Talk:Your Life Is a Record
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Tracklisting format
[edit]We've got a dispute over a stylistic decision to update the tracklisting format to this tabular design that was already adopted by 1) both of Brandy's prior releases — Big Day in a Small Town and 12 Stories — and 2) the overwhelming majority of popular Wikipedia album articles (see: Cry Pretty, Golden Hour, Lover, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?, Come On Over, No Fences, and the list could go on and on and on...). The user who created this article has taken it upon himself to unilaterally decide what goes on this page per a respect for his 'established style' and has requested that I seek consensus on this matter so that he might be convinced to allow others to make edits that will not be reverted for failing to meet his rigid guidelines.
This is the updated tracklisting in question:
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Length |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | "I'll Be the Sad Song" | Brandy Clark, Jessie Jo Dillon, Chase McGill | 3:58 |
| 2. | "Long Walk" | Clark, Jesse Frasure, Jay Joyce | 2:39 |
| 3. | "Love Is a Fire" | Clark, Joyce, Shane McAnally | 4:01 |
| 4. | "Pawn Shop" | Clark, Troy Verges | 3:50 |
| 5. | "Who You Thought I Was" | Clark, Joyce, Jonathan Singleton | 3:09 |
| 6. | "Apologies" | Clark, Scott Stepakoff, Forest Glen Whitehead | 3:23 |
| 7. | "Bigger Boat" (with Randy Newman) | Clark, Adam Wright | 3:34 |
| 8. | "Bad Car" | Clark, Jason Saenz | 3:02 |
| 9. | "Who Broke Whose Heart" | Clark, McAnally | 3:02 |
| 10. | "Can We Be Strangers" | Clark, Clint Daniels, Dillon | 3:29 |
| 11. | "The Past Is the Past" | Clark, Luke Laird | 5:00 |
| Total length: | 39:07 | ||
CloversMallRat (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- {{Track listing}} is not mandatory, but I feel that between the same artist it should be consistent one way or the other. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- There is nothing normative about the track listing template, or using certain citation styles, or using American versus British English (except in cases where there is a strong national tie), etc. Arguments over arbitrary style are mostly, "I like this" and "I like this". This is why we generally don't have them. The argument (asserted and unproven) that most articles do [x] and this one doesn't doesn't really matter because 1.) you have no proof and 2.) just because something's popular doesn't mean it's normative. Most articles on Wikipedia have unsrouced claims. Most articles lack alt text for images (you even removed table captions, making this one less accessible, likely because most tables lack them). It's all irrelevant noise, so we defer to "If there's already a style, just stick with that". There are good reasons to not use the track listing template, there are some wishy-washy reasons to use it ("I like it" and "Other articles have it"), so the default is to stick with the status quo. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Or, User:CloversMallRat, let's put this another way: there were thousands of articles about albums on Wikipedia before the introduction of {{track listing}}. Why should articles that already existed and had perfectly fine, accurate track listings in semantically meaningful ordered lists be changed to that format? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Where a list suffices then a list is fine. The track listing template is useful where there are more complex track listings but there is no set consensus that track listings have to use the template. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 12:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Note that there are four Brandy Clark album articles on Wikipedia and two use plain lists, two use the template. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)