Template:Did you know nominations/I'll Have Another

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The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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... that the Canadian-owned racehorse I'll Have Another, the first horse out of post number 19 to win the Kentucky Derby, won in 2012 with a jockey with no previous Derby experience?

Comment: There may be more authors who also deserve the {DYKmake} credit. --PFHLai (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Comment2: ~~Let's not use this hook on MainPage till after 2012 Kentucky Derby gets off ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2012 (UTC)~~ Left ITN many days ago... -PFHLai (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Created/expanded by Scott Sanchez (talk), Tigerboy1966 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 19:37, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Article is new enough and long enough. Hook is supported with inline references. Image license is ok. Only issue with the article is that the first paragraph of the "Racing career" section is unreferenced. Also, I think the hook can be improved. The "the first horse out of post number 19 to win" bit does not sound significant or interesting enough to me to warrant a mention in the hook, and I feel the jockey should be mentioned or at least linked to. How about alt1:
ALT1 ... that the Canadian-owned racehorse I'll Have Another (pictured) won the 2012 Kentucky Derby with a jockey who had no previous Derby experience?

--Zanhe (talk) 00:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy with ALT1. --PFHLai (talk) 05:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the refs so quickly. On a closer look, I realized that the ref in the Pedigree section does not actually say anything about I'll Have Another. Can you provide another source to support that section? --Zanhe (talk) 05:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Added pedigree chart reference. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 13:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the ref, which definitely verifies the pedigree info. However, the chart in the article now closely resembles the one from the source. But on the other hand, this representation is clearly the most logical one. I'm not sure if the close paraphrasing rule applies to the chart, so I'm requesting a second opinion from other reviewers who have experience with this kind of issue. -Zanhe (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... it's a template used in many, many horse articles. Basically it's a table of one's ancestry presented in a standard format. --PFHLai (talk) 10:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

While close to the source, the Wiki version only does 4 generations back not 5 as in the source. The format is basically repeated on other horse racing sites [1]. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 16:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC) If this format is unacceptable, we can switch to the pedigree chart design used by WP:EQUINE. Such as the one used in the featured article on Lightning Bar. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 14:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

We might have to hold for ITN again since the horse just won the Preakness. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 00:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

As the ITN proposal looks likely to be rejected, how about we do a news update in the DYK instead?

ALT2 ... that the Canadian-owned racehorse I'll Have Another (pictured) won both the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness Stakes in 2012 with jockey Mario Gutierrez?

-Zanhe (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Near-zero chance that the Preakness win will make ITN. I still like the "no previous experience" element of the hook, although it does need to include both races. The name of the jockey is not interesting, but the lack of previous experience in the big races is. --Orlady (talk) 01:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Earlier concerns regarding the article seem to be resolved. Let's run this soon -- before he either does or doesn't win the Triple Crown. I suggest the following hook:

ALT3 ... that racehorse I'll Have Another (pictured) won the 2012 Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes with a jockey who had no prior experience in either race? --Orlady (talk) 01:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)