Template:Did you know nominations/Cut Like Wound
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 18:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Cut Like Wound
[edit]... that the fictional story in Cut Like Wound begins on the first evening of Ramzan on 1 August 2012 and ends about a month later in September on St Mary's Feast?
Created by Lahariyaniyathi (talk), Titodutta (talk), and Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 18:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC).
First off, dull hook. All stories, whether they are fictional or not
, begin and end at some point. This fact is not remarkable. If that choice of dates is, then the article should explain this. If not, then we need a new hook, and frankly I'm not seeing one from what's there.Furthermore the prose needs to be cleaned up a bit. There seems to have been a serious shortage of commas where this was written, for one thing. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKSG#C6,
If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.
This one really doesn't, so I've struck it; a new hook is definitely needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case:. Thanks for the review. I hope my copy editing is adequate. I am now suggesting thia
- ALT1 hook
... that according to a review, Cut Like Wound is a "messy mash of characters and styles"?Nvvchar. 13:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
OK now. It's not the best hook—I really hate review blurbs—but it's been nominated long enough and we ought to get it on the main page. Daniel Case (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Daniel, however I changed the hook at it read as if she had given her own book a poor review Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- ALT1 hook
- Per WP:DYKSG#C6,
- Removed from prep due to this discussion at WP:ERRORS, which noted that the hook (a slightly edited version of ALT1 above) would have to be pulled if promoted. Issues included the fact that the negative review was not representative of the overall reviews of the book (which was by a living author), and was furthermore written by someone who is not even a professional reviewer. A new hook is needed, one that will survive on the main page. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Anita Nair's detective novel Cut Like Wound has been described as "a commentary on the lives of the sexually marginalised"? Gatoclass (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Much better. However, the article's prose is terrible, grammar and punctuation errors everywhere. I'll see what I can do with that. Black Kite (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK, hopefully the article is at least literate now. How on earth did it get promoted in that state? Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Review needed of ALT2 and in general; for example, I don't see that the original review mentioned neutrality and close paraphrase checks, or referencing in general. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- With prose as sloppy as it was at first, I didn't think we needed to worry about close paraphrasing.
To be honest someone really needs to dig into this more and see if we can find some genuinely interesting and unusual fact about this book.
If we are going to let nominations linger as long this one did before someone reviews it, we ought not to be so critical of those people who do try to help DYK out by reviewing the ones no one else seems to want to touch. Daniel Case (talk) 02:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have been asked to complete this review by the reviewer of my nomination of Murder of Shao Tong. ALT2 checks out. But in the process of reviewing it I found an even better hook at the same source it uses (see the photo cutline):
- ALT3: ... that Cut Like Wound is Indian novelist Anita Nair's first work of detective fiction?
- Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- Nvvchar, if you like the idea of ALT3, then the necessary text and reference will need to be added to the article, since it isn't there at present. Without that, it's ineligible. Please let us know what you intend to do here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:. Thanks. I have now added additional text which substantiates the ALT3 hook.Nvvchar. 06:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to check ALT3 to make sure it's properly supported in article and sourcing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:44, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
