Template:Did you know nominations/ICJ judges election, 2011

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

ICJ judges election, 2011

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... that in the election of judges this month to the International Court of Justice, a successful candidate needs 97 votes in the UN General Assembly and 8 votes in the UN Security Council?

ALT1:... that the UN General Assembly and the UN Security Council are stalemated over the election of judges this month to the International Court of Justice, with the GA supporting Julia Sebutinde of Uganda and the SC favouring Abdul Koroma of Sierra Leone?

Created by Mathew5000 (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The article passes the length and newness criteria. There are nonetheless some difficulties with DYK for it. The election has now occurred, so the article itself needs to be updated, incorporating references to secondary sources that discuss the election and its significance. Presuming that there are good secondary sources, I'd support DYK, but a new hook based on the actual outcome will also be needed. Easchiff (talk) 10:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
- Mathew5000 was notified on 16 November, 5 days ago, but hasn't edited since 14 November. Suggest this is closed unless there is any reaction from him within the next day or so. Bencherlite^Talk 11:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
  - The election is supposed to continue today (Nov. 22) at 3pm in New York. This should result in a more interesting hook. Mathew5000 (talk) 08:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
    - Voting resumed on November 22 but is still not complete as the two organs are deadlocked (with the successful candidate needing absolute majorities of both organs). Mathew5000 (talk) 01:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
      - It should make a good story when the dust settles. Easchiff (talk) 02:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

It's high time to move forward on this. It's very possible to create a good hook that cannot be rendered inaccurate by upcoming events:

ALT2 ... that four judges were chosen in the first day of the 2011 election of judges to the International Court of Justice, but the UN General Assembly and Security Council deadlocked on the fifth judge?

The ALT2 hook is in the article and is supported by sources. Article date and length are fine. However, I find that much of the article is a direct copy of this UN document. Also, the "Background" section of the article has several paragraphs without inline citations, and the article describes some events in the future tense that are now in the past. These things need to be fixed. --Orlady (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I like the ALT2 hook. The section of the article on election procedure does track quite closely the UN document referenced in the article, but the document is in the public domain per Administrative Instruction ST/AI/189/Add.9/Rev.2 (see Wikipedia:Public domain#Works of the United Nations). —Mathew5000 (talk) 06:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah... When public domain content is used extensively, WP:Plagiarism indicates that the article should be annotated. Templates for this purpose are in Category:Attribution templates. I don't see a template for UN content, so Template:Source attribution might be the best bet (unless you are in the mood for contributing a new template). Also please take a look at the future-tense verbs.... --Orlady (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't object to using the source-attribution template although in these circumstances I believe it is not necessary. Given the amount of detail about precise legal rules of procedure, it is important to stick closely to the wording of the original so as not to distort the meaning. Inline citations after each paragraph are thus sufficient. That said, the section on procedure is probably not ideal; that amount of detail really belongs in an article on ICJ judges elections in general, not one on the 2011 election in particular. These elections have been held every three years since 1945-46; I probably should have started with articles on earlier elections like 2005 and 2008 that are already completed, rather than the 2011 election as it is in progress. (My model for the article was ICC judges election, 2011.) —Mathew5000 (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for making those changes. I consider this one to be "good to go." The ALT2 hook is preferred because future events can't cause it to become untrue. --Orlady (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The article and hook look very good to me also. Easchiff (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)