Talk:Welcome to Earth-2/GA1

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Reviewer: Olivaw-Daneel (talk · contribs) 06:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Interested in picking this up. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: Per authorship stats, the nominator isn't the article's top contributor (courtesy ping Kailash29792). The GAN rules ask anyone who isn't a significant contributor to consult on the talk page prior to nominating; however, "significant" is a bit fuzzy, so this might be ok. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I have no issues with Brojam taking this to GA. I just wished he got this edited at the GOCE first, or rewrote all my additions by himself. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I had gone over it and it didn't seem like we needed a GOCE, but we'll see with the review. - Brojam (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll have the review up in a day or two. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

General comments

• I don't think yvrshoots.com (labelled as Hollywood North) is a reliable source – it seems like a personal blog of a journalist.
  •  Removed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• The webcitation.org links for TV by the Numbers don't work (ref 22, 30).
  •  Replaced - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• There are a lot of long quotes in the reception section. Per MOS:Quote this is discouraged, and may violate copyright (Earwig detects 46% similarity). Suggest summarizing most of them.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Short/single-sentence sections are discouraged per MOS:PARA. Suggest merging Production and Release, and also some of the short subsections within.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• The first sentence is overly long; suggest breaking it into smaller sentences.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• It is set in the Arrowverse, sharing continuity with the other television series of the universe, and is a spin-off of Arrow – there's some redundancy here; suggest trimming.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• I don't think the entire cast needs to be mentioned in the lead; it's supposed to be an overview of the body. I'd just keep the ones most relevant to the plot summary.
  • Everyone in the cast plays an important role, except Candice and Keiynan, and it would feel odd to mention all the other series regulars and not them. - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• I think it's tough to justify overwhelmingly positive in wikivoice. Perhaps change to "highly positive" or "widely praised by critics".
  •  Replaced - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Plot

• Suggest adding context to terms like "Earth-2" and major character names when first mentioned. (Example from The Flash: "parallel universe of Earth-2", "crime-scene investigator Barry Allen", "speedster Zoom", etc.)
  • I've added context for some terms but not for the main characters since it's assumed they would already know who they are before reading this article and would simply bloat the plot summary. - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Jay refuses, and privately tells Caitlin that he invented Velocity-6 and previously took it to become faster; the side effects caused his loss of speed, and are gradually killing him. – some of the commas seem unnecessary; also suggest rewording to avoid the many "and"s.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Reverb, who is also working for Zoom and has greater powers. – needs a bit of elaboration.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• They use their powers repeatedly on him, despite Frost's objections, since Zoom wants him unharmed. – a bit unclear; it reads like they use their powers because of what Zoom wants.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Production

• written by Katherine Walczak from a story by Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg – this isn't in the source. (It just credits all three as writers)
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• The sentence beginning Examples include the fact that seems overly long; it also has some overlap with the next paragraph. Suggest trimming to a few notable examples. Also it would be helpful to contrast against what the Earth-1 character does.

• Robbie Amell plays Deathstorm,[14] Demore Barnes plays Henry Hewitt,[7] Michelle Harrison voices Nora Allen,[9] Michael Rowe plays Floyd Lawton and Patrick Sabongui plays David Singh. – suggest rewording to avoid repeating "plays". Perhaps "Other cast members include Robbie Amell as Deathstorm, ..."
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• The sentence in "Arrowverse tie-ins" is overly long; suggest splitting.
  •  Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Reception

• Suggest leading with the superlatives (highest rated, largest audience, etc) before detailing numbers. You could also organize by age group instead of repeating 18-49 twice.
  • I've kept it as is to be consistent with what we've done with other epsisodes by reporting the numbers first and then if there are any highlights such as highest, improvements, etc. - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• Will give critical response a relook once the number of quotes is reduced.
  •  Reduced - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Placing it on hold; please ping when done/if you have questions. Thanks, Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 04:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Brojam: It's been nearly a week, so I wanted to check if you hadn't missed this. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Olivaw-Daneel: Sorry, had indeed missed it. Will get on your feedback in the next few days. Thanks. - Brojam (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Some of the quotes look paraphrasable, but I think this is good enough to pass GA. In general I'd suggest looking at WP:Reception for structuring the reception section. And it's cool to see that you're working on The Flash. I've enjoyed this show. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:12, 18 February 2022 (UTC)