Template:Did you know nominations/Deadliest single days of World War I

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Deadliest single days of World War I

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• ... that one of the Deadliest single days of World War I was on August 22, 1914 when 27,000 French soldiers died?
  • ALT1:... that compared to March 21, 1918 when 10,841 German soldiers died, France had a deadlier single day of World War I when on August 22, 1914, 27,000 French soldiers died?

• Reviewed: Philip Caves

Created by Esemono (talk). Self-nominated at 04:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

• Hooks are sourced to "March 21, 1918 ... 10,851 Germans were killed outright ... On this one day, August 22, 1914, over 27,000 French died trying to stop German divisions from moving on Paris" [1] Further sourced in the list "27,000 French soldiers died ... It remains France’s highest ever death toll in a single day" [2]; German death toll offline (Middlebrook 2007, p. 312)

Comment: Shouldn't the dates be DMY, for a European topic? And where would (pictured) go? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

added DMY date ALTs. I didn't even think about the picture. Good point, please disregard the picture. -- Esemono (talk) 05:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

• ALT2 (DMY date)... that one of the Deadliest single days of World War I was on 22 August 1914 when 27,000 French soldiers died?
• ALT3 (DMY date)... that compared to 21 March 1918 when 10,841 German soldiers died, France had a deadlier single day of World War I when on 22 August 1914, 27,000 French soldiers died?

• Full review needed now that hook issues are set. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll give a full review when this issue is addressed, but I don't think any of the hooks are that "hooky" considering all hooks tend to focus on a number of deaths rather than a battle that lead to a high number of deaths. How about something like:

ALT4: ... that 22 August 1914, the date of the Battle of the Frontiers, was the deadliest single day of World War I?

Otherwise, I'm not seeing much other problems with the article itself, but a full review is to follow. Also, a suggestion: ALT0 and ALT2 lack question marks at the end. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I added question marks. What other issues? -- Esemono (talk) 13:55, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll make a full review tomorrow, but so far so good; I haven't really seen any noticeable problems with the article. But as I've proposed my own hook, it might be necessary for another user to review the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:41, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• So here's my review of the article. The article meets the length requirements, and was new enough when nominated. Statements are sourced to reliable sources. Article is stable, and images are properly licensed. All proposed hooks have citations. QPQ has been provided. I would pass this now, but as I proposed my own hook, I would let another user check which hook should be used. But other than that, the article is good for DYK, so all that's needed is an independent hook review. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:46, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed to check ALT4 hook and recommend which hook(s) are suitable/best for use. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• The ALT4 hook is a summary of appropriately referenced information in the lead of the article. Speaking as an amateur in the subject area, I think it is the most interesting hook (and most concise / easy to read), so pass for ALT4. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 19:08, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't understand how the hook fact, sourced to an article that says August 22, 2014 was the deadliest day of WWI for France, has turned into being the deadliest day of WWI, period. Do you have a source for that? Yoninah (talk) 20:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

• Are you referring to Lucas, 2017? It lists the "10 Deadliest Days on WWI’s Western Front" and has August 22, 1914 at #1 on the list. I thought that was explicit enough. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 21:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

• But ALT4 is calling it the deadliest day of WWI, without specifying the Western Front. Are you sure there's no other deadliest day? Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, right. Pinging @Esemono and Narutolovehinata5. Perhaps we need to soften it to "the deadliest single day in French military history" ([3]) or "the deadliest single day on the Western Front in WWI". — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 21:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

• Softening with ALT5--Esemono (talk) 23:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
• ALT5 ... that 22 August 1914, the date of the Battle of the Frontiers, was the deadliest single day on the Western Front in World War I?
• ALT6 ... that 22 August 1914, the date of the Battle of the Frontiers, was the deadliest single day on WWI's Western Front?

As long as there's an emphasis on 22 August 1914 as being the deadliest single day (somewhere) instead of a like in the original hooks, I'm fine. The reason I said of World War I instead of just the Western Front is because the article didn't mention any other single days with higher numbers, so I (mistakenly) believed it was the highest for all of World War I instead of just the Western Front. I apologize for my mistake. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

It's also my fault as I should have picked it up in the review, so sorry about that. ALT5 looks good to me. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 17:08, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

• ALT7:... that during World War I on March 21, 1918, 10,841 German soldiers died but that on August 22, 1914 France had a much deadlier single day?

• sourced to "March 21, 1918 ... 10,851 Germans were killed outright ... On this one day, August 22, 1914, over 27,000 French died trying to stop German divisions from moving on Paris" [4] Further sourced "27,000 French soldiers died ... It remains France’s highest ever death toll in a single day" [5]; German death toll offline (Middlebrook 2007, p. 312)-- Esemono (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• Esemono there are so many numbers in ALT7 that it's hard to follow. Yoninah (talk) 17:20, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• Agreed - I think the simpler ALT5 is better. Interested readers will visit the article, where they can see the numbers and dates. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 20:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
• @Yoninah: What about ALT5 or ALT6? Esemono (talk) 23:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, ALT5 works great. I spelled out "World War I" in the hook. ALT5 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Narutolovehinata5. ALT5 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:58, 19 December 2017 (UTC)