Template:Did you know nominations/Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing

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... that a Liverpool taxi driver had to have his ear sewn back on after being caught in the blast of his passenger's improvised explosive device, in which the passenger was killed? Source: ^[1] (ear), ^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6] (everything else)
- ALT1: ... that a Liverpool taxi driver had to have his ear sewn back on after being caught in the blast of his passenger's IED in the Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing, while his passenger was killed? Source: Ditto.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1967 Fairmont State Falcons football team

Created by Serial Number 54129 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC).

- Article is new enough, very newsworthy event and hence well-sourced, no copyvios (Earwig reports a false positive on the Johnson quotation), QPQ done. However, without a source saying the taxi driver is comfortable to talk about his ear, I'm concerned the hook may not fit the spirit of "Consider very carefully whether the hook puts undue emphasis on a negative aspect of a living individual. Err on the side of caution, and when in doubt, suggest an ALT hook." Could we go with something else? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  - He's a scouser. He'll fucking love it, they'll be feting him in the pubs and clubs of New Brighton as we speak. The point here is to get this lesser-known heroic guy the DYK, not focus on the scuzzball that started it, you know. I mean, something like Did you know that a bomb has just gone off outside a Liverpool hospital is so anodyne it defeats the object of DYK. People want to hear about this guy, not the perp or the police. By the way, as the philosopher Milton Jones once asked on a connected subject, "If an Earl gets an OBE, does he become an Earlobe?" :) ——Serial 20:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
    - How about ALT2 : ... that the taxi driver injured in the Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing was commended by the Mayor of Liverpool and the Prime Minister for his bravery? ("Prime Minister Boris Johnson has praised Mr Perry's actions. .... The city's mayor Joanne Anderson said the taxi driver's "heroic efforts" averted what could have been an "awful disaster" on Remembrance Sunday." [1]) Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
    - He doesn't need Johnson's validation? And I refuse to be a party to getting that wanker on the front page more than he already has to be. What about him (the taxi driver) locking the bloke in the car before scaparing? (PS, I respect your views: all of them.) ——Serial 20:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
      - I think that should work, if you can think of something hooky enough. (As for Johnson, if you can find enough good sources to write 1,500 prose-bytes about Ben Comeau we can do something with this on the main page). Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
        From a BLP perspective, I'd like to see us steer well clear of the Mayor's remarks (allegations?). They may be right, or wrong, and any heroic actions may be justified and deliberate or not, but these remarks are based on unconfirmed information and definitely serious enough for us to not flaunt them. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think 'ear sewn back on' is well enough supported by the sources to lead with it, it's basically attributed to 'a man' on Facebook, in fact I'm not sure it should be in the article. Nor do I think even if it is verified, that this is anything like the most important part of the event. JeffUK (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  - I'm just going to submit for the record that if you think our role at DYK is to highlight the main points of events and people, that we have failed each other as performer and audience in a spectacular manner. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 06:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm suggesting this ALT3, to focus on something positive instead of dwelling on horrors, and to be more "hooky" -- it makes you want to read the article to know what he did to be commended.
  - ALT3 ... that the taxi driver in the Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing was later commended for "incredible presence of mind and bravery"? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
    - Pinging reviewer Ritchie333 to check ALT3. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
      - New reviewer needed to check ALT3, since Ritchie333 doesn't seem to be available. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
        It's not that interesting but since it also gives no context to the taxi driver, it could hook people in. I don't know how he was "commendably brave" (opening line literally says he ran away) but the Response sources do say that and so did the PM (both presumably trying to make a positive story), we can let other people be disappointed, too. I would twistily suggest combining the incident part and current hook to say "...that after he ran away from the LWH bombing, a taxi driver was commended as a hero", which is even more WTF, but that kind of paints the driver negatively when he doesn't seem to have claimed the title himself. Kingsif (talk) 04:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
        Kingsif Serial Number 54129 There is a clarification needed tag in the article. SL93 (talk) 02:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
        I have removed the information and the tag (I'm not sure the tag was necessary in the first place, to be honest). Sdrqaz (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)