Talk:Yarsanism

Some mistakes i found in this Wikipedia about yarsanism

As an yarsani (yari) follower I found some mistakes in this Wikipedia that i can’t change first: yarsanism in not a abrahamic religion and we are not Abraham follower second: yarsanism is not a ethnic religion or private religion it’s just a religion followed mostly by gorani (hawrami) kurds, in 14th century Thousands of people converted to yarsanism there is no evidence in the Yari religious scriptures that conversion to Yari faith is prohibitedor that Yarsani are only born into the faith according to our religion and our spiritual leaders and famous yarsani follower (Ali Akbar Moradi) the yari community do not propagate or encourage others to convert to Yari religion, according to Dr. Moradi, some people might misunderstood that yarsanism is a private religion, we can’t claim what yarsanism is without proof or evidence, so please someone change it Slavyari (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, you´re right, but I want to point out, that the article also makes classification as Iranian religion and Abrahamic is not mantioned because Yarsanism follows Abraham, but because of parallels with Abrahamic religions like names of angels etc. and according Hamzee, M. Rezaa (1990), The Yaresan: a sociological, historical, and religio-hisotrical study of a Kurdish community, Islamkundliche Untersuchungen, during ritual for blood sacrifices Sayyed says word "Allah" and Allah isn´t word which is in Yarsanism unusual. (It´s on the page 168, I´ve read also in some cases is during some performance said takbir (Allahu Akbar) and word Allah in Arabic is the same as word Allah in Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) and comes etymologically from Hebrew word Ellohim (royal plural for Elloh) which comes from cannanite "El" what means "deity" and that´s the reason why yarsani angels have names which end whith "-el" (Gabri-EL, Azra-EL, Micha-EL). So if Yaris call their deity "Allah" it´s clear conection to abrahamic God ´cause it comes from Cannan which is home of Abrahamic religions and it´s origin-place of names like Gabriel, Rafael and El himself. From cannanite El comes Ellohim in Judaism, Allah in early Christianity (Aramaic is not used as liturgical language anymore, with exceptions) and Allah in Islam (All 3 Abrahamic religions) and Yarsanism. This article is not based on faith, it´s not theological article, your personal beliefs do not play a role here and no one is forcing you to believe that Yarsanism has anything to do with Abrahamic religions or that the words Allah and Gabriel etc. have etymological origins in Canaanite words, but this is a scientific article and I'm not saying that the scientific method is the right one, you can be right and I'm wrong, but wikipedia makes it the scientific method and not the method of personal beliefs (although science can be wrong and your personal beliefs may be right), therefore the classification Abrahamic religion has its role here. Dr. Ivan Kučera (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

As yarsani myself i never been told that our religion is Abrahamic (obviously cause it’s not) after all it depends on yarsani individual but putting (Abrahamic may also cause confusion) in Abrahamic religion they believe in hell and heaven, which we yarsani don’t and we believe in Reincarnation instead, our religion is spiritual religion, but anyway let’s push that apart but what is up with yarsani and type of ethnic??? 185.187.78.45 (talk) 01:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, no one ever had to teach you that Yarsanism is an Abrahamic religion, it is a scientific category. For example I went to Roman Catholic religion classes at school for 7 years and I was never taught that Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, but if I had attended religious studies instead, they would have told me that for sure. To hell and heaven, according to The Yaresan : a sociological, historical and religio-historical study of a Kurdish community / M. Reza Hamzeh'ee. Berlin : Schwarz, 1990 (page 129) Yarsanists believe in 2 types of heaven/paradise and a day of judgment, but souls incarnate until the day of judgment (which happens at the end of the world) and only after passing through at least 1001 reincarnations will they find themselves on the day of judgment , where their sins can be forgiven. (Most of that study is based on what was written by Nur Ali Elahi and his father Hajj Nematollah who were members of one particular Khandan, so it is possible that other Khandans believe in different theologies, may I ask which Khandan you belong to?) And in other sources (not very reliable) I read that Yarsanists also believe in hell.

And besides, you completely missed my point, I said that Abrahamic religion is because God is called Allah, which comes from Abrahamic religions, etc. And to the ethnic part, it does not mean that all Yarsanists are Kurds, it refers to ethnoreligious group what is people who are unified by a common religious and ethnic background with common social character, historical experience, and theological beliefs. It is divided into 3 parts: Ethnic fusion (Yazidis) Ethnic religon (Greeks and Greek orthodoxy) Yaris go into this category amd Religious ethnicity (Muslims as an ethnic group in Balkans) For example not all people who profess Greek Orthodoxy are Greeks, and the fact that not all Greeks are Orthodox (and that anybody can convert to Greek Orthodoxy) does not mean that it is not an ethnoreligious group, it is enough that Greeks profess Greek Orthodoxy and this part of Greeks have common history and social structure . The same Yarsanists, in order to qualify as an ethnoreligious group, it is enough to have a substantial connection with some ethnic group (Kurds), which affects their social structure, and they have a common faith and historical experience that distinguishes them from others. Dr. Ivan Kučera (talk) 21:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Yarsanism is not Abrahamic

It’s not. SAYITWITHYOURCHEST (talk) 06:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)