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Article on Abhira reference in 13th century book [Yadavabhyudaya][edit]

Vedanta Yadavabhyudaya book [1] Desikan was a Sri Vaishnava Acharya who lived in the 13th century. He was instrumental in saving the Sri Rangam temple from the Muslim invasions. Vadakalai Sri Vaishnavas follow Vedanta Desikan’s teachings, in contrast to Thenkalai Sri Vaishnavas who follow the teachings of Pillai Lokacharya and Manavala Mamunigal.

In any case, the Yadavabhyudayam is a Sanskrit epic poem composed by Vedanta Desikan about the story of Krishna’s childhood. It is modeled after Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsa, a Sanskrit epic poem about the life of Rama.

निक्ात्ययस्नानसष्ठचतानां निश्िप्तमाभीरक्रिशोर्किणाम्‌ ।

कूलादुपाद्‌ाय दुङ्लजाहं इन्दाषिषूठो पु्दे भृङन्दः ॥ ४७ ॥ chapter 4.

Sri Krishna rejoiced (by freely seeing them naked) having ascended a Kunda tree, taking a number of silk sarees from the bank, kept there by the abhira-cowherd-Virgins, when they entered the water to bath in the early morning (as part of their vow).

suggestion to who so ever, trying to protect the article, please update the page as necessary for thankless effort. Clrsitusinsall (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on Abhira or Ahir[edit]

One can refer gamit of articles Yadav_(disambiguation) by various communities including historical, mythological reference, pre-sanskritization, sanskritization, modern, post-indepdence. Good to improve this articles using pre-sanskritization reference for example:

A book written long before sanskritisation by James Todd "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan 1829" ^[1]

References

^ James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

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chang traditionally non-elite to elite and non-elite Gouravwikie (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Please provide a reliable source RegentsPark (comment) 22:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the logic behind calling a caste as “non-elite” AkkuDreamz (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AkkuDreamz It is described as such in independent sources. Since castes traditionally have a hierarchy, it makes sense to mention its position in the hierarchy. —C.Fred (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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non-elite ==> Elite Sushilyadav27 (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 16:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the phrase “non-elite” seems to be based on discriminatory bias and is unacceptable. There is no such reference in the India literature both mythological and genealogical.

It should be removed AkkuDreamz (talk) 17:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AkkuDreamz The phrase "non-elite" is included in a quote from one of the sources. —C.Fred (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: According to Lucia Michelutti, the Yadavs are elite and non-elite community. 2409:4085:9D89:8255:0:0:8149:B906 (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the quotation to back that up? —C.Fred (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Lucia Michelutti, Amongst the Ahir/Yadav caste we find rajas, zamindars, sepoys, and cowherders who have been conceived and categorised either as warriors and as belonging to the Kshatriya varna, or as lower caste and belonging to the Shudra varna.https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Vernacularisation_of_Democracy/sOYJEAAAQBAJ?hl=en 2409:4085:9D89:8255:0:0:8149:B906 (talk) 09:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred please look into this there is only one source that is mentioning non elite, most of the sources describe yadavs as traditionally agricultural and well to do community. 2409:4050:EB8:A49A:54BA:BC28:F5C3:D683 (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you need to wait for some admin to cross the human age, and AI to take over and fix the mistake of few bunch of political admins, who can not see through thecm3ss created in the article.

The article become abstract of a preferred author of the idiotic admin practice.

sorry to see wikipedia is still taken seriously by anyone.

just declare wikipedia page is hijacked by few interest groups, and no meaningful change is possible, until all theses folks live through old age and time and AI take over to fix this page.

I am waiting. Clrsitusinsall (talk) 05:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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change "traditionally non-elite, peasant-pastoral communities" to traditionally agricultural community. As most of the castes identified along with Yadavs like Jat, earlier the page Jat had non elite as well but it is now removed or the other castes like Gujjar which are even considered lower in hierarchy than Ahirs and Jats also do not mention something like this. I think this is the Major problem in this page, seniors edtors may have a look. Refrences ^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7] Brandon42Paul (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting Refrences

Page Number 28 of Government of India Official District Gazetteer of Gurgaon

^[8] 2409:4050:2ECD:BEBA:E9F1:C933:AD5F:26E3 (talk) 15:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting reference

Martial Races of undivided India by Vidya Prakash Tyagi 2409:4050:2E33:6440:496F:1C74:4C85:D621 (talk) 01:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

[Abhira-1] James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

[2] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Other_Lucknow/fjO6DQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PT49&printsec=frontcover

[3] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Geographical_Review_of_India/J4E7AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[4] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Post_Disaster_Reconstruction_and_Change/UXbWBwtRXGsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA85&printsec=frontcover

[5] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Report_of_the_Backward_Classes_Commissio/aH3aAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[6] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Followers_of_Krishna/p69GMA226bgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA182&printsec=frontcover

[7] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Religion_Caste_and_Politics_in_India/XAO3i_gS61wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=yadavs+well+to+do+caste&pg=PA475&printsec=frontcover

[8] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Rajasthan/vm_KCE4XXPMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+rajasthan&printsec=frontcover

[9] ttps://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s3d79c6256b9bdac53a55801a066b70da3/uploads/2020/10/2020101386.pdf

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