Talk:Winx Club/Archive 3

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Stella and Darcy VAs

On the 4Kids dub of the series, there are multiple claims to who voices Stella and Darcy.

Stella:

• Caren Manuel – her biographical writeup in Cutting Room NYC. HERE. Other news articles mention that she was involved in Winx Club but does not specify her role: IndieGogo self profile writeup HERE Boston.com HERE and TV Guide HERE
• Amy Birnbaum – Vincent Terrace's book HERE Doing a search on "amy birnbaum winx club" shows her name listed among the leads for DVD sales

Darcy:

• Caren Manuel – her biographical writeup in Cutting Room NYC. (see listing above under Stella)
• Kathleen Delaney – Vincent Terrace's book (see above)

The closing credits for 4Kids do not specify the roles, but Caren Manuel is listed among the Lead voices, whereas Birnbaum and Delaney are not listed. Birnbaum is listed among the DVD listing for Netflix: "Liza Jacqueline, Amy Birnbaum, Lisa Ortiz, Kerry Williams, Gregory Abbey, Dan Green, Michael Sinterniklaas, Caren Manuel, Suzy Myers, Christina Rodriguez, Dani Schaffel, Sebastian Arcelus, Rachael Lillis" HERE and so is Caren Manuel, but the online version Netflix Watch Instantly pertains to the RAI English version which has a completely different cast list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I knew what is the mistake: early people tough that Delaney and Manuel are same person. Wikipedia and other encyclopedia's say it that Manuel voice Rouge. Manuel and Delaney voice's like's very same! But Manuel is never credit it for Sonic X and delaney is never credit it for WC. And the 2nd mistake: Imdb and other database's say it that Birnbaum vocie Stella. But she never credit it to with delaney! And I tough first that it was Lisa adams but on a email admas say it that she was a replacer for 3 episodes before the old stella came back.--Maxie1hoi (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

None of those sources are reliable. You can't use other Wikipedia articles to verify. Listening in on the actual voices is original research. IMDb is not a reliable source. And Lisa Adams email is personal correspondence so it is an unpublished source that cannot be used. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Everything Angus just wrote is correct per established Wikipedia norms. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I've removed Birnbaum and Delaney entries concerning Stella and Darcy, but left Terrace in for the other characters as they appear to be accurate for them. If you find better credits then put them in. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Maxie1Hoi added Lisa Adams for Stella based on her resume HERE but she is not listed in the closing credits. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@Anguswoof, the reason that she is not listed in credits is: She voiced Stella in 3 episodes before the old Stella come back. (email).--Maxie1hoi (talk) 16:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Lisa would need to tweet that she voiced in 3 episodes for it to be verifiable here. I have moved her credit to the footnote in the meantime. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff)

• I can email the proof to u! But it is strange why she don't saying on her resume that she was her on this 3 episodes! Caren is Darcy! But I don't believe she was Stella! Her Darcy and Stella voice are so different! I hear for Darcy Manuel but not Stella! Guys pls make a confirm who is Stella!

Maxie1Hoi, private correspondence won't help verify the credit. She would need to tweet it out. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Since this was last discussed, Greg Abbey has tweeted that Caren Manuel voiced Stella for the 4Kids version, in response to Maxie1Hoi's tweet. Abbey, Gregory [@gregoryabbey] (May 13, 2015). "Caren Manuel RT @NjaMagic: @gregoryabbey Awesome voice on winx! But who is voice it Stella? I search it long time!!" (Tweet). Retrieved November 28, 2016 – via Twitter. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:03, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

• According to Carol and Veronica! Winx actors don't recording together in the studio but seperate! So how Greg know that Manuel is Stella? If Caren saying it! Why not public on social media?--Maxie1hoi (talk) 16:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they record separately, but it doesn't mean they have no idea who else is involved on the production. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe you can ask Lisa and Caren again on Twitter to confirm. Otherwise, the sources are what they are. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• I also ask this question to Liza Kaplan few months ago on her email via nowcasting but still don't have a answer!--Maxie1hoi (talk) 16:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Why would you ask Liza about Caren's role? Just ask Caren. Or ask the 4Kids director. Stop removing just Caren Manuel from the cast. If you don't believe she is Stella, then no one is Stella, and you'll have to remove Lisa Adams too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

If she is Stella! Why wikipedia saying first Christina Rodriguez? And Adams add Stella on her resume!--Maxie1hoi (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Both Caren Manuel and Lisa Adams are claimed to be Stella. Lisa Adams isn't listed in the closing credits, but the resume has it so there's a footnote. Yes, please just leave those alone. WP:DROPIT What does Christina Rodriguez have anything to do with Stella? Where is your source for that? Netflix DVD credits only list a bunch of names. The online Winx Club episodes are for RAI version so that lists Jennifer Seguin. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:42, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I mean why wikipedia first mention it Christina rodriguez and Amy Birnbaum? They not listed! How they make this mistake!?--Maxie1hoi (talk) 20:24, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

That's why we need the sources. Anyone can edit Wikipedia articles to say whatever they want about which voice actors voice which roles, but it doesn't mean it is correct. With the sources, we can look it up to confirm or in the case of offline material, point people to places where they can confirm. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

AngusWOOF (talk · contribs) 1.How "cutting room" know the info which characters she voiced on Winx fox? They also saying 4 seasons but fox made "1 to 3"! Not more! 2.Why Caren not mention it that she is Darcy and Stella on her "Indiegogo" profile?--Maxie1hoi (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

They sponsored and publicized the event so they are going with their profile they had put out for their act. That they have posted details about how Caren dropped out of college to pursue acting and that she was the original voice for Stella and Darcy means they've probably verified this and other career details with Caren. It's not an extraordinary claim. And what does Indiegogo have to do with anything? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

• I mean why Caren don´t mentioned her roles Stella and Darcy on her Indiegogo profile. She only saying which series she voiced characters but not the name of the roles/characters!--Maxie1hoi (talk) 19:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Controversy / Unbalanced reception statement

I moved this section to the talk page as there isn't a proper Reception section to handle this, and it's a country-specific reception issue for a show that was broadcast there many years after the original version: AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:19, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

On 15 June 2017, the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) imposed a fine of Rs. 500,000 (US$ 4,772) on Nikelodeon, over the episode "The Emperor's Throne" of Winx Club in which a female cartoon character was allegedly shown indecently dressed. After airing of the content, PEMRA issued a show cause notice to the channel to explain its position and after hearing the channel's representative it was found that the channel had violated multiple clauses of the Pakistan's Electronic Media Code of Conduct 2015.

This could be revisited when the Reception is listed out for multiple countries especially the primary countries of broadcast. But for now see WP:CRIT and WP:WEIGHT doesn't justify it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC) update 12:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

References

proof Darcy Lockette Stormy

Hi, anyone have a proof that Haven is Darcy, Saskia is Stormy en Eilrrn is Lockette? Only saw at pokemon winx wiki and imdb! But i don't trust thata show real proof--Maxie1hoi (talk) 14:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

4kids

Hi, why 4kids don't show the characters for the voice actors??? Very stupid is that!! Now we don't know who us Stella. If Caren don't saying Stella!--Maxie1hoi (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I've reorganized the 4Kids section so that it just lists those who are Lead Voices. It will be up to the other sources such as tweets, books, reviews to determine who voiced whom there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:06, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Language

• The early non-4Kids English version was actually produced by Cinélume in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, and commissioned by Rainbow S.p.A., not RAI Radiotelevisione italiana as some believe. I'm going to fix that part some day.
• I recently learned that French magical girl series LoliRock was actually written and dubbed first in English, so that got me thinking. What was the actual original language of Winx Club? I noticed that, in a scene from season 1, Tecna's lips read "What?" rather than "Cosa?" in Italian.
• P.S.: Does anyone know the reason behind the Layla/Aisha name change? (Not the changes made by Nickelodeon, but the other occured earlier.)

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 17:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Do not add characters table

This series does not use star and recurring / guest star billing for their voice actors or characters so having one would be original research and not helpful. Please do not insert such a table in this article or the characters list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:40, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Season & cast info

I've been WP:BOLD and removed two repetitive sections that go against the Manual of Style. Before my edit, there were two sections of intricate detail that did not belong on the main article. First, "Plot" listed paragraphs of individual seasons' plots, which belong on the separate season pages and not this one. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Plot section, the plot given on the main article should only "summarize the core storyline," which a section ("Premise") already does. Second, there was a very long IMDb-style list of unoriginal voice actors on the main article for the dubs (only English, no other dubs). The section under "Development" about the cast seems to cover the notable voice actors of the show without turning into a list of dub voices, which if at all, should go on the List of Winx Club characters page under their roles. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Cast and characters information says that cast sections need to be written "without simply re-iterating entertainment websites such as IMDb," which is exactly what the dub voice list was. Hammill Ten (talk) 22:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The cast info can be moved to the individual seasons. The notable English dubs are credited as lists of voice actors. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure how we could do that without just using an IMDb-style list of voices from select dubs. Choosing the English dubs from external companies (which aren't any more notable than non-English ones) violates WP:WEIGHT by prioritizing info that's only relevant to English speakers, and it creates an unsubstantiated leaning toward the countries that used these dubs. Briefly describing the two original casts (that the animation was lined up to) on the main article follows MOSTV, but listing select dub voices doesn't. For this case where there are quite a few different dubs (season 3 would list four different casts, if I'm not mistaken), we should definitely avoid listing them. (This kind of info is for IMDb and the Winx Club Wiki, so I can see why MOSTV prevents reiterating these kinds of lists.) Hammill Ten (talk) 21:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Roxy

Hello guys. I am the person who pushed the Russian Winx Club article to the featured status. I'm glad to see that someone is trying to make the English article look better too. I've skimmed through it, and I've come across this phrase that I don't like: "Roxy, the fairy of animals, occasionally joins the Winx and all three of the show's production companies refer to her as the Winx Club's seventh member". It definitely is not valuable information for the article and looks to me like a Roxy fan's attempt to make a point to everybody who doesn't think she's a Winx Club member. The sources provided merely quote a DVD cover and a couple of synopses, and we all know that those are written not by the creators but by promoters who often don't have a clue about the story. At the same time, even on the official website there's just six pages that represent Winx Club members: Bloom, Stella, Flora, Musa, Aisha, Tecna. If Roxy was a Winx Club member, there would definitely be a page devoted to her on the official website, provided that it's been 10 years since she "joined the club" as some fans think. But there's not. And the only reliable source confirming she's a member would only be an official interview or a direct statement from the creators and not from DVD covers/synopses. But even despite that, I will repeat: it's not the kind of information for Wikipedia. We as well could quote everything from DVD covers and promotional materials, but we don't do so, so why is this particular case with Roxy in any way important? Let fans have their own opinions regarding something that's not officially confirmed or disproved. And that statement from the article is merely a singe fan's attempt to make their opinion look "official". If there's no reasoned objections within a week, I'm removing that. Coolak (talk) 14:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

The wording might be off (English isn't my first language) but the sentence is meant to attribute her title as the seventh member/fairy to its official sources. The paragraph needs to list all of the Winx members, and we cannot exclude the character who was repeatedly named the seventh member in the official magazine titles, episode titles, and the referenced descriptions provided by Rainbow themselves. The references are first-party/primary sources that directly state this information. Additionally, there was a MoviePlayer interview in 2009 with the creator and director of the series, Iginio Straffi, as well as producers Luca Milano and Claudia Sasso for Rai Due (some of the interview summarized here). They explained the "novelties" of the then-upcoming fourth season to MoviePlayer, providing the interviewer the information that there would be a seventh fairy. This is on top of the many other products directly from Rainbow that give Roxy the title of the seventh fairy in the club, and although a shorter version of the sentence would be fine, the fact that she was given the title of the seventh member needs to be included.

Also, any conclusions about the 2019 version of the site are original research and not verifiable. Back in 2010-2012, the official WinxClub.com website specified that there were seven fairies in the club, Roxy was on the website's header for the Winx (on all pages), and she was on all of the images captioned the Winx Club and the 'Winx Group'. All this is in addition to the episode titles, magazine titles, etc. that put it in clear terms. Just because the site no longer specifies a seventh fairy, Wikipedia should not ignore the fact that the show's producers once did market a seventh member of the club, since according to the Wikipedia manual of style for TV characters, "articles should reflect the entire history of a series" and characters who were demoted should still remain in the description. Lagoona Blue (talk) 01:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Anyone who has actually watched series 4 and 5 (to some extent, 6 and 7 too) knows that the Winx never named Roxy one of them. Even if the producers planned to add her at some time, it didn't end up happening in the episodes. You seem to think that these magazines and articles say she's the seventh "member," but all I see is "seventh fairy." Not member, not club joinee. If these sources are the best ones you can find, that's even more reason to delete that sentence. Insomnijaxx (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

The sources on the article clearly state "a seventh fairy ... Roxy will join the Winx group" and "She ... joins the Club." The title of the official magazine being "Roxy the Seventh Fairy" (Roxy la Settima Fata) is just a shortened version of that description, that she is the seventh fairy in the group. We are just looking at the official sources, not fans' interpretations of dialogue in the episodes. I've listed creator Iginio Straffi and his producers providing the information to an interviewer before the episodes even came out, the official websites from each production company naming her the seventh to join, Rainbow's season DVD titled "Roxy: the new Winx fairy," and the official magazine/merchandise with her title as the seventh in the group. I am just referencing her position as the seventh to join to the sources that called her this. Lagoona Blue (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Then why don't you include such statements for all other six fairies? Why does there have to be a separate sentence desperately trying to prove that Roxy is one of them? If she is, then there's no need to additionally point it out. Plot information doesn't need additional verification and should only be written in the context of the story. Otherwise why don't we list all arguments to support the fact that the other six fairies are also members of the club? Let's find such statements from the covers, interviews, etc. Otherwise, see WP:WEIGHT. Coolak (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm open to shortening her sentence, but it's still necessary to cite the information to its sources rather than removing this part. There isn't a specific episode that interrupts the plot to explain Roxy's role, so it's important to reference the official statements where readers can easily find this information. This is to align with the verifiability policy since people unaware of these sources have challenged the material. Lagoona Blue (talk) 16:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

People challenging something is by no means a reason to include something in the article. Unless some secondary source such as a newspaper has written about that. Coolak (talk) 22:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I was quoting the verifiability policy, which says that challenged material needs to be attributed to its sources. A description of each team member is necessary for the premise section, and it's important to make it clear to readers where a seventh member is specified. Lagoona Blue (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

And I've already told you that the fact that some DVD covers, press releases, etc. say "Roxy joins the club" is absolutely not a reason to even mention this fact. If there was a news article discussing people's opinions on her membership, saying "there's two groups of fans, one thinks she is a member, and the other thinks she's not", then and only then would it be of any importance. The sole fact that there are such two groups of fans doesn't mean that we have to prove anything in the article. Coolak (talk) 06:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't know why fan opinions are being brought up. It is a paragraph covering the members of the club, and it's necessary to attribute the information on the seventh member to the official sources. Wikipedia is built on verifiability, and it must be clear where information is coming from. Lagoona Blue (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

She is not a seventh member, it is clear from the very cartoon. And the fact that some DVD covers/synopses mentioned her as such by mistake doesn't mean we need to even mention this in the article. Not every piece of info needs to be included. Coolak (talk) 11:07, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

The statement that "it is clear from the very cartoon" is original research, as the official supplemental materials explain Roxy's role in the cartoon in very clear terms ("a seventh fairy ... Roxy will join the Winx group"). Even if she does not appear as much as the other six anymore, she was introduced as the seventh member to join, as confirmed by the producers and the production companies before/during the fourth season. The references I've provided are first-party sources directly from the companies involved with the show; third-party references from news agencies also reported this same exact information ("Roxy, the new character who will become part of the close-knit Winx group"). You said "not every piece of info needs to be included," but this information is necessary to the paragraph as it is listing the members of the Winx. To exclude the character who is blatantly called the seventh fairy on the team would be incorrect. I'm sorry, but this conversation has gone nowhere. Opinionated original research doesn't override the many official sources. I can reiterate the additional sources I've given above if you need. Lagoona Blue (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

She is never inducted in an episode of the cartoon. The "paragraph" in question is describing the plot of the cartoon, not of the comics, magazines or DVD covers. You have offered no proof that this opinionated sentence is relevant to the cartoon. Insomie (talk) 01:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry again, but I think you've been misinterpreting things. I've been linking to the first-party descriptions of the cartoon's fourth season and the interview/articles about its production. These clearly state that she is the seventh member while serving on the team in this season. Please review the sources above. Lagoona Blue (talk) 03:51, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

The cartoon's production also had Flora be white at first. Does the article have to say she's white and that's official because it was said in interviews? No, because it's not in the actual cartoon. The paragraph is about the cartoon universe, not things that were once upon a time supposed to happen in the production that never came to fruition. Insomnies (talk) 12:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

In response to above, all of the sources refer to the released/final fourth season, not anything scrapped before release. I also reverted today's change that removed Roxy from the list of Winx fairies. The reasoning that she is a secondary character shown less than the Alfea teachers doesn't apply, since she was introduced late (in the fourth season) and this list only concerns the participants in the Club. The sources do all indicate that she is a member of the Winx Club, so I'm not sure why they were brought up, unless you're looking for that exact wording ("member of the Winx Club"). There are sources with closer wordings (see my links above), but this seems trivial when the provided sources are clear to begin with. Lagoona Blue (talk) 15:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Insomie, the user Lagoona Blue thinks that you're my sockpuppet, would you please kindly continue this discussion? This is getting ridiculous, because from the cartoon it's obvious that Roxy is not a member of the Winx Club, and this user persists in including irrelevant information from misleading synopses in the article. Coolak (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I noticed an addition, saying the Winx website "refers to Roxy as to a person separate from the Club" was added without discussion. The source referenced doesn't do this; it's a plot summary of a season 4 episode that highlights Roxy separately from the other Winx, saying "Roxy and the Winx"...the same exact wording is used for Bloom, who is also a Winx ("Bloom and the Winx" on Season 6 story, page 8). I'll be removing the new content as it pretty clearly misrepresents the sources (we aren't going to say that "Bloom is a person separate from the Club" because of the website's exact same choice of words). Lagoona Blue (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Season 8

The eighth season is not a reboot. If it was, the continuity from the previous seven seasons would be ignored. The cited source doesn't even say anything about a reboot, only that the series was targeting a younger audience and that the Netflix series would cater to older fans.MarcoPolo250 (talk) 11:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I mean, I think this comes down to different translations/interpretations of the word reboot, since the season definitely fits in with that definition of significantly changing up the graphics, show team, and writing. But I do see your point that we shouldn’t use that word, so I removed it. Even though the continuity was not really kept anyway. 2600:1000:B049:46E0:C7D:77B4:AD0:BF8D (talk) 12:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

There are no different interpretations. A reboot means the previous continuity has been discarded. Non-canon. It never happened. In other words, season 8 would have been set in a different timeline where the events of the previous 7 seasons never happened. That Valtor makes an appearance and the series acknowledges that this is his return from season 2, rather than treat it as if this is first time he's fighting the Winx, means the preceding continuity still stands and season 8 is set within that continuity.

A retool just means the production is being revamped in a way that doesn't affect show in-universe. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

"Bloom (winx club charector)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bloom (winx club charector). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

winx club ended on September 17, 2019

if you see that the end date says present just know that is unsourced not only is that unsourced but if you go on edit source you can see next to the present it says yes so that person just wants winx club to be on in the present day now i dont know how to report but if you could tell me how to report that person that would be great — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingkobra775 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

4Kids dub was first

Restored information on the show's original broadcast via 4Kids Entertainment and 4Kids TV. Nickelodeon wouldn't begin co-producing the series until season 5, and even then, Viacom (2005–2019) wouldn't acquire 30% of Rainbow until 2011. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 00:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The original broadcast was the Italian broadcast, on Rai 2. Later, original episodes were produced/written by Viacom in America, so the American broadcasts of those episodes only is relevant to this page. The older dubbing of 4Kids is not original, it just dubbed over the Italian version without their involvement, so the 4Kids broadcasts should stay part of the list of third-party foreign dubbers (aka ones who weren't part of the show production), because 4Kids was just one of the many unconnected dubbing companies who didn’t produce the show. We do not talk about the German dub airings in detail, for this reason, since those dubbers are not the original producers. 2600:1000:B070:3B25:1074:1C16:1251:E2EF (talk) 01:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

No, I disagree. You make it seem like 4Kids' version is illegal or something. 4Kids had permission to make an official dub for the American market as Nickelodeon did, regardless if the Italian people were involved or not. To only still acknowledge Nickelodeon's dub because of their partnership ties with Italy is dumb. The 4Kids dub is a wide-known dub and to remove their involvement with the show from this page makes it seem like they took no part in dubbing it at all especially when the initial American dub airings are from when 4Kids had it, so them being the producers of the AMERICAN version, prior to Nickelodeon, ought to still be acknowledged. America is big market for any sort of dub, so whatever company should get credit for dubbing the show especially if the version was widely recognize. Germany is a small country and their dub wasn't widely recognize outside of their country as 4Kids' dub was for the American market initially, which is why not much attention is given to it and it's own air dates and casting. But to act like the show was only English dubbed and popularized by Canada and then Nickelodeon later on is misleading and wrong when you have a whole era of 4Kids' work and involvement to be added to that ordeal. - DevonteHuntley (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Separation of the original and the revived series

With the release of the Netflix original live action series more and more people are interested in the animated version however the many iterations of the show can be very confusing for newcomers this is why there needs to be two different Wikipedia pages for winx club.

One for the original Italian series and another one for the revitalized series. Newcomers to the series tend to find this article very confusing as it has merged all iterations of the show together.

Separating the two series would help new fans of the show understand the difference between the original tween series and the more child friendly revitalized series. There are many differences between the two series . The original is targeted at tweens and teenagers and dwells into darker and psychological themes while the revitalized series that begun with nickelodeon caters to a more kid friendly audience.

Also the characters have different personalities and backstories in each version of the show.

The original series consists of the first 4 seasons and the first 2 movies. The revived series starts when Viacom purchased the series and nickelodeon joined the production team.

All in all I believe that separating the two series is vital for the proper information of the fandom. BrightSilver (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Huh? Why would you split it that way when all indications show the series continues to season 5-8? A reboot series would mean you would have a new TV series starting from season 1, 2, etc. That hasn't happened. As for the theme, 4Kids/Fox also made heavy edits to make it kid friendly as well so it's not like that's darker on the English edited side compared to the Nick version. Compare with Pokemon and One Piece which have multiple English dubs and edits compared to the original version.

The live-action one Fate: The Winx Saga as well as the World of Winx are spinoff series. And Fate is pretty dark from the opening episode. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, when the show was re-launched in 2011, it wasn’t totally different from the original episodes. There were the re-animated specials that retold seasons 1-2, but even those weren't a full reboot. Even if it’s confusing because of the changes over time, it’s still part of the same show. TheFallenPower (talk) 19:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree that it should not be split, just because the tone was changed, it does not make it a different show. They would not call Season 5 "Season 5" if it was a new show, they would call it Season 1.109.160.111.223 (talk) 12:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It amazes me that the people who edithog this page have no earthly clue how the television business works and yet even they know that this is a bad idea.Thecleanerand (talk) 14:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Fanspeak; non-neutral POV; excessive, trivial information; content written like an ad

First off, the entire article comes across as a fan blog rather than an objective piece that's supposed to at least provide the basic information to the show. There are just too many instances of non-consequential information that the average reader doesn't need to know to understand the show, made even worse because the people who edit this article don't have a basic cue to how the television broadcast nor the the TV animation industry works. Never mind the fact some people need to be educated on the difference between reboots and revivals, the fact that they mistook 4Kids Entertainment as a network rather than a production and entertainment company (one that did a localized dub of the show long before it became a Nickelodeon co-production that, for whatever reason, the editor decided to ignore) clearly shows how clueless they are. Finally, on top of all the pointless trivia, there are multiple instances of generic press quotes used throughout the page.

Do you know how frustrating it is for people who don't know what they're talking about and have no business editing any article relating to the business of television and media to reverse the edits of the people who do? Thecleanerand (talk) 14:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't think a barebones opening helps the page. The opening should summarize the article, and this is a long article about a long-running show, so four paragraphs seems fine. Comparing other long-running shows like Family Guy, there are usually around four paragraphs in the opening. Details like the change to a preschool audience, budget cuts, and the stars who appeared on the show are notable and shouldn't be left out. I don't think the info is "pointless" trivia either, since it adds additional context to the history of the show. Hammill Ten (talk) 22:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Barebones nothing! The opening did summarize the article with the basic information without the need of paragraphs. Don't base your argument by comparing one bad article on this website to another! There were zero changes regarding the information about the show being retooled for a preschool audience, while the entry about the budget cuts to their "most expensive show" (non-neutral fanspeak) were deliberately blamed on Gladiators of Rome. Furthermore "additional context" IS pointless trivia, because the average reader doesn't need to know about it! And what is this backhanded talk about information that shouldn't be left out, when no one wants to address the fact that 4Kids did a localized dub long before Winx became a co-production.Thecleanerand (talk) 04:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

It's not just that page, almost every page about a long-running show has multiple paragraphs to go over their history, like SpongeBob SquarePants. Since this show has had several big production changes, it's OK to explain them. Saying the average reader doesn't need to know about the context is just one opinion, I think the reasons for the changes and budget cuts are OK to include.

Looking up, the localized dubs have been discussed before. We don't go into detail about the localized dubs outside of the country-of-origin (which is Italy, since the US wasn't a country-of-origin for the show until 2011), or else this page would turn into a long list of foreign dubs. There were localized dubs for many languages and the English ones weren't the original version until the American purchase. That said, the 4Kids TV airings and dub are still mentioned along with the context of what the creator said about their changes. Hammill Ten (talk) 05:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Again, don't base your argument by comparing one article on this website to another. I'm not arguing the need to explain the budget cuts and the production changes because those are explained in the actual article. The summary at the top of the page does not need four paragraphs to do what the article itself explains. Your opinion is to waste the average readers time with pointlness fluff and a non-neutral POV for the sake of Winx fans; this is not a fansite and this article shouldn't cater to them. "the 4Kids TV airings and dub are still mentioned"...in the context that 4Kids is a TV network that edited the show for its context rather than a licensing and production company that created their own localized version of the show (no different to Saban Entertainment) for broadcast on a block they produced for another network; the network in question, Fox Broadcasting Company, wasn't even mentioned. That section will only turn into "a long list of foreign dubs" if you assume every dub was done the same way. Anyone with common sense (ie, clearly not you) will know that straightforward dubs (non-localized, no editing) have been produced for the show; those dubs don't need to be mentioned unless other wise. Also, "the American purchase" wasn't "the original version" either, obviously that was the Italian broadcast. Nevermind the edits Nickelodeon's dub did for seasons 3 and 4 in order to tie them into the later seasons co-produced with Rainbow as part of the revival seasons.Thecleanerand (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Source for Season 9

This features the same image that was on Wikia. Is this enough to prove that the image is real and not fan-made? https://www.winxcluball.com/2020/09/rainbow-srl-confirms-winx-club-season-9.html?m=179.100.210.106 (talk) 05:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Seems to be a fan-run site, which is WP:NOTRS and would fall under WP:USERG. Magitroopa (talk) 06:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

That site clarified their source as the Russian Licensing Summit Online though and Wikia also said the information is from the Licensing Summit.79.100.210.106 (talk) 11:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

What about this http://imperoland.it/winx-club-torna-in-tv-14-febbraio/amp/ ? Does this count as a source?109.160.111.223 (talk) 20:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, that source talks about a season in development called Winx Club Shorts as a working title, I don't know if that means it's part of the original show or if it's going to be something new. We should probably wait until a clear announcement TheFallenPower (talk) 21:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

It contains the words "nona stagione" though, which Google translates to ninth season.109.160.111.223 (talk) 22:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't say a ninth season has been made. Peter James (talk) 09:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

It says a ninth season is currently in development.79.100.210.106 (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Does "in development" mean that it has already been made, or that a date has been announced? Peter James (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I think it means they have started writing the script, but have not finished it yet. As for a date, it was announced on the Russian Licensing Summit Online last year that the season will premiere either in 2021 or 2022.79.100.210.106 (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Does Channel Frederator count as a source? They also mentioned an upcoming Season 9 in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlU9YfZlpcg 85.187.109.112 (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Voice actors

Hello. Why voice actor section is deleted a long time ago? NiesNi (talk) 19:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The main voices (the original ones that the animation has been matched to, which were the Italian ones and the Hollywood English ones) are covered in Cast section. And they’re listed on the Characters article too. However, turning the cast paragraphs into a long list of dub voices would not be helpful since it would just be a lot of fancruft. TheFallenPower (talk) 14:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)