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Archives

Archive 1

chapters

They've grown rapidly since their founding, reaching 800 chapters on November 14, 2016, and 900 on February 21, 2017.^[1]^[2]^[3]

With the surge in chapter growth and with the projection of 2,000 activism events executed in 2017, this will be the biggest year YAL has ever seen.

Relationship with other organizations

YAL is similar to Young Americans for Freedom, an older and more conservative group, and Students for Liberty, a more left leaning group.

YAL hosted events at the International Students for Liberty Conference.

YAL often works with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education to file suit to overturn unconstitutional speech codes on university campuses.^[4]

Milo Yiannopoulos

In a Facebook post perceived by YAL chapter leaders as an official blacklisting of Breitbart News Tech Editor Milo Yianopoulos in May 2017 YAL National Field Director Ty Hicks urged chapter leaders not to invite the conservative firebrand to speak at their events.^[5]^[6]

Benjamin (talk) 06:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:MarnetteD, please discuss, rather than revert. Benjamin (talk) 07:03, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jayhawkkevin (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)This date seems off since it is in the future.[reply]

References

Michigan

There should be a new section in the controversies section about the recent campaign in Michigan. Benjamin (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. 104.52.53.152 (talk) 02:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I really appreciate your contribution. However, you should specify that it wasn't technically a YAL initiative. It was YAL National leaders and YAL members doing it on their own time, and not under the YAL banner. Benjamin (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

209.133.27.66, please discuss here before reverting again. Benjamin (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Liberty Conservative and "Clean MI Government" controversy

The Liberty Conservative — which from my own conversations has told me they will not interview Young Americans for Liberty staffers as a matter of course — is a sensationalist source that should not ever be used as a source on Wikipedia, especially for contentious material about YAL. exhibit A. Also see where Liberty Conservative roped in Students for Liberty radio host Austin Mulke to boost their story, causing him to resign. But I could see how someone could mistake them for a credible source with nuanced headlines like Cucked By The ADL: Gavin McInnes Institutes Thought Control On His 'Proud Boys'. <sarc/>

Full disclosure: I was invited to contribute to The Liberty Conservative last year. I have never taken them up on this offer. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 22:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so you have a problem with one of the sources. No big deal - let's find a different source instead of amputating the entire section. Toddst1 (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no, that's not how this works. The burden is on you to provide such a source. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 22:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You've objected to one source and amputated an entire section - that's not how it works. Are you disputing the reliability of that source, the content supported by that source or the mention of the entire issue? We have tags like {{disputed}} {{better source}} and {{reliable source}} that can identify issues and allow the article to be improved without blasting out entire sections. Toddst1 (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've remove the portion of that section that seemed to be supported by the source you find objectionable. I have no idea about the reliability of that source but since it's objected to, let's pull it. Now, censoring the entire mention of the issue is another story and I'll do whatever is necessary to prevent that. Toddst1 (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Detroit News is reliable, however it doesn't mention YAL at all. It can't be used except on background. The Narrative Times source isn't much better than The LC. I don't have a deep background on that source like I do The LC, but it appears to be an opinionated blog. Narrative Times is also less established than any of its competitors. I've never heard of it despite freelancing for conservative outlets for over a year. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 23:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Mark here; these do not seem like the kind of sources we want to be using here, particularly for such charged and defamatory claims as "corruption," alleged misuse of funds, etc. We should be looking for high-quality established journalism outlets, not hastily-assembled partisan blogs. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it deserves at least a brief, carefully worded mention. Benjamin (talk) 06:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/18014/selweski_lt_gov_calley_s_shaky_petition_drive_and_its_dark_money Benjamin (talk) 17:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing there that suggests that website is credible. It doesn't appear the outlet sought comment from anybody for that story. It looks like an unattributed rehash of The Liberty Conservative's reporting. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 22:23, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another source: http://rightmi.com/what-is-young-americans-for-liberty-hiding-about-brian-calleys-part-time-legislature-campaign/ Benjamin (talk) 07:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

Another source: http://www.eclectablog.com/2017/06/michigan-lt-gov-calley-ships-in-students-from-around-the-us-for-his-grassroots-campaign-for-governor.html

Benjamin (talk) 07:55, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another sauce: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/06/board-cancels-meeting-calley-part-time-petition/102566352/

This one should be good, right? Benjamin (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation

What's the difference between Young Americans for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty Foundation? Benjamin (talk) 06:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Operation

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-campaign-launches-to-elect-freedom-fighters-to-state-government-roles/article/2648100

YAL recently launched its newest campaign, Operation Win at the Door. Benjamin (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

lawsuit

I think I'll add a bit about the Kellogg lawsuit.

Perhaps I'll reorganize the other lawsuit into one section. Benjamin (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More campaigns

Justin Greiss says: "I'm hiring now in Arizona, Michigan, Missouri, Minnesota, Tennessee, and Wisconsin. And shortly after, Florida and New Hampshire."<ref>https://archive.li/sXKBx</ref> Benjamin (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Savannah Maddox, Candidate for Kentucky State House, credits her victory to YAL.^[1] Benjamin (talk) 23:43, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources:

https://www.facebook.com/MaddoxforKy/photos/a.133783004091996.1073741828.133768194093477/180594192744210/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/MaddoxforKy/posts/210886003048362

https://www.maddoxforky.com/news/young-americans-for-liberty-endorses-savannah-maddox-for-state-representative-61s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gYVZYyUjwk

Benjamin (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More campaigns:

Iowa: Jeff Shipley

Maine: Justin Fecteau, John Andrews, Guy Lebida

Massachusetts: Mark Mezzina

Missouri: Tony Lovasco

Nebraska: Laura Ebke

New Hampshire: Keith Ammon, Calvin Beaulier, Ed Bryans, Dan Davis, Caleb Dyer, Elizabeth Ferreira, Dan Garthwaite, Carla Gericke, Bob Greene, Carolyn Halstead, Joshua Holmes, Dan Hynes, Jim Kofalt, Alicia Lekas, Tony Lekas, Gates Lucas, Jim McConnell, Mark McLean, Tim Merlino, Hershel Nunez, Lynne Ober, Russell Ober, Brandon Phinney, Brittany Ping, Tammy Simmons, Mark Warden, James Whittemore, John Yule

New Mexico: Trey Morris

New York: Nick Paro

Rhode Island: Sherry Roberts, Luis Vargas

Texas: Don Huffines, Matt Rinaldi, Deanna Metzger, Jonathan Boos

Vermont: Felisha Leffler, Patrick Seymour

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Benjamin (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there should be a table to keep these all organized, and make sure none are missing. Benjamin (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"YAL's newest endorsements: Steven Utroska in Mississippi and William Hunt in Rhode Island"^[3] Benjamin (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

UMass Amherst

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/umass-amherst-settles-free-speech-lawsuit-filed-by-young-americans-for-liberty

"UMass Amherst settles free speech lawsuit filed by Young Americans for Liberty"

Benjamin (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Conservatism

I disagree with the removal of the Category:Conservatism in the United States category. YAL describes itself as "traditionally conservative", and while primarily libertarian, certainly falls under the broad umbrella of Conservatism. Benjamin (talk) 09:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

Several references were recently removed by an IP editor, perhaps inadvertently. I think they should be restored. The wording might need some work as well. Benjamin (talk) 01:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another reference removed:

^[1]

Benjamin (talk) 06:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "CPAC speaker booed for APPLAUDING gay group invite", [1], The Daily Caller, February 19, 2010 Archived 26 May 2010 at the Wayback Machine

Unofficial

[2] Another example of unofficial activity. Benjamin (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[3] Not sure exactly when these changes were made. Benjamin (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources and information

I think it's worth reminding editors that adding information published by YAL itself is generally not acceptable, per WP:RS and WP:V. Nor is information that comes from a blog or from a highly partisan website.

Also, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a comprehensive collection of data. So, for example, per WP:NOT, articles are not to contain lists of things like chapters of an organization. If someone wants to know what states YAL has chapters in, they're welcome to go to the YAL website and look.

Finally, anyone inclined to use the word "claimed" should read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch first. We don't say, in an article, that someone "claimed" to say something unless that is immediately followed by well-sourced information to the effect that what the person said was untrue. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John Broughton: well done, thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Make Liberty Win

[4] "Cabral-Guevara described Make Liberty Win as a political action committee for Young Americans for Liberty. She makes no apology for its work on her behalf." Benjamin (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual harassment allegations

YAL's statement: [5] [6] [7] Social media: [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] Media: [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] (Message updated.) Benjamin (talk) 07:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLPUFffkk-g

[2] ttp://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=f1340031d3e25504f5712bcb1&id=b2fbdd2490&e=7058fb809c

[3] ttp://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=f1340031d3e25504f5712bcb1&id=d462cc22b0&e=7058fb809c

[4] ttps://www.fitsnews.com/2017/02/22/usc-ranks-among-worst-campuses-for-free-speech/

[5] ttp://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/30/young-americans-liberty-forced-backtrack-employee-suggests-barring-milo/

[6] ttp://www.thecollegefix.com/post/27637/

[7] ttps://archive.li/Vy9D7

[8] ttps://archive.fo/jmlrp

[9] ttps://archive.fo/nj6AB

[10] "CPAC speaker booed for APPLAUDING gay group invite", [1], The Daily Caller, February 19, 2010 Archived 26 May 2010 at the Wayback Machine

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