Template:Did you know nominations/David Raymond
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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David Raymond, Jonathan Stoklosa, Cheryl Hamilton, Kevin Tresolini, Eric Cannon, Gary Chelosky, Marcy Levine, Caitlin Van Sickle, Cliff Brumbaugh
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Jonathan Stoklosa with then-U.S. vice president Joe Biden
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that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who can lift up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned one of the world's best gymnastics judges, Delaware's "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?Source: see all the respective articles- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grave with the Hands; Template:Did you know nominations/National Women's Basketball Association; Template:Did you know nominations/Iona Allen; Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Golz (2/3); Template:Did you know nominations/New England Revolution in international competition; Template:Did you know nominations/Ukraina, North Dakota (2/2); Template:Did you know nominations/List of presidents of Centre College; Template:Did you know nominations/Chesterfield Market
- Comment: Trying my craziest DYK nomination ever! Have been working on all the inductees for this year, only just realized that it'd probably be an awesome mega-hook (there has been precedent for similar things in the past; see Wikipedia:Did you know/Multiple Article Hook Hall of Fame).
Note that two do not yet qualify (Van Sickle, Brumbaugh - why I haven't bolded yet), as I still need to 5x expand them, but I needed to make the nomination now so the oldest one (Raymond) would still be eligible.I also have a date request if this goes through: the hall of fame is inducting the mentioned sportspeople on May 23 this year. I think it would be really neat if this could be scheduled for then. Thanks!
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 152 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing.
- Despite what the bot/tool says, you owe 10 QPQs as you seem to already be aware.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for offering to review – just note that
Van Sickle andBrumbaugh are not yet ready – I'll make sure to 5x them within the next three days (nominated now so as to not exhaust 7-day eligibility of Raymond). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)- Gotcha. Well done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for offering to review – just note that
- I forgot to say let me know when all the articles are ready for evaluation.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- 5x expanded Caitlin Van Sickle (calculated it needed to be 7,725+ – currently ~8,200). Just Brumbaugh left to do. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Expanding Brumbaugh is taking longer than I thought, but I'm almost certain I can have it done by the end of tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Was able to finish Brumbaugh tonight. Needed to be 10,725, now is at ~13,000 bytes. @TonyTheTiger: All the articles are ready for review now. (Still have to do the QPQs, of course). Also, tell me your thoughts of the date request I mentioned? Thanks! BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Collapsing individual article reviews as everything was addressed. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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- The date request window is 6 weeks, I believe. So you can only request dates within 6 weeks of the date that you nominate a hook. You can read further about special occaision requests at WP:DYKSO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Crap! I was never aware of that! And just two weeks off. Is it possible to IAR, something? One of the main reasons I nominated this was in hope that it could be set for that date... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says
exceptions to the six-week limit can be implemented by way of a local consensus at WT:DYK.
I'll open a discussion about it once the reviewing is done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says
- Crap! I was never aware of that! And just two weeks off. Is it possible to IAR, something? One of the main reasons I nominated this was in hope that it could be set for that date... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The date request window is 6 weeks, I believe. So you can only request dates within 6 weeks of the date that you nominate a hook. You can read further about special occaision requests at WP:DYKSO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Your hook is generally confirmed with all facts cited properly. Please tweak it per my suggestions and propose new ALTs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review - will make sure to get to everything soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- All articles are well-cited.
- All articles are generally neutral.
- A few articles need better paraphrasing. Some elements of the hook need to be more concise. I have also made some cleanup suggestions surrounding infobox improvement possibilities.
- QPQs pending.
- Can someone with the perms switch the image to this high-quality version found here? I don't have the permissions. Bremps... 06:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: I believe I've addressed each of your comments about the quality of the articles. I also completed all 10 QPQs. Let me know if there's any other issues. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: In case you didn't get the previous ping. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- QPQs look good although you have not signed off on my third article yet.
- Where is the latest hook?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: Responded to Brumbaugh; you said for Cannon the medals thing was something for outside of DYK, so I hope you'll be alright if I just make that a task for later?; as for the ALTs, here appear to be the possibilities:
- ALT3 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT4 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT5 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT6 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: Responded to Brumbaugh; you said for Cannon the medals thing was something for outside of DYK, so I hope you'll be alright if I just make that a task for later?; as for the ALTs, here appear to be the possibilities:
- First, the image file is properly PD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
I'll leave it to the promoter to decide between the various tweaks. I would prefer the shortest just because of the overall length of the hook, but the promoter is free to make the final choice. I remain intrigued and await further detail on Cannon as time permits. Nothing is necessary now though, but keep in mind when this goes on the main page, it may be the most pageviews that any of these pages ever receives. You may want to put everything you can into it before the main page run to get feedback from all those eyeballs. Everything is in order for a DYK run. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks for the reviews. I'm going to open a discussion about getting this featured on the requested date, as mentioned at the DYK guidelines. So to anyone looking at this: don't promote yet! BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Follow-up: the consensus was in favor of allowing the special occasion request, so this can be promoted for the requested date when the appropriate prep becomes available sometime in the next few days. (Promoter: please be sure to add a comment to the hook in prep so people know it's a special occasion request and don't try to move it to another date. Thanks.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- At 471 prose characters, I think even ALT6 can be made more brief; it's currently the length of three long hooks. While I'm admittedly not sure of reducing "professional" to "pro" in Brumbaugh (though "five" to "5" is standard at DYK), the Stoklosa "someone" can certain be "a man", and "turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge" in Hamilton can easily be "turned Olympics judge"; I've also removed "U.S." from Levine, since she wasn't the U.S. Champion but she won an event in a national collegiate championship, taking it down to 438:
- ALT7: ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include a man with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympics judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a pro baseball player in 5 countries? —BlueMoonset (talk) 05:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- At 471 prose characters, I think even ALT6 can be made more brief; it's currently the length of three long hooks. While I'm admittedly not sure of reducing "professional" to "pro" in Brumbaugh (though "five" to "5" is standard at DYK), the Stoklosa "someone" can certain be "a man", and "turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge" in Hamilton can easily be "turned Olympics judge"; I've also removed "U.S." from Levine, since she wasn't the U.S. Champion but she won an event in a national collegiate championship, taking it down to 438:
- Follow-up: the consensus was in favor of allowing the special occasion request, so this can be promoted for the requested date when the appropriate prep becomes available sometime in the next few days. (Promoter: please be sure to add a comment to the hook in prep so people know it's a special occasion request and don't try to move it to another date. Thanks.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks for the reviews. I'm going to open a discussion about getting this featured on the requested date, as mentioned at the DYK guidelines. So to anyone looking at this: don't promote yet! BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
