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Good articleZari (song) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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December 4, 2024Good article nomineeListed

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Nominator: Nascar9919 (talk · contribs) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 17:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a. (reference section):
    b. (citations to reliable sources):
    c. (OR):
    d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a. (major aspects):
    b. (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
    b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I'll get on with this today! --K. Peake 17:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

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  • Ref is not needed when the songwriters are sourced in the prose
  • Mention in the opening sentence it is from her her debut extended play, P.O.P. (2024)
  • "It was co-written by" → "The song was co-written by" and shouldn't you mention how many producers there was too?
  • "and released on" → "It was released on" as a new sentence and change to simply reading "from the EP" as this should have already been introduced earlier on
  • Add a sentence at the end of the first paragraph mentioning how the song was created from selecting a few snippets from the 200 submissions
  • "to tell the "real characteristics"" – the quote is not sourced at all, so re-word to something like "to against the stereotypes" per the body
  • "The song was met with a" → "The song received a"
  • "it peaked within the top ten" → "the song peaked within the top 10" per MOS:NUM

Background and composition

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  • Add a second sentence sourcing the producers because there are the infobox but not written out at all in the body as they should be
  • Wiwibloggs should not be italicised
  • "with the die" → "with the refrain"

Music video

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  • "an accompanying music video was" → "a music video was" with the wikilink
  • "an Australian tourist[14] while" → "an Australian tourist,[14] while"
  • "with the tourist presented in the video representing" → "with the tourist presented representing"
  • "stating that "my dream" → "expressing "my dream"
  • I do not think Overthinking It is a reliable source – appears this is a fiction podcast from their website
  • I personally disagree with this; the video itself tries to use supporting interviews given out by Satti (along with translations) and news articles to help give out a pretty thorough analysis of the song. The website themself says that all they try to do is try to analyze popular culture. They've also done other analyses on other Eurovision songs that what I feel to be in pretty in-depth and well researched. Feel free to let me know your further thoughts. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 22:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

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Greek media and personalities

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  • I think the first quote can be re-worded after the "didn't send a song" part to mention something like how it lacked clear rhythms and a trap genre or any other genre
  • Put Dimitris Rigopoulos' quote into your own words from "something that they seem" onwards
  • Not sure about Matt Wrather usage since he is from Overthinking It
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  • Wiwibloggs should not be italicised or linked
  • ESC Bubble should not be italicised
  • "rated the song tenth out" → "rated the song 10th out" per MOS:NUM, although this is the 11th place unless I'm missing something here?
  • "this year" but also" → "this year", but also"
  • ESC Beat should not be italicised
  • "in some cases."" → "in some cases"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • ESC Insight should not be italicised
  • "23rd overall" → should be introduced as among the Eurovision songs since this is a new para and put more of this into your own words
  • "in their ten favourites" → "in her ten favourites"

Eurovision Song Contest

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Internal selection

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At Eurovision

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  • The source does not mention the Malmo Arena, only the city itself
  • ESC Insight should not be italicised
  • "on 11 May." → "on 11 May 2024."
  • "never plays an actually important role" is this the correct quote since the source does not display or is my translator faulty? Either way, cite the ref at the end of this sentence since it uses a direct quote
  • Same as above for the "as if" quote
  • "she finished in" → "Satti finished in"
  • "final was good."" → "final was good"." per MOS:QUOTE

Commercial performance

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  • "It peaked on" → "The song peaked on"
  • Shouldn't you identify as the Billboard Greece Songs chart?
  • "also received Diamond certification" → "also received a diamond streaming certification" yet this is not sourced by the archive
  • "the top ten" → "the top 10" per MOS:NUM, however I would suggest changing this to number eight and the Lithuania position to number 20 since these are the only two top 20 positions in prose so are fine to be written out exactly

Track listings

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  • The length of the live from Peristeri version is sourced as 3:14

Charts

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  • Greece Local position is not backed up by the source
  • Hmm. That's weird. I looked at the chart source, and half of it is in complete gibberish; and all the ones that weren't had English names or titles. I wasn't the one to add it. My guess is that somewhere along the line, WebArchive screwed up the Greek name. I looked at the current week for the Greece Local charts and it wasn't in gibberish. My best assumption is that it was added before the archive link was added with Zari at the top. Then, it got screwed up. Maybe ask CeolAnGhra (the one who added it) on what they can do? I'm not the one who adds charts and certifications. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Certifications

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  • The certification is not backed up by the source
  • See chart comment above. I don't know what to do other than remove it. If you want it removed, that's fine by me; but I think they were added in a factual manner. Shame WebArchive screwed the names up. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Release history

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  • The regions being set as various need multiple citations to back this up

References

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  • Copyvio score looks strong at 20%!!!
  • Refs 1 and 29 should cite Eurovision Fun as publisher instead
  • Was a little confused at this at first, then I remembered I deleted ref 1. For future references, all changes requested have been moved up a number. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite Eurovision World as publisher instead on ref 2
  • Ditto on ref 5 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
  • Cite Wiwibloggs as publisher instead on refs 6, 7, 8, 9, 21, 28, 32, 38 and 39
  • Cite Eurovoix as publisher instead on refs 10 and 11
  • Cite Aussievision as publisher instead on refs 14 and 52
  • Remove or replace ref 15 since Overthinking It does not strike me as reliable
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 16, 18 and 40
  • Fix MOS:QWQ, MOS:CAPS issues, remove the author and cite Wiwibloggs on ref 20
  • Cite ESC Bubble as publisher instead on ref 22
  • Cite ESC Beat as publisher instead on refs 23 and 36
  • Cite ESC Insight as publisher instead on ref 24
  • Fix MOS:CAPS issues and cite Eurovision Fun as publisher on ref 27
  • Cite ESCplus España as publisher instead on refs 30 and 33
  • Remove Eurovision Song Contest from refs 31 and 44
  • Cite Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation as publisher instead on refs 34 and 35
  • Cite Apple Music as publisher instead on refs 53 and 54
  • The primary sources should add various citations to back this up in numerous countries
  • All with the exception of the ESC website have been changed to publisher. As for the Overthinking It analysis ref, again, I have to disagree; they merely just analyze popular culture. They use interviews and articles to support their points in the video, and expand on said points extensively. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict

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  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, great work on this one! --K. Peake 15:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)a[reply]
    @Kyle Peake: Got around to everything. Made all requests with the exception of removing the Overthinking It analysis video. I just can't see a reason why to remove it. The video has videos and interviews with Satti and Greek media to support and expand points made in it. The site itself also just states that all they do is analyze pop culture. No English nor Greek site has the analysis that video has. Feel free to let me know your thoughts. Also, sorry about the charts.
    Thanks so much for taking this on! I greatly appreciate it. Sorry for the late responses, by the way; university finals are putting their strain on me haha. Hoping to do some more expansions and even reviews during my break. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 09:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nascar9919: It is fine about the response time, two days is still fine and I understand you became busy with university. Very detailed responses here, your effort is not going unrecognized! You still need to add a sentence mentioning in the lead that the song was created from a few snippets selected out of 200 submissions and fix MOS:QWQ as well as MOS:CAPS issues with refs, these are where "" are being used more than once in ref titles and unnecessary words are capitalised. --K. Peake 10:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kyle Peake: Whoops. Somehow it got removed from when I first made it. Anyways, it's re-added. Also, I believe I got around to all the ref formatting issues. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks again! :) Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 01:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nascar9919: The MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues are still prevalent – take ref 8 as an example of both in one reference – also I forgot, you should look under revision history to find the chart sources originally used. --K. Peake 08:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kyle Peake: Fixed the ref format to the best of my knowledge. As for the charts; I checked and all they used was just the current week's chart at that time. Then, it got archived with the glitched name. The unfortunate thing is that I don't think IFPI Greece has archives for its local chart. If I'm honest, I don't really know what I should do other than remove the chart source. Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kyle Peake: Hey again! Think I'm entering into a slight problem with an editor who seems to want to paint Satti in a more positive light and, in my opinion, ignoring WP:NPOV. I've been in a bit of a conflict with them since November if I remember correctly. At this point, despite correct translations, they're trying to remove sources. Figured I'd make you aware. Thanks! Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 18:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kyle Peake: Issue should be resolved. Refs to the best of my knowledge are fixed. If you want anything done with the charts, let me know. Otherwise, I think I'm done with the edits. Thanks again for taking this on! :) Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nascar9919 ✓ Pass now, great work on this and regarding the WP:NPOV dispute, you should try to take it up on their talk page to make sure it is clarified! --K. Peake 09:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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