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Early Years - 166 Locomotives?

The text claims 166 locomotives were constructed in Wolverton Works. I suggest that this is fanciful and the number was more like 10 or 12. Most Bloomers were built by outside contractors.--194.74.0.10 (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say 166? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the "Early Years" section - "A total of 166 locomotives were built at Wolverton, the last of them in September 1863."--194.74.0.10 (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As the text has now been modified using MK Museum as a source to state that 166 locomotives were constructed at Wolverton, I would like to refer the article to the writings of H. Jack, who uses company records and order books as his source. H. Jack gives the number of of Bloomers constructed at Wolverton as only 10, LNWR numbers 389 to 398. The rest of the Bloomer locos were made by: Sharp Bros.,Manchester; Sharp, Stewart & Co., Manchester; Kitson & Hewitson, Leeds. Wolverton overhauled many engines before the work was moved to Crewe, but it was never a significant manufacturer of locomotive engines. --82.1.182.234 (talk) 22:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, I believe that the unattributed MK Museum web page is inaccurate and unreliable as a source. --86.54.181.194 (talk) 10:46, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the MK Heritage/MK Museum web page used in citation 1 is being interpreted incorrectly for the article. The web-page cited (1) : "In 1859 thirty four engines were transferred from Crewe to Wolverton" but the wiki article has them going in the other direction: "In 1859 (........) After 34 Wolverton built locomotives were moved to Crewe railway works in the same year,".--86.54.181.194 (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no doubt that 166 locomotives were built at Wolverton, including two nominal 'rebuilds' (Crampton 4-2-0 'London' rebuilt as an 0-4-2 in 1855, and Crampton 6-2-0 'Liverpool' rebuilt as an 0-6-0 in 1859). ^[1]. The statement about the 34 locos transferred seems rather muddled. In January 1860 the Southern Division of the LNWR took over a part of the Northern Division from Rugby to Stafford, and for this extra work 34 engines were transferred from the N Div to the S Div, being renumbered in the S Div list from 320 to 353.^[2]Hyjack7 (talk) 12:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Harry Jack: Locomotives of the LNWR Southern Division
^ Harry Jack: Locomotives of the LNWR Southern Division

WWII Bombing

Anecdotally; the bombs that fell on the area hit New Bradwell (Which is not a village as the current text suggests). No bombs are known to have landed on Wolverton (unless some are still hidden) as all fell east of the Grand Union canal seperating Wolverton and New Bradwell. The area around Grafton Street and Fingle Drive now known as Stonebridge, as well as the Corner Pin end of New Bradwell are where the stick fell. During the construction of the Grafton Street link to the bottom of Station Hill a UXB was uncovered. It is likely that these bombs were a jettison aimed at secondary target of the railway line following aborted raids elsewhere, possibly W.Midlands.

Newport Pagnell also took a bomb on Wolverton Road opposite Red House.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.18.73.199 (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It would appear that the suggestion that bombs were dropped on the Wolverton side of the railway is completely unsubstantiated.--82.9.70.201 (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further, Bucks County Council records confirm one device landed on Wolverton dropped by an aircraft during WW2. This was a friendly (RAF) target training device and had no explosive or incendiary capability. I am removing the false claim that Luftwaffe bombs landed on the Wolverton side of the railway.^[1]82.9.70.201 (talk) 18:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/online-resources/bombs-over-bucks/

End of the line

Until I deleted it, the article said For some years, Wolverton was the northern end-point of this line, from where passengers would transfer into horse-drawn vehicles. This contradicts other evidence and needs to be supported. "Pictorial history of Milton Keynes" says that that they got off at Stephenson's bridge in Denbigh to get straight onto Watling Street --Concrete Cowboy 18:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it's in Sir Frank Markham's book "History of MK". Roy Nesbitt(?) at Stantonbury Campus would know. (as in his marvellous musicla prodiced in the 1970's)

Johnbibby 21:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously if you can find the reference in Markham's book, that would be excellent and allow reinstatement. --Concrete Cowboy 17:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Frank Markham's History of Milton Keynes and District Volume 2 (1986 reprint) in the chapter "The Coming of the Railways" there is a section "Denbigh Hall" on page 67 that confirms it was Denbigh from April 1838 until the line was fully open in September 1838. --WyvernAlumni 18:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

21st century

The fire station and bath house were actually demolished- there is a shop with the legend 'LNWR fire station (and date) but this is a new build).

Also, the warehouses on the former sidings do not receive deliveries by rail!

Ammended

DST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.232.193 (talk) 02:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to the British Rail Class 442 article, they have recently been refurbished at Wolverton. Anyone with a cursory glance at this article about the works themselves would never guess it. It makes virtually no mention of the fact that the works are still (or at least, were recently) in use. I don't have the info and sources to sort this right now, but suggest this is a priority. Maybe a review of the WP:Lead section would be useful. --Peeky44 _{What's on your mind?} 20:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have improved. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed that the "Wolverton bend" was built to bypass the Works

At Wolverton railway station#Wolverton bend and Northampton Loop, there is a statement that the bend was built to bypass the works. "Everybody knows" that this is true, but does anyone have a book that actually says so? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about Jack, Harry (2001). Greenwood, William (ed.). Locomotives of the LNWR Southern Division. Sawtry: RCTS. p. 34. ISBN 0-901115-89-4.? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Harry Jack: Locomotives of the LNWR Southern Division

[2] Harry Jack: Locomotives of the LNWR Southern Division

[3] ttp://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/online-resources/bombs-over-bucks/

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