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And what about adding the following article: http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_18941.shtml
Someone please verify this
I'm not a muslim, I merely have some basic understanding of islam, but I thought that in islamic shari'a law, in order to have a conviction for adultery or fornication, you needed to have 4 witnesses present in person at the scene at the time it's happening. I'll add this to the article once it's been verified. --Witchinghour 18:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
It was not the case here. Yes, that is true for adultery. ( i don't know about 2 witnesses or 4), they also have to be adults and in good mental health. But I don't think the conviction here was an adultery since they were both single and he was her fiance at the time, this is not considered illegal, they might have been in temporary marriage or "Sigheh" ( which nobody can verify it, I mean legally any two person can become "Sigheh" by reading some BS stuff by themselves) or even if they deny this there is nothing illegal, they are just forced to marry each other ( This is based on Shia't Islam which is practiced in Iran, I don't know about Shria's law of Sunni Islam).
The allegation here was on distribution of pornography which is considered as "corruption on earth" (fesad f’ il-arz), The guy who redistribute this would have been sentenced to death if proved.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roozbeh jolfa (talk • contribs)
- I'm not entirely sure how the Iranian legal system works, but distribution of porn didn't become "corruption" until recently, probably as a response to this case. In most legal systems, you can't retroactively make something a crime? But I don't know how it works there. Ford MF 18:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, wait I take that back. It's still not "corruption" until the Guardian Council affirms the Parliament's vote. So the death penalty for porn still has not gone into effect (although I'm betting it will, since the Parliament voted so overwhelmingly in its favor.) Ford MF 18:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's true, This was a new issue that had no legal explanation up to now, and because of this case the right wing Parliament passed a bill to consider distribution of porn as "corruption on earth" (fesad f’ il-arz) which has a death penalty but it was vetoed by Guardian Council as "too harsh".—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roozbeh jolfa (talk • contribs)
- Actually, wait I take that back. It's still not "corruption" until the Guardian Council affirms the Parliament's vote. So the death penalty for porn still has not gone into effect (although I'm betting it will, since the Parliament voted so overwhelmingly in its favor.) Ford MF 18:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have a link to an article about the Guardian Council's rejection? I've been trying to discover the fate of the bill, but haven't been able to find any info on the GC's ruling. Ford MF 20:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- I read it on BBC PERSIAN service, I don't know if there's an English report, I think only BBC Persian is still following the issue, This is the link[1] reporting Guardian Council's rejection for the death penalty. This is the latest development on this issue, first there was the investigation and discussion in Majlis of Iran which was triggered by Iranian sex tape scandal in parliament (Majlis) and judiciary[2] and Saeed Mortazavi himself was the head of investigation then 6 people were arrested [3] for the distribution of pornography in general ( for any porn or private parties films not only for this specific scandal). According to current law, for distribution of pornographic videos one would receive 74 lashes and some fines to be paid (In general any lashes can be bought if approved) so its more like fines. BUT According to this [[4]] for this case the spokesman for head of tehran's judicary told reportes that We have asked for death penalty for these individuals which was vetoed by Guardian Council [5].—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roozbeh jolfa (talk • contribs)
- Huh, interesting. Thanks for the heads up, even though I can't read a word of Farsi. Also please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Thanks. Ford MF 17:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- I read it on BBC PERSIAN service, I don't know if there's an English report, I think only BBC Persian is still following the issue, This is the link[1] reporting Guardian Council's rejection for the death penalty. This is the latest development on this issue, first there was the investigation and discussion in Majlis of Iran which was triggered by Iranian sex tape scandal in parliament (Majlis) and judiciary[2] and Saeed Mortazavi himself was the head of investigation then 6 people were arrested [3] for the distribution of pornography in general ( for any porn or private parties films not only for this specific scandal). According to current law, for distribution of pornographic videos one would receive 74 lashes and some fines to be paid (In general any lashes can be bought if approved) so its more like fines. BUT According to this [[4]] for this case the spokesman for head of tehran's judicary told reportes that We have asked for death penalty for these individuals which was vetoed by Guardian Council [5].—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roozbeh jolfa (talk • contribs)
Hello: Does anyone know what happened to this girl? Just curious...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.199.41 (talk • contribs)
she is in good health, and just appeared in the latest video clip[6] of Mohsen Namjoo—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roozbeh jolfa (talk • contribs) .
Plagerism?
Note the exact same text appears in: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/13/iran.porn.ap/index.html
Either the AP is plagerising wikipedia, or somebody's plagerising the AP....—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aloening (talk • contribs)
- Look at the edit history of the article. The similar text has been here for months. The CNN article was published today. So yeah, the guy clearly got his stuff from Wikipedia.
- I love when shit like this happens. Ford MF 02:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Requested move 5 December 2022
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Nardog (talk) 12:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Zar Amir Ebrahimi → Zar Amir-Ebrahimi – امیرابراهیمی is one word not two. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- How is she credited in films nowadays? We have to take that into consideration before renaming the page since she uses Zar Amir Ebrahimi on her social media, not "Zar Amir-Ebrahimi" (https://www.instagram.com/zaramirebrahimi/ - https://twitter.com/zar_amir).
- Even her agencies' websites use Zar Amir Ebrahimi.
- https://www.e-talenta.eu/members/profile/zar-amirebrahimi
- https://www.agencesartistiques.com/Fiche-Artiste/674063-zar-amir-ebrahimi.html
- And also the website of the Cannes Film Festival:
- https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/artist/zar-amir-ebrahimi
- Credited as "Zar Amir Ebrahimi" on the poster of Holy Spider:
- http://www.impawards.com/intl/misc/2022/holy_spider_ver2.html
- And on the poster of her upcoming French film Les Survivants:
- https://www.lescinemasaixois.com/films/les-survivants
- On the cover of French magazine Télérama in November 2022:
- https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck9DMc0yDMH/
- Most of the articles about her either in English or French use Zar Amir Ebrahimi.
- https://time.com/6224242/holy-spider-zar-amir-ebrahimi-iran-interview/
- https://www.pbs.org/video/why-actress-zar-amir-ebrahimi-fled-iran-vg1zxu/
- https://www.thewrap.com/holy-spider-ali-abbasi-zar-amir-ebrahimi-magazine-photos/
- https://www.lefigaro.fr/festival-de-cannes/cannes-l-iranienne-zar-amir-ebrahimi-remporte-le-prix-d-interpretation-feminine-20220528
- https://www.parismatch.com/Culture/Cinema/Zar-Amir-Ebrahimi-On-condamne-Cannes-d-avoir-recompense-une-actrice-que-l-on-voulait-rayer-de-la-terre-entiere-1817287
- https://www.vanityfair.fr/culture/article/zar-amir-ebrahimi-la-revanche-d-une-exilee
- https://www.elle.fr/Societe/Interviews/Zar-Amir-Ebrahimi-Ma-meilleure-amie-vient-d-etre-arretee-4064260
- https://www.gqmagazine.fr/pop-culture/article/zar-amir-ebrahimi-depuis-la-premiere-nuit-ou-j-ai-su-que-ma-vie-allait-etre-completement-detruite-je-savais-que-j-allais-faire-face-a-mon-plus-grand-role
- https://www.tf1info.fr/culture/video-cinema-zar-amir-ebrahimi-film-les-nuits-de-mashaad-prix-festival-de-cannes-2022-actrice-qui-a-fui-iran-a-cause-d-une-sextape-2226142.html
- https://apnews.com/article/iran-entertainment-europe-middle-east-9a6169029e06bcfd591bacdfff4a3c6a Zoolver (talk) 04:02, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- It is wrong anyways. When you read "Zar Amir Ebrahimi" you don't know if "Amir" is a part of the first name of middle name or last name. Like "Mohammad-Reza" or "Mohammadreza" by writing "Amir-Ebrahimi" it should be indicated that "Amir" is a part of the last name.
- There are a lot of faults in writing Persian words in English. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 23:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- That's not how it works here. We have to use the stage name she chose, not the name we think is right. If she doesn't use "Amir-Ebrahimi" in her own social media and film credits, we can't decide what name is right for her nor add an hyphen that she doesn't use. See WP:COMMONNAME. There's a note at the top of the article stating that "Amir Ebrahimi" is her surname. Zoolver (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Accepted: WP:COMMONNAME.
- I withdraw my request. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- That's not how it works here. We have to use the stage name she chose, not the name we think is right. If she doesn't use "Amir-Ebrahimi" in her own social media and film credits, we can't decide what name is right for her nor add an hyphen that she doesn't use. See WP:COMMONNAME. There's a note at the top of the article stating that "Amir Ebrahimi" is her surname. Zoolver (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Nardog (talk) 13:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Accepted: WP:COMMONNAME.
- I withdraw my request. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)