Template:Did you know nominations/Eliza Wigham

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Eliza Wigham, Priscilla Bright McLaren, Jane Wigham

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• Eliza Wigham
• Priscilla Bright McLaren
• Jane Wigham
• Edinburgh Ladies' Emancipation Society

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• ... that Eliza Wigham and Jane Smeal are credited with keeping the Edinburgh Ladies' Emancipation Society (logo pictured), which was led by Priscilla Bright McLaren, going until 1870?

• Reviewed: I will find two ...um three .... um four which are : Template:Did you know nominations/Lady Kane, Template:Did you know nominations/Keqrops, Template:Did you know nominations/Mutton curry and Template:Did you know nominations/Lu Xun Park (Shanghai).
• Comment: two new authors created these articles so don't bite, but do help. If Jane can be lengthened as well then this can be a triple. OK its now a triple. Victuallers (talk) 20:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Created by Woodey7 and Historyhunter1 (talk), Brunettekoala (talk), Victuallers (talk), Lirazelf and Vanessah1978 (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 23:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC).

• (alt2) ... that Edinburgh's "forgotten heroines" were Eliza Wigham, Jane Smeal, Priscilla Bright McLaren and Elizabeth Pease who helped the Edinburgh Ladies' Emancipation Society (logo pictured) fund American slaves escaping down the Underground Railroad?

Temporary Problem spotted with hook - give me 48 hours please Victuallers (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC) better now? Victuallers (talk) 15:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Its OK to approve one, two or three hooks and leave the rest for another reviewer. Victuallers (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

• Full reviews needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Rosiestep: and I are giving a talk at Wikimania on the 19th about the gender gap (and DYK). It would be good if this was on the main page. Help appreciated. Thanks. Victuallers (talk) 08:55, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Age, length, QPQ, neutrality are OK. I don't like the hooks: the original skirts on the edge of reasonable inference from the source, and the ALT is a bit rambling and unfocused; they will do at a pinch. Pic is OK, though some of the severe ladies in bonnets would do just as well. Main sticking point is some very close lifts from the sources in at least Eliza Wigham (if somebody reminds me where the super copyvio tool is I will run it). It would be nice if they could be buffed a little more before they hit the main page (not a DYK criterion, but I hate to see nearly good articles stay nearly good). I've copy-edited three of them, but the writing style in Eliza Wigham is so different to mine that I would end up rewriting it completely and probably pissing off the original author. Belle (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@Belle: - thanks for the review, @Lirazelf: has given the article a thorough polish which should also dissipate any copying issues. I'm hoping the copying is due to newbies who may not appreciate how seriously we take close paraphrasing. The other image is available, but I was intrigued by the image as the usual one reinforces the idea that slaves were male - but maybe others have seen this image too. I havent looked in detail but Lirazelf seems to have polished most bits. Victuallers (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• (alt2) ... that Edinburgh's "forgotten heroines", Eliza Wigham, Jane Smeal, Priscilla Bright McLaren and Elizabeth Pease, were associated with the Edinburgh Ladies' Emancipation Society (logo pictured)?
• (alt2) ... that Eliza Wigham, Jane Smeal and Priscilla Bright McLaren helped the Edinburgh Ladies' Emancipation Society (logo pictured) fund American slaves escaping down the Underground Railroad?

two alts offered Victuallers (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Can't check all the sources, but now there is no obvious copyvio or plagiarism in any of the articles. All the other criteria check out per my earlier review. I'd use ALT3. (@Victuallers:, I hope me reviewing this doesn't ruin your premise on the Gender Gap and DYK; if there's any problem I can get a false beard and put on a deep voice. Belle (talk) Bill) Belle (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• Because of repetition of content between articles Jane is now too short - because of the time pressure it might be easiest to simply debold that article. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

  Count the repeated information in the Jane article rather than the others? Or does that make one of the others too short? I don't know how you work out the repeated material contribution; I'd probably need some punch cards to feed into the mouth of a DYK robot. It's a good thing it was pulled from prep anyway as I think Victuallers and Rosiestep wanted it up for next Tuesday. Belle (talk) 13:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• @Belle: @Nikkimaria: I agree, I have no idea how you count repeated text when it is in a large article like Elizabeth Pease and a smaller one like Jane Wigham. (I suspect this may encourage others to not copy useful text to surrounding articles as should be good practise.) Still AGF, I have added additional text to Jane as that did contain original text that has been duplicated in larger articles. We actually wanted this for Sunday the 19th if possible on a Mexican morning. Could you re-check please? (Do feel free to jettison anything that means we miss that date) Victuallers (talk) 15:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• With the additional text we are good to go, for the requested date if possible. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)