Template:Did you know nominations/Lazar the Serb

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The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC).

Lazar the Serb (clockmaker)

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... that this hour-marker is called an hour-measure; each hour a hammer strikes the bell, measuring and counting the hours of the night and of the day ... No man strikes it, but it is somehow wondrous strangely fashioned to look like a man and sound and move of itself, by man's cunning, with great invention and cleverness ...?

Reviewed: Sanjak of Kruševac
Comment: the quote is from a description of the innovative clock made by Lazar the Serb

5x expanded by Zoupan (talk). Self nominated at 14:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC).

ALT1: ... that this hour-marker is called an hour-measure; each hour a hammer strikes the bell, measuring and counting the hours of the night and of the day ... No man strikes it, but it is somehow wondrous strangely fashioned to look like a man and sound and move of itself, by man's cunning, with great invention and cleverness ...?--Zoupan 14:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Lazar the Serb invented the first known mechanical, public clock, which also struck hours, in Russia?--Zoupan 14:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

~~Nominator's comment: I would personally like the quote to be used, as it is a fascinating description which will certainly attract readers.~~--Zoupan 14:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that a Serbian monk named Lazar built the first mechanical clock in Russia in 1404, one of the first in Europe, at the request of Vasily I of Moscow (Lazar showing Vasily the clock pictured)? --Zoupan 21:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

While "no man strikes" the bell, I've struck the first two hooks, which were well over 300 characters long, way over the limit of 200. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

/ - I was able to verify the gist on the fact via the English source; exact details accepted in good faith from the non-English sources. 5x expansion and general compliance with policy has been confirmed. Constructions such as ALT2 are ambiguous due to the commas necessary to offset "which also struck hours". That is, the sentence can be read as "first clock in the world, which happens to be in Russia" or the intended "first in Russia". I have fixed this ambiguity in the article. The aside in ALT2 can be dropped:
ALT4: ... that Lazar the Serb invented and built the first known mechanical, public clock in Russia (pictured)?

or ALT3 can be used. Either is good to go. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

The page was moved to Lazar the Serb, which I support (a hatnote links to Lazar of Serbia). Added (pictured) to ALT4.--Zoupan 03:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)