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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 03:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Kate Dover, Thomas Skinner (etcher), Crown vs Kate Dover

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  • ... that Kate Dover killed Thomas Skinner by arsenic poisoning? "The poisoning case at Sheffield, sentence on Kate Dover". The Dundee Advertiser. Dundee. 10 February 1882. p. 10 col7. Retrieved 13 July 2019 – via British Newspaper Archive.

Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC).

  • I came here to review the hooks (with a preference for ALT1, as ALT0 is not as eyecatching), but reading through Dover's article, it's almost entirely about the crime and her trial, and only a few short paragraphs about her personal life (in contrast to Skinner's article, which seems to be a lot more thorough on the rest of his life). Could this be addressed? In addition, the section headings "The perpetrator, Kate Dover" and "The victim, Thomas Skinner" among others seem to be non-standard. Could this be addressed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for the heads up on those problems. I agree, and have changed section headings and moved page as you requested. Please let me know if you find any further problems. I have also corrected the link in both ALTs. Storye book (talk) 07:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I have had a re-think about whether this should be a biography or not, and what a biography of this woman should consist of, and why it should be different from Thomas Skinner's biography. I created the article in response to the Women in Red project, bearing in mind that not all notable women's biographies can consist of lists of worthy achievements. The value of Kate Dover's trial is not ultimately the schadenfreude of seeing the man who hit her get poisoned, or of seeing the poisoner imprisoned for life with hard labour. The value of the trial in this article is the extraordinary view, that the reporters' obsession with Kate Dover gives us, of the complexity of her character, and of the multiple 19th-century social influences which bore on her life. This girl had it all - youth, looks, a surprising standard of literacy for her position at that time, and artistic skill. But at the same time she had clear fatal flaws and disadvantages (one being her perjuring, helicopter mother) - all laid out for us to see in the reportage of her trial. What really worries me is when I look at the article's infobox, which should really be changed to one suitable for the trial (if there is one) or none at all. And will I then have to remove most of Kate's background biographical material because it doesn't fit the new article title. One of the main reasons why historical articles about women are so much in the minority on WP is that in the past women's lives were mostly unreported, unrecorded and therefore not seen by us, so that biographies of men like Skinner appear more valid on WP today, and criminal women fade into nothing until their trial becomes the subject, and not them. The trial gave us an opportunity to see Kate Dover's character clearly. I'm not sure where to go from here, though one thing I'm sure of is that the full details of Kate Dover and her life should be preserved here. 08:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @ Admin. My apologies for the inconvenience - the template-name will have to be adjusted again, this time for three articles. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: I have just realised that this is now a triple nom, so it needs a third QPQ. I have added it (see above). Storye book (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the edits. Due to limited time, I will be unable to continue reviewing this nomination, so I will leave the rest to Mary Mark Ockerbloom or another editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Full review needed from new reviewer. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Note to new reviewer. The articlesThomas Skinner (etcher), and Crown vs Kate Dover are ready for review. However the Kate Dover article has been the subject of a determined negative focus by a single editor. I am happy to improve the article to WP standards, but it has been impossible to work on the article in mainspace in those circumstances. Therefore I have temporarily userfied a copy of the Kate Dover article so that I can work on it properly. In a week or two I hope to be able to replace the current form of the article with a better one, in a single edit. Please see the article's history and its talk page for further information. I shall post here when Kate Dover is ready for review. Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 08:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Update. I have now updated the Kate Dover article, and in my opinion all three articles are now ready for review. for further information on that situation, please read my previous "note to new reviewer" above, and the talkpage of the Kate Dover article. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  • These three substantial articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Three QPQs have been done. Of the two proposed hooks, I prefer ALT3, but have changed the piped link. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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