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Mosaic[edit]

The article says, "One of the Vickers mosaics is preserved in the New York Transit Museum." Is the one in the picture the mentioned one? Vcohen (talk) 06:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Here is the same part of the museum on Google Maps Street View. Vcohen (talk) 06:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And this seems to be one of these mosaics while still in the station. Vcohen (talk) 20:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That looks like a Robert Fulton boat. So, I am not sure, but this is probably not the station's mosaic. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, which of my links do you mean? The last one is certainly from this station. Do you mean these are two different boats? Vcohen (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. It isn't Fulton Street after all. I was mistaken; I mistook this station's mosaic with the mosaic in the Fulton Street Lexington Avenue Line station. In retrospect, this could be the preserved Vickers mosaic. Epicgenius (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Page Title[edit]

At this point, we have a few options for the page title. This is a situation where it might be better to expand the title a little, as station signage says "World Trade Center". --Captian Cavy (talk) 17:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is there to discuss? The source says “WTC Cortlandt” is the correct name. Cards84664 (talk) 17:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, the signage conflicts with the station name. --Captian Cavy (talk) 17:08, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok? This isn’t the only case of that happening. Cards84664 (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll pick this back up once the pictures get uploaded. Cards84664 (talk) 17:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WTC is short for "World Trade Center". Generally we don't use abbreviations to describe the full title of an object unless they are primarily known by their abbreviation, per WP:ACRONYMTITLE. I don't see any evidence that the "WTC" abbreviation is the proper name of the station (some of the signs and media spell out the full name), so we should use the full "World Trade Center" title. That's also why the previous name of this article was "Cortlandt Street" and not "Cortlandt St.". epicgenius (talk) 17:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And I see the MTA refers to this station as "WTC Cortlandt Street". That makes things more confusing. The wall signs say "World Trade Center", the columns say "WTC Cortlandt", and all this time the media have been saying "Cortlandt Street". epicgenius (talk) 18:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
At this point we might end up with World Trade Center–Cortlandt Street (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) --Captian Cavy (talk) 19:43, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have a few options:

  1. World Trade Center–Cortlandt Street
  2. World Trade Center–Cortlandt
  3. WTC–Cortlandt
  4. WTC Cortlandt
  5. WTC Cortlandt Street

I think the fourth one is what the MTA is going with. Especially given data entry 328 here. epicgenius (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your edits. It should go to WTC Cortlandt.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow I didn't think the MTA would actually update that data so quickly. But yes, I agree that it should be #4. Also, the source on the article exclusively says WTC Cortlandt and even instructs conductors to not announce it as the fully spelled out "World Trade Center". I do wish the MTA would be consistent with signage, but until we have a decent timeframe to determine a common name, it should be WTC Cortlandt. -- rellmerr (talk page • contribs) 02:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 September 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: To be moved by an administrator to WTC Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line), as per discussion below. Davidng913 (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]


World Trade Center–Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) → WTC Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) – Per discussion above. Cards84664 (talk) 02:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Cards84664 (talk) 17:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This has been noted in the lead of the article. The Transit app and Apple Maps have updated their data feeds provided by the MTA. The clear consensus is "WTC Cortlandt". I am certain that Google Maps and Bing Maps will soon follow. Cards84664 (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The signage often differs from the official name (for example, 71-Continental Avs vs. Forest Hills–71st Avenue). We don't take it into account in article names. Vcohen (talk) 09:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bad example, that was a former name being phased out. That and the MTA never uses ordinal indicators (-st, -nd, -rd, -th). Cards84664 (talk) 13:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"World Trade Center" is a part of a former name as well. Vcohen (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Moot point then, if it was never dropped and it's still signed on the platform (which it is). If today's signage still says 71-Continental Avs, the name isn't entirely discontinued, and should be mentioned in the lead as an alternate, not as a former name. Cards84664 (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly, it should be mentioned in the lead. Not in the title, however. Vcohen (talk) 16:58, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you're mentioning the alternate names in the lead, you can just change one word ("formerly known as" to "also known as"). The infobox parameters say "Former/other names", not that there's much of a difference in this case. On the other hand, this station was known simply as Cortlandt Street for the past 17 years, so there's that. epicgenius (talk) 23:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Those abbreviations are consistent. The E station is listed as "World Trade Center" (not "WTC"), and the R/W station is listed as "Cortlandt St" (not just "Cortlandt"). Vcohen (talk) 10:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
True, but we title the R/W station as Cortlandt Street (BMT Broadway Line). The names on the MTA developer data files are intended for mapping applications where conciseness is key. We don't have to slavishly follow that. Also note that "World Trade Center" is a name with world-wide recognition.--agr (talk) 15:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
True, but we are basing names on official sources, not a sense of notability. Cards84664 (talk) 18:08, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that Wikipedia has a guideline explaining that DON’T necessarily use the official names for things. Blueboar (talk) 19:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, a guideline. WP:NAMECHANGES says "we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change is announced." New York Times, Independent, CBS News, NBC New York, and CBS New York to name a few. Cards84664 (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: StudiesWorld (talk · contribs) 19:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): The article is readable and well-written. b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): The article is generally well-layed out and is effectively summarized in the lede.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): In general, it looks good. I note that there are some appropriately used primary sources and that nycsubway.org seems to be equivalent to a citation of a local historical group. c (OR): Some things are cited to images that I think would be best cited elsewhere. However, it is only a matter of opening the image and counting what appears, so I think it is acceptable. d (copyvio and plagiarism): No issues were found with Earwig.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): No major aspects seem to be missed. b (focused): Th article seems to be reasonably focused and give due weight to recent events.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias: This article is about a non-controversial topic, which it presents with a NPOV.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.: I found no recent edits indicative of content disputes.
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): All images are either appropriately licensed or used with appropriate non-free use rationale. b (appropriate use with suitable captions): All images have appropriate captions. However, none of the images have alt-text.
  7. Overall: Overall, it is a very good article.
    Pass/Fail:

Requested move 28 May 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus with no prejudice against renomination after the closure of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC. There is disagreement on how preexisting conventions for article titles of NYC subway stations should be reconciled with WP:PRECISION and WP:USSTATION. Some editors have called for a broader discussion, which has been initiated in this RfC. Please defer to the results of the RfC. (non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 03:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WTC Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) → WTC Cortlandt (EDIT: or WTC Cortlandt station) – no disambiguating qualifier needed, per WP:PRECISION and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations). WTC Cortlandt currently redirects here, and this is the primary (only) Wikipedia topic for that title. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:54, 28 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there  16:04, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relist note: members of WikiProjects that have banners on this page have been notified of this requested move. Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there  16:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, the fact that "WTC Cortlandt" was available seems to have been missed in the last discussion or editors though it was OK since many others are disambiguated but the guidelines are quite clear that we only disambiguate when necessary and it doesn't seem so here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd support WTC Cortlandt station, but I need more input.
@C16sh:@Czar:@DanTD:@Epicgenius:@Gfoley4:@LRG5784:@Kew Gardens 613:@Mackensen:@Mitchazenia:@Oknazevad:@Pi.1415926535:@Station1:@Train2104:@Theoallen1:.
I'll also paste the outcome of the last discussion that fizzled out for anyone else that's interested. Here. Cards84664 (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here we go again with your failed attempt of "enforcing the rules". Watch this get shut down for the umpteenth time and your attempt to try to force this hand of bureaucracy on others turns into a flop.
Better luck next time I guess 😂 —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 16:46, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus you disagree with isn't simply "enforcing the rules" or "bureaucracy". I am hope that the continued attempts to game the system of WP:CONSENSUS through WP:LOCALCONSENSUS and WP:FAITACCOMPLI will be corrected. It seemed they had been in the last discussion; they will be eventually, even while you try to make this personal instead of addressing the issue. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:09, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on hoping...or should I say dreaming... —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 18:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Close?[edit]

I would like to request that this discussion be closed. There is no consensus to move the page and there hasn't been any consensus for the past 12-13 years to move pages with similar title situations. We are beating a deadhorse and instead about improving the encyclopedia with reputable content we worry about technical nonsense. IAR exists for a reason, and unless certain people stop worrying about these mundane technicalities this place will continue to come up short to bureaucracy. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 23:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is consensus on how to name these pages (WP:PRECISION, WP:USSTATION, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/New York City Subway/Station naming convention#Moving forward), despite some editors' attempts to revive the dead horse. Unless they stop bureaucratically insisting on these foolish consistencies, the attempts to improve the encyclopedia will keep coming up. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with JHJ that this is just local consensus, its long-standing consensus that we don't usually use brackets or commas unless there part of the name (like Barugh (Great and Little) and Horwood, Lovacott and Newton Tracey). Unless we're leaving the base names for articles on the general areas to be created. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JHunterJ:You obviously don't know what you're talking about. If we are still discussing this matter now, then there is obviously no consensus.
You are taking following every single Wikipedia policy and guideline to heart. Every time this discussion arises, it goes nowhere. Just let it go already, it's not as serious as you make it out to be. As long as people like you exist it just makes every contributor's lives harder because of users like you that like to wave the bureaucratic finger everywhere. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 18:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You obviously don't understand WP:CONSENSUS. By all means, just get on board already, it's not as serious as you make it out to be. As long as people like you exist is just makes every contributor's life harder because of users like you who like to wave the local consensus finger everywhere. (And if you'll stop making it personal, I'll stop illustrating how absurd those arguments are through simple rewording in line to make them line up with the actual project policies.)-- JHunterJ (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're a joke and so are your admin skills. Don't even try to dissuade yourself from that notion.
This discussion is pointless. Go worry about some users vandalizing or answer to messages on WP:AN/I and quit acting like you have better judgment on everything, because you don't. Good day to you sir! I'm proposing to have this discussion closed now. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 19:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please add WP:NPA to you reading list. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Argument in favor of the current naming convention for WP:NYCPT transit articles[edit]

Feel free to check out this discussion from 2007 about naming convention conflicts first being brought up here. Case in point, while the titles may be long, the way the project is doing things now is simple and clean, and people that have decided to contribute have conformed to the project's standards that there are far less ppl challenging it than those who are. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And please read WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, which points out why that's wrong. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
😂😂😂😂 You're hilarious!!! —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 19:52, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC[edit]

There is currently an RfC to discuss the naming of articles for NYC Subway stations. StudiesWorld (talk) 01:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Layout[edit]

@Vzeebjtf and Kew Gardens 613: I don't think we need a separate section for the station layout diagram, and the description of the station. As far as I'm concerned, these subjects are one and the same. epicgenius (talk) 03:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Events on 9/11[edit]

There seems to be very little on what happened in the station on the day itself aside from the damage substantiated. Was there any injuries or fatalities inside station or was it full evacuated before anything could occur (was it even open at the time)? Some minor details answering these questions would be helpful.86.176.125.223 (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to heroic train crews, there were no fatalities in the New York City Subway on 9/11.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Station layout[edit]

If this is the article the WTC Cortdlandt station, why does the station layout show two other stations? These layout diagrams are already kinds of confusing as it is to then be showing an entire complex of separate stations. In fact, there is a note further down that station that makes clear that there are separately controlled for fares. I get that they are all connected, but that's what the "connections" field is for in a station article infobox. Criticalthinker (talk) 04:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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