Talk:Womyn's land/Archive 1

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@Mtgoetz1: I've edited/contributed to this long-overdue article and have been remiss in not thanking you for creating it. Mille grazie per il suo contributo. :-) Pyxis Solitary (talk) 06:56, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I would like to see this article further improved. Who else might be interested in working on it? AnaSoc (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

some missing material:

• Lesbian Land, by Joyce Chency (now out of print)
• Oregon Lesbian Land manuscript archives overview https://researchguides.uoregon.edu/lesbian-lands
• Shewolf's Directory of Womyn's Lands (2012 is the sixth edition, and has interviews with some key participants)
• Anahita, Sine. "Nestled Into Niches: Prefigurative Communities on Lesbian Land." Journal of Homosexuality, 56 (2009):719.
• Anahita, Sine. "Rivers of Ideas, Participants, and Praxis: The Benefits and Challenges of Confluence in the Landdyke Movement." Research in Political Sociology 13, edited by Lisa K. Waldner, Betty A. Dobratz, and Timothy Buzzell.
• https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jpmdky/whos-killing-the-womens-land-movement
• https://www.vogue.com/projects/13532936/pride-2017-lesbians-on-the-land-essay/

AnaSoc (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Seeing no objections to improving the article, I will begin work.AnaSoc (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I added content about the Sanctificationists, and added more sources, focusing on academic research instead of newspaper articles. The article still needs more work, so if you are interested, please chime in. There may be too much content about lesbian separatism. Many historical lands did not practice lesbian separatism, and many contemporary lands have heterosexual women as residents. Perhaps the content about lesbian separatism can be streamlined?AnaSoc (talk) 03:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

what about adding a section about novels about womyn's land? There's Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman. I can't recall the names of two of the others; perhaps someone else will remember? There's the one where lesbians stole the space station and established a womyn's colony on another planet. Then there is the one about womyn who had discovered a way to conceive children without sperm, but then their utopia was disrupted when a man came. Does anyone remember the names? And perhaps could suggest additional novels about womyn's land?AnaSoc (talk) 04:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Finally remembered the names of the books, and added them. Also added to the Criticism section, adding Camp Sister Spirit and The Sanctificationists with new citations.AnaSoc (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Propose new section on Purposes or Missions

I suggest that we write a new section describing the purposes or missions of womyn's lands and the womyn's land movement. Kate Ellison wrote about this here https://www.ic.org/wiki/lesbian-intentional-community-yer-around-ya/ We could also link to the Seneca Women's Encampment https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Seneca_Women%27s_Encampment_for_a_Future_of_Peace_and_Justice which Ellison notes was an early womyn's land for a specific purpose. Camp Sister Spirit was also founded for different purposes than just (just!) empowering women, e.g. Lynch, Thomas P. (1995). "Camp Sister Spirit: A retreat under siege". Mediation Quarterly. 13 (2): 151–163. doi:10.1002/crq.3900130208. ISSN 1536-5581.AnaSoc (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Some of the lands espouse ecofeminism, while others work towards food security for residents and communities, e.g. CSAs. Seneca Women's Encampment worked for peace and nuclear disarmament. Camp Sister Spirit has been transformed into a folk school. Bold Moon is now a wilderness preserve. Might be cool to discuss the different principles and missions of some of the lands, which would allow us to include lesbian separatism as one of many principles of the womyn's land movement.

Also a section about the womyn's land movement itself, not just the concept of womyn's land. AnaSoc (talk) 00:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Citing sources

A reminder when adding new references: Per WP:CITE: "Each article should use one citation method or style throughout. If an article already has citations, preserve consistency by using that method."
Also, if you cite more content from an existing cited source (for example: Separatism and Women's Community by Dana R. Shugar / ref name="Shugar1", "Shugar2", "Shugar3", "Shugar4"), reference the new material with the same book citation style and ref name. Wikipedia made adding citations easier to do by including automatically formatted Templates in the editing toolbar: Cite > Templates > cite web | cite news | cite book | cite journal. Choose the template you need and add info into fields. Click "Show/hide extra fields" for additional fields (e.g. Archive URL / Archive date). Pyxis Solitary talk 09:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes, talk. When I tried to use the automatic template on this article, it put first names in the place of last names, and last names in the place of first names. This is the only article where I have had this trouble. Can you point me to a page where I can learn how to do the citations the way you suggested? Thanks.AnaSoc (talk) 00:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

What you experienced is odd, because I've never had that happen. I'm going to test "Cite > Templates > cite web" on this page with a faux source. Here it is:

<ref>{{cite web|last1=Last|first1=First|title=Millenial Wasting|url=https://www.tumblr.com|website=Shiver Me Timbers|accessdate=10 June 2018 |date=June 10, 2018}}</ref>

^ That's the format I always get. (I tailor real citations by moving "date=" ahead of "accessdate=".) Could it be your browser? I switch between Opera and Firefox. Try experimenting on your Sandbox. Let me know if it continues to happen to you. Pyxis Solitary talk 08:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, talk. I use Chrome. Not sure what the problem is, but today I just went in and fixed citations manually. At least I hope I got them right, e.g. to match previous citations. Thanks for your work, and for helping out with the citations.AnaSoc (talk) 00:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Where are you getting your templates from? Access date is not added, for example, as "access-date=2018-06-10" ... it's "10 June 2016". And why are you still using numbers for ref names, such as <ref name=":0" /> <ref name=":1" />? The point of naming ref names with something associated with the source (author last name, partial name of publication, etc.) is that it makes them easier to find in the source screen. Wikipedia strives to be accessible to all editors, including those with visual disorders. An editor with dyscalculia may find numeral ref names difficult. You'd be doing a good service to this and other articles if you followed Wikipedia's guideline about using one existing citation method throughout.
Re Chrome: I stopped using it when I discovered that it downloads updates and other files without your permission. And you can't erase Chrome from your system by just uninstalling it because it's sneaky ... you have to manually find and delete every leftover folder and file associated with Chrome. Pyxis Solitary talk 09:00, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I do want to conform! Point me to a page that describes the step-by-step process. I thought I did it right this time :( Sorry to disappoint. Help me out and point me to detailed instructions, please.AnaSoc (talk) 02:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Make sure that you have the editing toolbar selected in your preferences: Preferences > Editing > Show edit toolbar
Follow instructions in the RefTools video.
The rules for refnames is here.
As the above-referenced Wikipedia guideline states, articles should use one citation method throughout. You can always just copy an exiting citation as an example, use its format to create a new citation, and then add the new one to the article. Pyxis Solitary talk 06:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks so much!AnaSoc (talk) 01:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Pyxis Solitary talk 06:47, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

add to WikiProject Sociology

{{WikiProject Sociology|class=C |importance=low |Social movements=yes|attention=yes|needs-infobox=yes}} AnaSoc (talk) 01:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The banner is added to the shell at the top. Pyxis Solitary 12:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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