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On 18 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Wolf Man (film). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 18 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus leans towards opposition to the move. The majority of the participating editors have expressed concerns about ambiguity and potential confusion with other similarly titled films. The policy WP:SMALLDETAILS has been interpreted by the majority to mean that the absence of "The" is not a substantial enough detail to distinguish the 2024 film from the classic 1941 film or other related films. Therefore, it would be reasonable to maintain the current title with the year disambiguation for clarity and to avoid confusion. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf Man (2024 film) → Wolf Man (film) – This is the only movie with the title of Wolf Man. We do not need to specify the year. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 02:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I don't agree with this. Even if there's no specific other film called "Wolf Man", there is still a significant number of films called "The Wolf Man/Wolfman" to merit further distinguishing. Rusted AutoParts 02:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the absence of "The" generally doesn't distinguish per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per Crouch, Swale. The Wolf Man (1941) is the once and future classic, and is the original that the 2024 film is "rebooting". Randy Kryn (talk) 01:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Clearly ambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Looking at some examples incorporating the space and "The" in the titles: The Wolfman (film) is not disambiguated by year from The Wolf Man (1941 film); The Dead Pool is not disambiguated from Deadpool (2016 film); The Suicide Squad (film) is similarly not disambiguated from Suicide Squad (2016 film); and of course The Daughter of the Regiment (1953 film) and Daughter of the Regiment (1953 film) . I believe WP:SMALLDETAILS actually lends credence to moving this page, as no film is called "Wolf Man" only "The Wolf Man" which other articles clearly showing that having "The" in the title is not enough. Yeoutie (talk) 16:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree spacing may be sufficient per SMALLDETAILS but I don't think the absence of "The" distinguishes. Everything titled "The Foo" is generally indexed as "Foo, The" and can easily be referred to as "The Foo" or The "Foo". SMALLDETAILS generally works with the likes of The Wörld Is Yours as no other topic is likely to be searched/called with the diacritic while the films could easily be with or without "The". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. If we allow Ocean's Eleven and Ocean's 11, we can allow this. Policy says, "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are often sufficient to distinguish topics." We have wolf man (disambiguation) covering all of the films and just need to guide readers to that where needed. The simple fact is that on Wikipedia, it is not that readers are supposed to know just from the article title alone what the topic is. (You don't see us adding "(YYYY film)" to all film article titles.) We have short descriptions, hatnotes, disambiguation-page descriptions, search-result summaries, and so forth for that. The point of disambiguation is to make technical distinctions between topics' names to categorically sort them out. If small details exist, we don't need to get into parenthetical-disambiguation territory. If small details don't exist, then we do. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Within wiki rules this makes sense, but the average person trying to look this up or various other films that are still looked at, I don't think that many people are going to get what they want. Honestly, I'd even put the years up for those Oceans 11/Eleven films Erik mentioned. Not so much for The Dead Pool and Deadpool. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I think we should have a werewolf film article (just made that link redirect to werewolf fiction for now). It could replace supernatural horror film which is relatively too broad. Very easy to find reliable sources about the werewolf film genre, like the book Phases of the Moon: A Cultural History of the Werewolf Film or The Werewolf Filmography: 300+ Movies or Gender and Werewolf Cinema. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree that an article could definitely be made in the vein of Vampire film and Zombie film. Could even make a list of werewolf films too if there are enough sources in a similar vein of the articles list of vampire or list of mummy films. However I don't think this could replace the genre in the lead. I couldn't find exact discussion of the rule on this topic but no Vampire or Zombie films (as examples) that I could find use their creature "genre" as its MOS:FILMGENRE so I assume the same would go for this article. Yeoutie (talk) 20:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was inspired and began Draft:List of werewolf films. Yeoutie (talk) 06:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job starting the list! Regarding the genre, vampire films and zombie films should be considered subgenres of horror films. It may simply be that people have not tried revising the opening sentences with these links, even though these articles would be more directly informative to readers than the broader horror genre article. Vampire and zombie films often have their own conventions (as well as films that try to break away from these conventions). I could definitely see the same for werewolf films. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 11:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]