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Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2016

There is a line in the article "Although he has publicly disclaimed sectarianism in Islam,[12] he is regarded by some as an exponent of the Salafi ideology,[10][13] and, by some, as a radical[14] Islamic televangelist propagating Wahhabism." but the reference no [14] does not say that Zakir Naik is considered to be radical or extremist by some so please remove the line "and, by some, as a radical" and unlink "Islamic extremism" from "radical". I have no replacement for the text "and, by some, as a radical".

Ayberk Tanim (talk) 10:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

•  Not done Another reference titled "Zakir Naik, Radical Islamist Video Evangelist" at the end of the sentence called him that. Have hence simply replaced the ref instead of deleting the content. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2016

Thank you for the prompt response. Can you please tell why the word "radical" is linked to "Islamic extremism" instead of "Islamic radicalism"? Can this be changed?

Ayberk Tanim (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Please use the requested edit template only to request non-controversial edits to the article, not to discuss the article which can be done on the talk page without any edit request templates. —SpacemanSpiff 12:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Falsification of quotations

@Sharif Uddin: This clump of c. 35 edits of 20-21 July 2016 deleted the bold part from the middle of what is presented as a quotation:

He added that, "Killing of any innocent person, either Muslim or non-Muslim is prohibited by Islam. But western powers and media play a double-standard role who describe Muslims as extremists and fundamentalist. Even in Islamic Jihad there are laid down rules and regulations as when and how to kill person, which totally contradicts what is currently happening around the world by some groups, who claim to fight for Jihad."
(The bold format was not in the original. It is merely there to highlight what was deleted.)

I checked the source that was cited, which said:

According to Dr. Naik, the killing of any innocent person, either Muslim or not is prohibited by Islam, while condemning the double-standard, played by the western powers and media who describes Muslims as extremists and fundamentalists. He said in unequivocal term that, even in Islamic Jihad, there are laid down rules and regulations as when and how to kill a person, which he noted, totally contradicts what is currently being happening around the world, by some groups who claim to fight for Jihad.
[Source: Ceesay, Alieu (13 October 2014). "Gambia: Dr. Zakir Naik Condemns Atrocities Committed in the Name of Jihad". The Daily Observer. AllAfrica.com. Retrieved 18 July 2016.]

The source does not provide a quotation by Z Naik, so presenting the information as Z Naik's exact words is misleading, when that is the only source. Does someone have another source? One that provides Z Naik's exact words.

If we are quoting the newspaper, then we should do so accurately. If we wish to omit parts in the middle of the quotation we should use "... " to signify where the omitted parts of the quotation are.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

correction  Done. Quotation mark has been removed. Sharif Uddin (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Bachelor = Dr.?

Zakir Naik calls himself "Dr Zakir Naik" but the infobox only mentions a "Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery". Did he receive a doctorate from a recognised university? --Kolja21 (talk) 00:09, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

He does not have a doctorate, but very few medical doctors do. It is normal for a medical practitioner to assume the title doctor. One could argue that Zaik should not, as he has never practiced medicine, but this does not seem to be YOUR argument. See Physician. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 08:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

It is very common practice for a certified doctor (Physician) to use 'Dr.' title before his/her name in South Asian Region. As this title carry very special honer for holder to make other believe that holder has some level of intelligence (Like other professionals, Engr., Advocate (Lawyer), Professors ) Mr. Zakir should either drop using this title or disclose proof of his earned professional degree on some kind of certified medical institute to public demand and verification . Bauani (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

There is no public demand for Dr. Naik's professional degree nor he needs to prove it for someone who doesn't bother to look for sources before making a bold accusation. The Biography section on the article already provided sources for Dr. Naik's MBBS degree and also The Hindustan Times[1], Daily News and Analysis[2], Daily Bhaskar[3] and many more. AlifromAssam (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2016

Dr. Zakir Naik's MBBS degree is well referenced on the article plus there are many sources from The Hindustan Times[4], Daily News and Analysis[5], Daily Bhaskar[6] so remove the word "[citation needed]" after "Education MBBS" on the right side box of the article.

AlifromAssam (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Zakir Naik inspired more than 50 terror suspects, says NIA and his views are considered by many as extremist and misogynist

his views are considered by many as extremist and misogynist

Zakir Naik view is considered as extremist and misogynist by some: http://www.firstpost.com/india/how-zakir-naik-misinterpreted-islam-for-his-extremist-and-misogynist-views-2954568.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.136.7 (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Zakir Naik inspired more than 50 terror suspects, says NIA

source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Zakir-Naik-inspired-more-than-50-terror-suspects-says-NIA/articleshow/53551081.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.136.7 (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I do not agree with many of the things Dr Zakir preaches. However, I condemn this highly irresponsible, preposterous, surreal act of much of Indian media's attempt to malign the name of this person based on half-baked and unverified facts.

1. Dr Zakir has been giving lectures for over a period of 25 years (not at all a small time) all over the world, yet till now not a single agency in the world has produced any true evidence against him.

2. Almost all of his speeches are conducted in an open ground and in mid of public place, many policemen has attended his lectures including majority of non-muslims, yet not a single time there has been any unrest during the lecture.

3. They have not yet produced a single video from his source (out of over 4000 speeches) which calls for violence.

4. Why they are not showing not a single one from his innumerable clips where he has condemned terrorism.

5. Many a times he has spoken about commonalities among religions which unites people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.219.11.68 (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but what improvement do you want in the article?-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Media trial going on against Zakir Naik

Zakir Naik slams media trial in India; heaps praise on PM Modi. He slammed the Indian media for showing "doctored clips" of his sermons and rubbished suggestions about him supporting terrorism. He also "challenged Indian media to run his full lectures and compare them with Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) president Praveen Togadia". He also added that "A Bangladeshi newspaper carried a false story about me influencing one of the Dhaka attackers. The Indian media quoted this report. However, when the newspaper apologised for publishing that article the next day nobody carried it. I never asked Muslims to take up arms against the US or anybody. I have done nothing wrong. I have never created disharmony or run down other communities,"

Zakir Naik slaps Rs 500 crore defamation case against news channel in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.219.183.43 (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

mentioning he is controversial

Zakir Naik is very controversial and it should be mention in the beginning of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 08:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC) Here is a source that mention he is conteriversal: http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/cover-story/Zakir-Naiks-catching-them-young-say-cops/articleshow/53705162.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 08:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

The intro already says: "His preaching is currently banned in India, Canada, United Kingdom and Bangladesh. He is said to have more critics within the Islamic community than those outside it." This is sufficient. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 10:01, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

What about "Zakir Naik (born 18 October 1965) is an controversial Indian Islamic preacher," as the beginning sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

That would be adding an obvious bias. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 17:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

It is not bias, it is mentioning a fact, this is the definition of controversial "of, relating to, or characteristic of controversy, or prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; polemical:" http://www.dictionary.com/browse/controversial and Zakir Naik fit to this definition, and we have reliable sources that mention him as controversial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Accusation of brainwashing children in his schools

It should be mention that Zakir Naik is accused of brainwashing children in his schools. Sources:

http://www.india.com/news/india/islamic-international-school-operated-by-dr-zakir-naik-under-police-scanner-for-brainwashing-students-1409946/

http://www.firstpost.com/india/zakir-naiks-islamic-international-school-heres-whats-part-of-its-salafi-curriculum-2965376.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-today-investigation-zakir-naik-islamic-research-foundation/1/724629.html

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 13:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC) 

An investigation report by the Mumbai Police on Naik, submitted last week and forwarded to the home ministry for further examination, supports arguments raised by the Firstpost piece. According to the Mumbai Police report, the state police has raised "serious concerns" on the nature of education given to students of IIS and has said that the school is 'brainwashing' students, urging parents to keep kids away from an 'un-Islamic environment'. The 71-page Mumbai Police report further quotes from the school's literature to highlight how it aimed to 'insulate' students. http://www.firstpost.com/india/mumbai-polices-zakir-naik-report-raises-more-questions-on-school-run-by-the-preacher-2962728.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.203.169.111 (talk) 14:01, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

The accusations are part of media trail with no verification from the Mumbai Police Department or from the Maharashtra investigation team. Authors are being paid to guest post such unverified reports on news opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.225.177.40 (talk) 05:57, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

This is absurd, you can not claim that all Indian news sources are unreliable.If we have enough reliable sources, and in this case we have enough reliable sources, then it should be included.

Beside they are only reporting police finding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 08:02, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

The so called "report" has not been verified by the Maharashtra investigation team and a case has already been lodged against media vilification. Isn't it suspicious that the same Mumbai Police earlier told that "No much evidence against Zakir Naik" (Mumbai police: No much evidence against Zakir Naik)? Why the BJP CM of Maharashtra has not made any cases yet? The Home Minister is also silent. Communal Violence is rising in India since BJP came into Govt. So, Zakir Naik being unfairly targeted by the same government which looks the other way when leaders like Yogi Adityanath, Sanjeev Balyan and Sakshi Maharaj among others, have said much worse. These are just news stories being circulated by a section of sold out Indian media for political benefit ahead of UP polls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.217.249.201 (talk) 18:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

we are talking about indiatoday, firstpost and india.com, they are reliable sources, you can not dismiss them just because you don't like what they are writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 12:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

How come firstpost becomes reliable? The question here is not reliability of sources but contradiction of facts. None of the sources I presented are non-reliable so you cannot give undue weight to defame a living person just because you don't like him. He has not been summoned nor any case registered against him by the Mumbai police so wait till the further investigation results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.220.47.10 (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Government set to slap terror case on Zakir Naik, ban his NGO

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-set-to-slap-terror-case-on-Zakir-Naik-ban-his-NGO/articleshow/53880542.cms "Top government sources said the two-pronged action plan against Naik, a popular Islamic missionary who has been accused of being the "inspiration" behind the Dhaka restaurant attack in July, has been worked out on the basis of scrutiny of his speeches."

And we have more sources:

http://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/centre-to-denounce-irf-unlawful-to-slap-terror-charges-on-zakir-naik/359315/ "Centre to denounce IRF ‘unlawful’; to slap terror charges on Zakir Naik "The primary ground for invoking terror charges against Naik are statements by those involved in past terror acts, conceding that they were motivated by his speeches," said an intelligence officer."

So now we have government source that say that Zakir Naik inspired terror attacks.At least now we should mention it. Zakir Naik is accused in terror inspiration. Shouldn't this be in the first paragraph?

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 10:19, 28 August 2016 (UTC) 

The news reads "The Centre seems set to slap terror charges on Islamic tele-evangelist Zakir Naik" and another states "A top government source was quoted by Times of India saying that there are possibilities, Zakir Naik may be booked under Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA)"http://www.india.com/news/india/zakir-naik-can-be-booked-under-terror-charges-government-likely-to-ban-irf-1438404/] this implies only vague allegations so let the Govt. do it first and have confirm news from multiple sources otherwise this is just the same media vilification by a particular section of media against which case has been lodged. These news quotes reports from unknown officers which are not even verified. There are still no confirmation from the Govt. itself! A person is innocent until proven guilty so wait for the investigation. By the way FYI, the newspaper which printed Zakir Naik inspired the terror attacks has already publicly apologized[7][8]. 101.219.120.78 (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Government Bars Zakir Naik's NGO From Receiving Foreign Funds

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/government-bars-zakir-naiks-ngo-from-receiving-foreign-funds-1457850 Invoking a rare provision of law, the government on Monday issued a gazette notification to ban an NGO, run by controversial preacher Zakir Naik, from receiving foreign funds directly and asked the RBI to seek prior permission from it before releasing any money to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.73 (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

accusation of money laundering

Zakir Naik is accused of laundering money. I think it should be mention that he is investigated an accused in money laundering. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/money-laundering-ed-issues-fresh-summons-to-zakir-naik/story-AqdGNXJhVeV1tbKg9zl7CL.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.73 (talk) 14:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2017

Peacekeeper power (talk) 22:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 22:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@Peacekeeper power: Just to let you know, if it involves mentioning something that the person has allegedly done, then you also need to mention which independent reliable sources (more than one) have discussed the allegation. In such a case you would also need to explain how the inclusion of the allegations would meet Wikipedia policies such as WP:NPOV and WP:BLP.

@IVORK: for info. MPS1992 (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Taslima Nasrin

@MPS1992 and The revealer: What is your issue with either Taslima Nasrin or Zee News? Chris Troutman (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Chris Troutman, I don’t understand it either. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 15:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

About the lead

Hi, yesterday I made a small change to the structure of the second part of the lead, from "he is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology, and as a radical Islamic televangelist propagating Wahhabism" to "he is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology. According to some sources, He is considered as a radical Islamic, propagating Wahhabism as a televangelist", because in the previous way, It seemed that the opinions are the same while Salafi movement is different from wahabism (which is considered radical islam while Salafi movement is not), so I thought that it should be clarified by explaining that each opinion is different. and also "he is regarded" makes it seem as the only view of him, while he actually rejects secularism in Islam as the article says. I discussed the matter with user:RegentsPark who undid the revision in his talk page and he told me that the original text read better, It's sadly because of me not being a native speaker, so I couldn't find a better style, He told me to go ahead with the edit, but I thought it would be better to look for some other thoughts here, to make this part more clear (and continue to be best to read), thanks Mohamed^Talk 23:54, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, we have some problems here. The linked article Televangelism says "Televangelism is the use of media, specifically radio and television, to communicate Christianity." Which I think everyone can agree is not correct in this case.

I wonder if we can say something like this:

Although he has publicly disclaimed sectarianism in Islam,[23] he is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology,[20][24] and by some sources as a radical Islamist[13][25][26] promoting Wahhabism.[21][25][27][28][29]

What does everyone think? Including @RegentsPark:. MPS1992 (talk) 02:10, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• @MPS1992: Thanks for commenting, I think it would be better that way. Mohamed^Talk 05:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

  Sure, that reads fine. Go ahead and make the change and we can see what happens. --regentspark (comment) 13:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Criticism and Controversy

This part needs a rewrite. It is too large to be read properly. Maybe someone can bring some structure in it? I'll see what I can do too. Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to reply 2 years later, but I agree. Wikipedia style is to avoid controversy sections. Almost everything Naik does is controversial. It is a key part of his notability. The article would be better served if the whole 'Criticism and Controversy' section was merged into the main text. Ashmoo (talk) 12:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2018

Fact about Zakir:Reference (Redacted)

Sanathan542 (talk) 12:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. You just copied and pasted text from the source you provided; this is a blatant copyright violation, and I've removed it here. Moreover, your request is unclear as to exactly what change(s) you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

mentioning that he controversial in the first paragraph

Hey, I believe we need to change the first sentence from "Zakir Naik is an Indian Islamic preacher" to "Zakir Naik is a controversial Indian Islamic preacher" He is controversial, it doesn't make sense that people need to read two paragraph to know that. It should be mention in the first paragraph. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38259592 https://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/controversial-preacher-zakir-naik-charged-radicalism-insulting-other-religions https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/controversial-islamic-preacher-zakir-naik-seeking-citizenship-in-malaysia/articleshow/58913810.cms https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/6/15/activists-want-indias-hate-preacher-zakir-naik-banned-from-lebanon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.23.74 (talk) 10:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

The problem is 'controversial' means almost nothing. All Muslims are controversial in the eyes of many Hindus and Christians. And all Sunni Muslims are controversial in the eyes of Shia Muslims. It is better to explain what the 'controversy' means, with concrete examples. Ashmoo (talk) 12:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

That is not true. And in any case, we have sources to support the claim that he is controversial.סוסמעופף (talk) 09:04, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

I request the deletion of this part "He also said[87] that Muslims have the right to sex with their female slaves[29][31][88]" Not sure what kind of joke is this and how can you put such fake claims and yet apply the semi-protection badge over this false atrociousness. Revise the legitimacy of these sources, For example there is one from "https://www.indiatoday.in/" a site that writes continuously made up nonsense about others for the sake of their desperate government that despises Zakir Naik. There is no proof anywhere for this, same case with others in short. Therefore I request the deletion of this desperate attempt to fake and lie about the truth, conceiving something else as completely different and manipulating/ changing facts, is not and should not be permitted on wikipedia .

 Not done: Verified by multiple sources. NiciVampireHeart 16:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

change ""He also said that Muslims have the right to sex with their female slaves[29][31][88] where he referred to slaves as "prisoners of war"."".to ""Dr Zakir Naik says that according to Islam its legal for a Muslim to marry any woman of his choice who has been widowed or has lost his husband for considerable time period after war. having sex is another thing entirely and is completely prohibited in Islam and Dr Zakir Naik's ideology. he also says that "Prophet SAW strictly prohibited any violence on children, women, people who lay their weapons down and nature(trees etc) during, after or in the cause of war". since Islam allows polygamy, rather than to have illegal relationship with women affected from the war, its the duty of Muslims to take them in their protection by marrying them.""

this link further clarifies further https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig1nJDMvOR4 MusaImran47 (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Reliable sources are cited for the current wording and a self-published source is cited for the proposed wording. Please start a discussion either on the talk page or at the reliable sources noticeboard. SITH (talk) 13:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe come up with a better rationale

To editor Векочел: That Zakir is called a televangelist is cited in the article. Your argument is invalid. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sharif uddin:

As per our interaction happened today, I do understand that you're a fan of Zakir Naik. I also understand that you would not like to see any content that is critical of Naik. See your edits - all you are doing is moving content here and there without any rationality and/or logical summary and altering the sentences which are framed in coherence with its source. I can't go on reverting your edits forever. When I checked your talk page, others have also warned you on similar instances. I therefore appeal to you to look at the content with an editor's perspective. Please leave aside your fanfare. I see no rationality in your decision to alter the place of contents in article. At least briefly describe the logic in your edit summaries. Wikipedia article is a dynamic phenomenon. It develops over a period of time. The information is placed by the content creator with a certain sense of article's layout. If your not adding info with any substance in it, then its better not to carry out such disruptive changes. You seem to have a clear conflict of interest, Please refer to guidelines. Thank You! –Anand2202 (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

@Sharif uddin:, You haven't replied to my earlier post on your talk page either.

@Anand2202:, I have added info with my edit and you already have improved that with editing and thank you for that. Now I hope there is clearance of misunderstanding now. Thanks brother. Sharif uddin (talk) 17:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Relevantly, why you are linking extremism with the wikilink radical. They both are not the same. Besides the citation next to the link [9] does't refer him as extremist but as a radicalist. So why you are forcefully making him extremist by tweaking continuous random reverts? Please clarify that. Sharif uddin (talk) 17:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Dude, seriously? You think I AM FORCEFULLY making him AN EXTREMIST? (Laughs) How funny can you get? I mean, look at the definitions of both words. In the context of the article, the person appears more of an extremist view rather than a radical. Its obvious from all the sources cited in reference. On the contrary, Isn't it you who DO NOT want to associate the term "extremist" with him? Like you want to portray Naik as the rock star of tele-evangelism and a proponent of modern Islam but not as someone whose version of Islam (that he preaches) is said to be "incompatible with modern world? Wake up to the reality, my dear fellow editor. You are the one who is advocating on behalf on Naik and that constitutes a Conflict of Interest thus making you unfit for the article's editing. Please go through WP:BLPSTYLE, WP:COI and WP:ADVOCACY guidelines. And please do not distort the contents in the article. Because when advocates of specific views prioritize their agendas over the project's goals or factions with different agendas, battling to install their favored content, edit-warring and other disruptions ensue. @Sharif uddin: Please understand that wikipedia is not a soapbox to use for editors' activism, recruitment, promotion, advertising, announcements, or other forms of advocacy. Stop the agenda-based editing and let's achieve the encyclopedia's goals. Anand2202 (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

One the contrary it is you Anand2202 who seem to be totally against Naik and all your edits seem to be overflowing with hate towards him. I don't really understand where did you get that extremist thing about him? Do you really think calling others as fans absolves yourself of the clear hatred that you posses towards him? Sure we are fulfilling wiki's goals and you are definitely not helping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.205.234 (talk) 06:45, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey why has it been mentioned that zakir naik has been offered red corner notice? where is the source for it? The Red Corner notice "Taken up" is not the same as red corner notice assigned. I understand that as a Kafir, you would hate all true Muslims expecially Zakir Naik. But this is going too far. I will have to do something about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulsaini1986 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@The revealer:

I have undid your revision which was done without proper explantion. The statement clearly mentions about the Dr Zakir Naik's current situation with proper source. Before making changes please talk. Bansalitsme (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@Bansalitsme:You didn't mention what you changed. This is very wrong and I think this is enough to revert ones edits. What you have done is unencyclopedic. It is being told who the person is and suddenly a line on different topic comes up. You'll find relevant place to add that kind of lines below. Thirdly, the information given is probably wrong. I'm seeing numerous news material which says red corner notice has not been made. Read WP:RS and you should remove this yourself.The revealer (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

And again, wikipedia needs highly sourced referencing. Your reference giving style is incorrect as well. The biggest point: your reference is outdated. It's from april and now's july. So it's not the current state of Zakir Naik.The revealer (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Inappropriate link

In the sentence, "Indian prime minister Narendra Modi slammed Zakir Naik in one of his electoral publicity speeches in May 2019, saying that, Sri Lanka bombing was inspired by him and in spite of that the Congress supports Zakir Naik.", the word Congress should link to the, "Indian National Congress" and not as in the article at present.

Thanks, I have made this change. Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 10:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Content removed

This has been removed, "Naik states that it is permissible to beat one's wife "gently". He argues that "as far as the family is concerned, a man is the leader. So, he has the right", but he should beat his wife "lightly". He also said that Muslims have the right to rape their female slaves where he referred to "prisoners of war" as slaves."

Please re-insert it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.248.124 (talk) 04:43, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

References

The material you want restored was removed by Umshazayn and has since been restored. In fact they have deleted it more than once; in one of the edit summaries it was stated to be "quoted out of context". This amounts to a content dispute and you've done the right thing to open a discussion here on the talk page. The disputed content is supposed to be discussed here and a consensus reached. Continuing to remove and restore it amounts to an edit war. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

It has not been re-inserted, please do so at least now!

Bansalitsme please do the needful!

Khestwol please do the needful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.248.124 (talk) 08:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the help-me tag for this one, please don't use that for a content concern. A discussion needs to take place to determine whether this should be added/removed and a helper shouldn't make this change. Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 10:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

• I have reverted this edit [10] mostly because it doesn't give a clear reason for the edit ("anti-Zakir Naik agenda") and some of newly added references are dubious (youtube, linked to the subject). I didn't notice any change in content, just addition of new references.--DreamLinker (talk) 14:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Now with this edit, more matter has been removed without a reason: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/917358063 and the matter about, "permissible to beat one's wife "gently"" (my first complaint) has not been re-inserted!

Bansalitsme please do the needful!

Khestwol please do the needful!

DreamLinker please do the needful!

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020

In the view of women, he has stated in a talk, that beating a woman is the equivalent to hitting her with a handkerchief, and that it is symbolic. 2601:183:282:1180:BCED:88DA:9B4B:ABAE (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aasim 16:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Contesting reversion regarding the commentary of an obscure author

Something being well referenced does not qualify it for inclusion in this article, and goes against Wikipedia precedent, see WP:WEIGHT. Taslima Nasreen does not seem to be a person of note with any relevance so I cannot see why their opinion would be included, if this was the standard for an article on any other person the article would. I am refering to the following edit https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Zakir_Naik&oldid=prev&diff=960150836 Faissaloo (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

I request to add this part in BJP and Narendra Modi section: Naik claimed in 11 January 2020 that the Narendra Modi government approached him in September 2019 through an envoy and offered to provide him "safe passage" to India if he spoke in support of the government's move to abrogate Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir. In 14 January 2020, in a tweet, Congress leader Digvijaya Singh asked Modi to clarify on Zakir Naik’s claim of Centre’s offer of safe passage to India.

And this part at the last of "2019 Malaysian Chinese and Hindus controversy" section: In 13 May 2020, Modi government sent formal request to Malaysia for Zakir Naik's extradition.

References

--116.58.201.40 (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done--Masum The Great (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Bias

Wikipedia has deleted it's article on Ghazwa-e-Hind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.68.228.151 (talk) 10:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Very controversial information added, and no reliable source is given in the reference sector.

"perhaps the most influential Salafi ideologue in India", there is not any reliable source in favor of this context.

"the world's leading Salafi evangelist" in this context there is not any source as well.

"he is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology, and by many sources as a radical Islamist promoting Wahhabism" All the references that are given for this context that's nothing but a bullshit. No proper citation added. None of the reference said directly those word that he is promoting wahabism or salafi ideology. Emdad Tafsir (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This information is written from india who place dr zakir name as crimnal. This should be removide if they dont have proof Drirfanmalik990 (talk) 16:55, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

if India considers Zakir Naik as a criminal then this should be mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.15.143 (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2020

Please remove the sentence "and is a wanted criminal in India[33][34]." because these are the same references used earlier and no-where in these references mention that he's is a criminal. There has been no trial at all. 103.211.20.129 (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. "Wanted criminal" is not a status that requires a trial. It means wanted by the police to face criminal charges. It does not presume a finding of guilt. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Eggishorn - You can use "fugitive" but emphasising "criminal" in the lead summary for a living person that too without any mention in the references amount to original research and should be avoided. Could you please mention a reference that says Zakir Naik wanted by the police to face criminal charges? 103.211.20.129 (talk) 19:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done: Changed to "...a fugitive wanted for questioning in India." to better reflect sources and address the concerns expressed. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:07, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 103.211.20.129 (talk) 15:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Zakir naik

It's just totally bias and spreading hate about him...he is a very good preacher having broad knowledge about every religion as well as there scriptures Aamirahmad88 (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Totally based article by Indian views.

This is totally based article with many lies and allegations. Hundi extremists made changes in this article, They are against him only because he is Muslim. Otherwise everyone know about what Modi did in with Muslims. Wikipedia is for Information. It should not be based by any religion or country views. Wikipedia should show facts, not views of People. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PK.Shaheen (talk • contribs) 14:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2020

This page has false and hate speech which can lead to conflict. 103.111.226.129 (talk) 18:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020

The information provided regarding Zakir Naik is false and misleading. Please consider removing it. 2409:4054:28F:634D:0:0:1AC8:58B0 (talk) 06:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead Section NPOV (among others)

The LS of this article seems to focus too much on the details of his "alleged" criminal background rather than actual summarized biographic details. In addition, to maintain NPOV, it seems as though editors have taken retaliatory actions against each other rather than resolving issues, as there is too much emphasis on the expression of positive and negative sentiments against the actions of this person rather than an actual presentation of historic details, which only confuses the reader and creates contrast within the article itself. I would suggest a rewriting of relevant sections where this applies. --AccordingClass (talk) 17:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Couple of problems which need to be fixed

1. "Unlike many Islamic preachers, his lectures are colloquial, given in English, not Urdu or Arabic, and he usually wears a suit and tie" This line given in the first paragraph doesn't mean anything. Numerous Islamic preachers are like this (e. g. Hamza Tzortzis, A.R. Green, Ahmed Deedat, Nouman Ali Khan etc). So this should be removed.

2. "His preaching is currently banned in India, Bangladesh, Canada and the United Kingdom" Zakir Naik's preaching is not banned in these places. Zakir Naik cannot enter UK but peace TV is broadcasted there. In Bangladesh, Peace TV is banned but still Dr. Zakir's lectures can be found in YouTube and according to trackalytics, most fans of Zakir Naik are from Bangladesh. So this line must be modified.

Solved Emdadtafsir (talk) 02:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

His lectures are also given in Urdu Being responsible (talk) 12:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Mumbai Police report reveals brain wash in zakir naik schools

http://zeenews.india.com/news/mumbai/mumbai-police-report-reveals-astonishing-details-of-zakir-naiks-islamic-school-details-inside_1919205.html

References

What is defined as 'brainwashing' depends entirely on a person's perspective. Anyone can argue that any school brainwashes its students. Faissaloo (talk) 11:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

This thing about school is totally ridiculous 😡 Zakir Naik has developed a school and this is a good thing haters are proving this illegal Being responsible (talk) 12:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Dr Zakir Naik Wiki Page - concerns over edits

Hi all, i am concerned that there is alot of mis-information on the page and very biased. I have been trying to make edits which keep getting re-stored. Can you advise how to proceed or shall i share all my edits on this forum and await its approval as i have been unsuccessfully trying for the last few months. Your assistance will be very much appreciated Plutowriter123 (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Chris Troutman Would you please have a look at this?The revealer (talk) 06:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Chris Troutman are you able to respond to my questions. If possible i could share all the information first for your approval.82.68.38.166 (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me; I removed this page from my watchlist. I've quit editing Wikipedia articles because of WMF's bad behavior. This biography attracts the attention of partisans who either deify or condemn Zakir. Further, all biographies of living people now fall under discretionary sanctions, so it's not worth my time to argue with crazies. I recommend you ask for help at WikiProject Islam. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear Chris Troutman, I am very sad to read this. You’re a fabulous editor. These controversial Muslim biographies do attract what you call “the crazies”, and you’ve been really helpful in keeping them as reliable, neutral in tone and properly cited as possible. I’m personally grateful to you. Hope you might at some point come back to them. All good wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You are right plutowriter this page needs a lot of edit Zakir Naik is doing a good work and wiki is befaming hus Being responsible (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2020

add this for honrary prefix 95.151.47.253 (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Add what? Also, please see WP:HONORIFICS--RegentsPark (comment) 00:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Biased and non-independent : Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2020

This article is heavily leaning towards the Indian government point of view. Wikipedia’s articles should remain objective and independent. The below edits are proposed:

Change: “Zakir Abdul Karim Naik[10] (Arabic: ذاكر عبد الكريم نايك‎; born 18 October 1965) is an Indian Islamic televangelist and preacher.[11][12][13][14][15] He is currently an alleged criminal absconder[16][17][18][19] in charges related to alleged funding terror activities,[20][21][22] hate speech,[23][24][25] inciting communal hatred,[26][27] and money laundering.[28][29][30] He fled from India in 2016[31][32] and is a fugitive wanted for questioning in India.[33][34] “

To:

“ Zakir Abdul Karim Naik (Arabic: ذاكر عبد الكريم نايك‎; born 18 October 1965) is an Indian physician who became a Muslim intellectual theologian. He describes himself as a student of comparative religion science. Since 1991, he has been dealing and debating Islamic issues in order to highlight what he considers to be the true image of Islam. The debates he led have given him a worldwide notoriety. He uses scientific and logic approach, stressing on the importance of authenticity, to compare between religions and demonstrate what he considers to be truthful. He is subject to an important controversy in his home country, India, which he has fled from in 2016. The allegations accuse him for promoting terrorism ideas. Zakir Naik has replied to these allegations through social media (youtube) and TV interviews. ” 2A01:4B00:8695:1F00:D5A0:4F0B:5E39:5BF (talk) 21:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done Please provide reliable sources. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2020

I want to remove old information so that the article is made easier for everyone to read and understand. AAofficial3 (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

You will need to tell us exactly what changes you want made, so that an experienced editor can review your suggestion and decide whether or not to make the changes. JBW (talk) 10:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020

The article is written in an extremely biased manner and needs huge improvements 173.73.100.156 (talk) 14:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk) 19:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Edits by User:Meganpeltz

Edits by User:Meganpeltz were in violation of WP:EVASION. Unless they contain positive changes, they should be reverted. Because this seems to have been a dispute involving many users, I'll wait to see if anyone agrees with Meganpeltz's changes.VR _talk 03:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

money laundering

We have a reliable source lke the BBC that mention that Zakir Naik is charged with money laundering. It should be mentioned and it should be mentioned in the opening article. sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48132710 https://www.dw.com/en/zakir-naik-india-seeks-to-extradite-islamic-preacher-in-malaysia/a-53845156 https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2021/01/31/tommy-thomas-asked-about-indias-wish-for-malaysia-to-expel-zakir-naik-dr-m/1945615 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.9.93 (talk) 07:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Zakir Naik & Music

Zakir Naik has claimed that music is prohibited in Islam, which it entirely is. There are however a few exceptions to this ruling of course, for the proof of Islam's prohibition on music refer to this thread: https://twitter.com/hanafiathari/status/1361672290430312450?s=21 (Citations from the Quran and the authentic hadiths)

Zakir Naik has stated that it's prohibited in Islam here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjeczXPnIHg&ab_channel=DrZakirNaik

The fact that music is viewed as permissible is disheartening. It's not even a debate among the scholars; it's a known fact that musical instruments and singing are prohibited (exceptions apply). Currently, the wording on this article suggests that it's permissible; it would be appreciated if it were to be changed or removed from this article as what is written right now connotes unjustly.

Muttlak (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Baseless claims

Dear UMPD As I mentioned earlier why are you removing my edits ? There is still no proof of hate speech or money laundering by the indian government and court has given him the clean chit Kindly update yourself

I verbatim quoted what zakir said about the women's rights still you changed it to something else .. why ? Please check the citation I have given

Any questions are welcome Maaz143 (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

You mass deleted referenced content and replaced them with WP:PROMOTION and continued your disruptive editing after several users reverted them. - UmdP 07:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

RfC about the Lead section of Zakir Naik

Should the "Lead" section contain the text, "Naik is currently accused of money laundering and hate speech in India, however there is not enough evidence to prove this claim says Legal Opinion to Home Ministry". It seems to have no basis, the reference goes as, "Insufficient evidence, get more proof against Zakir Naik: Legal opinion to Home Ministry". [11] Iflaq ^(talk) 13:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes the source was misrepresented. NavjotSR (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2020

Remove: He is currently an alleged criminal absconder[16][17][18][19] in charges related to alleged funding terror activities,[20][21][22] hate speech,[23][24][25] inciting communal hatred,[16][26] and money laundering.[27][28][29] He fled from India in 2016[30][31] and is a fugitive wanted for questioning in India. Remove: Although he has publicly disclaimed sectarianism in Islam,[36] he is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology,[37][38] and by many sources as a radical Islamist[13][14][15] promoting Wahhabism.[14][39][40][41][42] His preaching is currently banned in India, Bangladesh, Canada, the United Kingdom and Malaysia, under anti-terrorism or anti-hate laws.[43][44][45][46] Shaheen612 (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

There was an Indian reporter named Arnab who made many many attempts to have him arrested in India and his attempts lead Dr Zakir Naik to leave India due to death threats, later on the reporter who made the entire country of India hate and want to kill Dr. Zakir Naik, that SAME REPORTER was arrested for treason. Dr. Zakir Naik is also NOT BANNED in Malaysia, Bangladesh, Canada, The UK... He ESPECIALLY isnt banned in Malaysia because that is the country he seeked refuge in after India wanted him dead, that is where he LIVES RIGHT NOW!! This entire wikipedia page is full of Indian hate speech because he went against a Hindu state of India since he is a Muslim. Whoever edited this wiki page MUST have been someone from India who practices Hinduism (the religion Dr. Zakir Naik denounced and proved falsehood within the faith). This wiki page looks horrible and needs a fair article!Shaheen612 (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. h 05:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

True ! Maaz143 (talk) 08:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

white washing of zakir naik

Zakir Naik is accused of money laundering and he is considered a fugitive by India (his home country) that important information must be mention in the opening paragraph. The fact that there are people that don't like negative information about Zakir to be mention in Wikipedia is not a reason to omit such important information.

Thank you for the input. The information was mistakenly not added and now has been. Xpërt3 (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Women's rights section

it says "Naik believes that both men and women are equal." but there are no reliable sources for this claim. It should be removed

The sources will be added shortly. They were not mistakenly added before. You can check Zakir Naik's channel on YouTube for the proof. Xpërt3 (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

zakir naik money laundering

Zakir Naik is accessed in money laundering. This should be mention in the first paragraph. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48132710

Thank you for the input. The information was mistakenly not added and now has been. Xpërt3 (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Using YouTube as a source

I have a question. So one of the main issues that are being pointed out is that YouTube is being used as a source (I'm assuming that @NavjotSR: is talking about this). I want to know exactly why using YouTube is a problem to prove a point. In this case, I want to put reliable facts that Zakir Naik have said from the past from his YouTube channel. Maybe I could cite where he says these things but I don't have a good idea of what else I could do. Xpërt3 (talk) 04:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Please keep you emotions out when writing about someone. This definitely seems to be from people that has a grudge or ill-feeling towards the person. This can greatly effect the quality of content as we can see here

This article is full of emotional writing rather than objective which can be seen right from the opening lines. Wikipedia is public resource and that means we should make sure it is source of information rather than someone's personal opinions. Making it more objective will be more beneficial. In the views section the topics and explanations are cherry-picked. There are literally so many edits required as I think it should be rewritten from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.52.146.244 (talk) 17:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I totally agree, this user Georgethedragonslayer, is not making very bad edits, he is writing stuff like "ex-Indian?" and "so-called preacher", a terrorist, he a criminal he fled from India??? Now I am a new editor, so I can't edit this page since it is protected. Can someone plz revert his edits or make the article a neutral point of view. (Huwalhabib talk) 17:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC) sock

Agreed that the lead presently needs revision. The term "ex Indian" does not make sense without further detail. Did he renounce Indian identity or was his Indian citizenship stripped? What does 'ex Indian' even mean? The lead ought to describe what he is, not what he is not. "So called" preacher, excusing the hyphenation, also seems clearly WP:NPOV. It could instead perhaps say "radical Islamic preacher" linking to the page on radical Islam since the sources provided in the lead use this terminology. "Criminal absconder" is also not a known term in English, although the subsequent details about his evasion of criminal charges in India are worth keeping in the lead. There are also unclosed quotation marks in the lead's final paragraph, i.e. "false. Aside from these details, I think the bulk of the article is good. It just seems like some low-quality material was slipped into the lead's opening. --Scuoise (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

It means that he is no more an "Indian Islamic televangelist". NavjotSR (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, the current phrasing reads poorly in English. It should say "is an Indian Islamic preacher and former televangelist". The current syntax stresses ex-Indian not ex-televangelist. Other issues notwithstanding, "so-called preacher" should read "preacher" per WP:NPOV. None of the sources identify him as a "so-called" preacher; they identify him as radical, and radical preachers exist. --Scuoise (talk) 16:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

It is contested that Zakir Naik is a "radical islamic preacher" by multiple parties. Therefore, putting the word "preacher" itself is fine. It is important to say that Naik is wanted by Indian officials and what he is charged for. But just saying radical at the top will cause more issues. Xpërt3 (talk) 22:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Supported by sources though. Huwalhabib is a sock so we can't count him in. NavjotSR (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Most of the Media located in the West and places in Asia call Zakir Naik a radical preacher. However, it is contested by countries by Saudi Arabia, where the KFF, one of the the largest charitable foundations in the world, doesn't describe him like that. And also, the KFF is connected to the Saudi government. The UAE has also done business with Naik, and his network is located in the country. Additionally, many more preachers who are Muslim do not consider Naik a terrorist. And some non-Muslims have also said that he is not a terrorist. So it could be said that some people consider Naik a radical preacher and terrorist. Try not to put the opinions of others in the text. It is not good. Xpërt3 (talk) 19:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Mass content removal

@UMDP, BananaYesterday, and NavjotSR: a new editor called Xpërt3 is now WP:CENSORING the content without any explanation. He removed more than 21k bytes without explanation and is now edit warring. Keep a watch over this disruption. Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 11:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, the first paragraph was not adhering to Wikipedia's encyclopedic tone, so I have summarized it. You cannot structure Wikipedia articles in this way. In addition, the information is not sourced with reliable information. I contacted you on your talk page days ago to address this issue, yet you refused to engage in discourse. In addition, similar editing warring issues occurred when @NavjotSR: brought this information to this article in December/January. The article used to use moderate language, but all was changed in December/January. @Riddhidev BISWAS:, you are not going to have a fun time when Wikipedia administrators will show up to address this issue. I will seriously bring them if you continue to engage in childish behavior. Xpërt3 (talk) 15:47, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I was only reverting sockpuppet who removed long standing content without any explanation just like you are doing. You are supposed to describe your unexplained content removal than resorting to WP:NPA. NavjotSR (talk) 05:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I explained myself days ago and reverted multiple reverts by @Riddhidev BISWAS:. It might of been that I accidentally forgot to add a revert summary but in later edits, I justified my moves. Firstly, the article layout does not conform to Wikipedia's article layout policy, as well as Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Reliable media maintains a neutral P.O.V. and not an utterly biased view. In other words, DO NOT PUT UNRELIABLE INFORMATION IN ARTICLES. Therefore, the verifiability was not sufficient enough. The use of grammar and choice of words were not good and were troublesome, so that was corrected. These were the reasons why I reverted the edits. Before we move our own ways, I have to apologize for the possibility of the missing revert summary. I have not checked, but I most likely did not put an edit summary. I also apologize for the previous accusations @NavjotSR: and @Riddhidev BISWAS:. Let's not engage in a continuous edit war. Xpërt3 (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Amazing arguments! not

Please read WP:V and WP:RS again. Sources are allowed to be biased; WP:NPOV is a guideline about Wikipedia writing, not about what writing sources use. Sources do not become unreliable if they are POV; indeed, the sources you removed from the article were from reputable institutions like the South China Morning Post and Hindustan Times, which have been and will continue to be listed at WP:RSP as reliable. The argument that stuff should be summarily deleted because of WP:MOS issues is really, really weak - the issues should be fixed, not thrown out. And it is trivially easy to prove verifiability; these sources are verifiable because multiple press agencies have reported them. Your removals will be reinstated at some point; the article is currently heavily POV and appears to have some issues with overquotation. Kind regards, W. Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 02:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I deleted that whole paragraph due to its extreme biased nature and POV. However, it was much worse before, I suggest you to check what I exactly deleted and see for yourself. We can revive the reputable sources that I did not check and we can start from there. A little bias is allowed, and there are still sources that are. Admittedly, I went to delete the whole paragraph because there were too many sources to sort out individually (it will filled with strongly pro Hindu sources that were unreliable. The whole article needs to be revamped in the citation department, but the end is in sight, which is a relief. Once again, my apologies for the issues. Xpërt3 (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Your claims regarding the credibility of these sources, namely South China Morning Post, Hindustan Times and others is meaningless. What you are doing is a clear definition of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Given the consensus here by 3-1, I have restored the stable version with good edits that were made recently. NavjotSR (talk) 07:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The tone of the text of your version is mediocre and needs a lot of work (mainly first paragraph). Please view my talk page. I have two other people agreeing with me. So it is techinally 3-3. But regardless, I understand that reputable sources were removed. I will add them back immediately. I was never against the credibility of those reliable sources. I was against the ones that clearly included some propoganda. I mistakenly thought all of the sources had some form of propoganda based on the initial pattern so I deleted the entire first paragraph. I do see areas of problems in my edits so I am correcting them to make it better. Xpërt3 (talk) 01:01, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Xpërt3: I agree that you are engaging in WP:IDONTLIKEIT and your POV language like "renowned as a non-Arabic scholar, public orator", followed by more misrepresentation of sources like "criminal absconder by the Modi-led government in India". Why you removed section on "Islamic Supremacy" and using a youtube video to claim that "Naik believes that both men and women are equal"? You are removing Huffington Post and using Youtube video as a source. This all shows that you are attempting to put the subject into positive light contrary to the sources. You seem to have clearly disregarded my warning on your talk page,[12] and if you reverted again then I will seek sanctions against you. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Xpërt3 . This wiki was extremely biased against zakir naik . It was pure propaganda until Xpert edits . Do check out his talk page . Navjyot umdp and bananayesterday kept reverting their changes daily against me and xpert Maaz143 (talk) 08:34, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

See WP:NPOV. It is necessary to highlight the negative and postive aspects if supported by reliable sources. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Georgethedragonslayer:

1. Zakir Naik is a renowned as a non-Arabic scholar and an orator. I don't see what is the problem with putting that? Out of any scholar, Zakir Naik is the most popular scholar amongst the Muslims and often talked about.

2. "followed by more misrepresentation of sources" - I do not see that anywhere? How are the sources misrepresented?

3. "criminal absconder by the Modi-led government in India" - It is true that the Modi-led government in India pressed charges against Naik! How is this false? Not all of India considers Naik a terrorist!

4. Why you removed section on "Islamic Supremacy" and using a youtube video to claim that "Naik believes that both men and women are equal"? - I was on the way to actually add "Islamic supremacy" back after I accidently deleted it but you reverted the edits. The YouTube video is by ZAKIR NAIK, which means that he believes that men and women are equal!

5. It is an ongoing effort of mine to restore most of the sources considered reliable, but again, you reverted the edits.

If we sort issues out like this, it will be more efficient. Please give me your response as soon as possible. Xpërt3 (talk) 15:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

It does not matter what you think is correct, but what is supported by the sources even if "scholars are obviously influenced by India's Modi government". I count only you to be disputing these edits while other 4 editors, including me, have sufficiently described why your reverts are problematic. 14:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I have deleted two of my arguments after reading this response and rechecked my points, but have you taken a look at the other 4 points as to why the article in previous form was problematic? I did not recently revert the edits by the way, but the previous form had problematic errors. I have to point out that I deleted some of the sources earlier because they were not located correctly:

(ie. Zakir Abdul Karim Naik[10] (Arabic: ذاكر عبد الكريم نايك‎; born 18 October 1965) is an ex Indian Islamic televangelist and so called preacher.[11][12][13][14][15] ) <<<<<<< The sources already talk about how he is a criminal and the sources are good, but they would be stacked up if you put them in the place where they belong. (ie. He is currently a criminal absconder[16][17][18][19] in charges related to funding terror activities,[20][21][22] hate speech,[23][24][25] inciting communal hatred,[26][27] and money laundering.[28][29][30] )<<<< There are a lot of sources here, and the sources in the first sentence should belong here instead of their present place. But then, there would be too many sources. Xpërt3 (talk) 15:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

My version has a lot of corrections made that were not made in the original version that had to do with the Views section, early life, career, violence, terrorism, criticism of indian allegations, citizenship and extradition, relocating information at the top of the page that was very busy, and much more that I do not remember. Xpërt3 (talk) 18:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any corrections but only whitewashing. See WP:SOAP and WP:RGW. Replacing long standing lead with puff piece isn't constructive. NavjotSR (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The version that I'm proposing is not different from yours. It has no whitewashing in it. Can you tell me where I'm whitewashing? Xpërt3 (talk) 05:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The only difference is that corrections made in the views section, early life, career, violence, terrorism, criticism of indian allegations, citizenship and extradition, relocating information at the top of the page that was very busy, and much more that I do not remember. These changes are required and important because the current article form is misleading and not factual. Xpërt3 (talk) 05:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

You haven't explained anything about your removal of the lead. Describe how "current article form is misleading and not factual"? NavjotSR (talk) 08:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Navjot's edits are clearly biased in nature Just because you don't like a person you changed the whole wikipedia we've been working on these days Please don't involve in edit war and keep the article neutral SuvarnaAdhikari (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

hey man did you just converted the whole page into a biased article ? we have been editing this since many months with the help of the other editors and you just came up and reverted everything without discussion ?

I will explain to you @NavjotSR: "how current article form is misleading and not factual?"

• Zakir Naik was not born in Mumbai, he was born in Bombay.

• The first paragraph is poorly formed. "ex Indian" is factual, but doesn't sound good. "so called preacher" sounds ridiculous. Criminal information should not be at the top, it should relocated to a separate third paragraph. And also, only the Modi-led government convicted him, and no one else. And I still find it laughable as to why it is some editors do not want to mention this fact. Also, Peace TV banned by Ofcom needs to be moved to a more specific section that needs to be created. Scholar criticism was moved to a separate section under "Controversies". The scholar information didn't even mention that most of the the actual scholars under Sunni schools admitted to ideaological differences and didn't want Naik to be charged with terrorism while the Shia schools wanted him to be charged.

• A new "Early Life" section was created to separate his early life information. Additionally, the name "biography" was changed to "career". In career, information about Naik's new educational show. In the original version in "biography", information was squeezed up together and citizenship information was added to "biography". This disorganization was fixed and a new section was created for it to be relocated. Additionally, the new section has new information about Interpol notices and how King Salman of Saudi Arabia directly gave Zakir Naik citizenship.

• In the lectures and debates section, Australia 2004 and Wales 2006 was separated from each other because other mini sections were separated from each other

• In the mini section Denial of entry to the UK and Canada, 2010, Tarek Fatah did warn Theresa May of Naik's views. However, he claimed to be a Muslim but his own views do not align with the Muslim faith. His own group "Muslim Canadian Congress" is not even aligned with the Muslim faith and its rules, therefore a detail was added how the Muslim Canadian Congress was "openly controversial"

• In the views section, under "Women's rights", why does your version directly go to say that Naik permits "gentle beating". It should be said that Naik believes that men and women are equal, which is true. And Naik provides information about how hitting should not be abusive.

• Under controversies, information about how Naik denied terrorism was not provided, and this information is ESSENTIAL. Sources prove my point.

• Under "Indian Allegations of Promoting Terrorism", the statement "Several researchers have investigated the link between Naik and terrorism" was removed. There is absolutely no source that states that Naik has been researched upon by several researchers. Also, the section was changed to say "Indian" at the title because these allegations were pushed by people from India.

• "Criticism of Indian Allegations" was added because there was no counterargument given as to why Naik should not be considered a terrorist.

• A new section "Indian Muslim opposition towards Naik" was added. The information was relocated from the third paragraph, and I did paraphrasing.

• Important information missing in "2019 Malaysian Chinese and Hindus controversy" was added relating to clarification of Naik's statements.

• Extradition information was moved to a separate section called "Citizenship & Extradition"

There are many more edits that other users have done to the article. These edits are what I have done. As you can clearly see, I have done significant edits that cannot be easily added to the old version. Additionally, major grammatical errors and paraphrasing was done by myself. Xpërt3 (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

None of this highlight that you are giving more weight to views of Naik, while downgrading the mainstream view about him and resorting to primary sources at times just to spew Naik's POV. For example, your recent edit constitutes WP:DE. He has been barred by UK over the same concerns. NavjotSR (talk) 05:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)]

What else do you want to be changed in my version besides that edit? If you could kindly do so, please give me a list of things to change so that I can do so. Xpërt3 (talk) 18:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Haven't I already highlighted the problems with your version? Stop edit warring given you came off from a block concerning your edits related to this subject. Replacing entire lead with a fluff isn't WP:NPOV. NavjotSR (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

All you have proven is that my YouTube sources are a problem. My version does not have any biased issues with it. Show me where there are problems then. Xpërt3 (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

And Navjot, you cannot use older consensus information for this current consensus. I'm sure that the opinions have changed. Xpërt3 (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Current form of Wikipedia's article of Zakir Naik as of 25 July 2021

I saw that a lot of people complained about the way the first paragraph was structured in the Zakir Naik article in the other version, so I decided to create a better structured one. I did my best to prevent bias. I don't mean to be disruptive when I revert other people's edits to do this. I have a few issues with sources when I add them to the talk page, so this is my only method of showing if my version is good or not. I also made a couple of edits regarding Naik's views, so take a look at them. I need suggestions from all kinds of users as they would be helpful. Xpërt3 (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

This is an improvement, but I think it now has a favourable bias. I've made some edits:

• Removed the point on sectarianism and Salafism into the lead sentence by describing his specifically Islamic fundamentalist preaching, which is a constant description in reliable sources.
• Removed a sentence that appears to transgress MOS:PEACOCK - "award-winning colloquial manner of lecturing has become extremely popular among Muslims all over the world".
• Merged the subsequent two sentences because they communicate the same idea.
• Revised sentence on outstanding criminal charges to reflect that the Indian judiciary is seeking him, not Modi's cabinet. Revised sentence on Interpol for more-NPOV language. --Scuoise (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks good! I was trying to fix the Modi part, but you nailed it. I really do appreciate the quick response. Xpërt3 (talk) 23:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Lead is far from good right now. I have removed some POV here which violates WP:SOAPBOX. You can't cite an opposing politician for advocating against a serious decision. NavjotSR (talk) 16:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Well at least the article looks better than the version that you campaigned for. I just wanted to make changes and fixes that were obviously needed. Obviously I need help from others to make it perfected. Xpërt3 (talk) 01:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Don't add any more sentences about Interpol on lead. One was enough per WP:UNDUE. NavjotSR (talk) 12:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2021

I need to get access to edit this page because I have prepared an article for this specific subject, there are many errors in the current article. Gsnubao = (talk) 14:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Since you're not Extended Confirmed, suggest your changes (clearly, in the form change X to Y) here and someone will review them. --RegentsPark (comment) 14:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Minor edits

Change "He stated that he would not return to India while Modi remained in power, according to the example of Muhammad in Hijrah" to " He stated that he would not return to India while Modi remained in power, drawing parallels with the example of Muhammad in Hijrah"

Change "After several complaints from India's National Investigation Agency (NIA), Interpol has declined to issue a red notice for Naik's arrest" to "Despite several requests from the National Investigation Agency (NIA), India's counter-terrorist task force, Interpol has refused to issue a red notice for Naik's arrest." ( https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/interpol-red-corner-notice-islamic-preacher-zakir-naik-1110835-2017-12-16 see citation numbered 212 in the article)

--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Done both. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)