Talk:Welcome to Earth-2

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Did you know... that The Flash episode "Welcome to Earth-2" featured many actors portraying doppelgängers of their roles from the series?

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Olivaw-Daneel (talk · contribs) 06:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Interested in picking this up. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Per authorship stats, the nominator isn't the article's top contributor (courtesy ping Kailash29792). The GAN rules ask anyone who isn't a significant contributor to consult on the talk page prior to nominating; however, "significant" is a bit fuzzy, so this might be ok. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no issues with Brojam taking this to GA. I just wished he got this edited at the GOCE first, or rewrote all my additions by himself. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had gone over it and it didn't seem like we needed a GOCE, but we'll see with the review. - Brojam (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have the review up in a day or two. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

I don't think yvrshoots.com (labelled as Hollywood North) is a reliable source – it seems like a personal blog of a journalist.
- Removed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The webcitation.org links for TV by the Numbers don't work (ref 22, 30).
- Replaced - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of long quotes in the reception section. Per MOS:Quote this is discouraged, and may violate copyright (Earwig detects 46% similarity). Suggest summarizing most of them.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Short/single-sentence sections are discouraged per MOS:PARA. Suggest merging Production and Release, and also some of the short subsections within.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The first sentence is overly long; suggest breaking it into smaller sentences.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is set in the Arrowverse, sharing continuity with the other television series of the universe, and is a spin-off of Arrow – there's some redundancy here; suggest trimming.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the entire cast needs to be mentioned in the lead; it's supposed to be an overview of the body. I'd just keep the ones most relevant to the plot summary.
- Everyone in the cast plays an important role, except Candice and Keiynan, and it would feel odd to mention all the other series regulars and not them. - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's tough to justify overwhelmingly positive in wikivoice. Perhaps change to "highly positive" or "widely praised by critics".
- Replaced - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

Suggest adding context to terms like "Earth-2" and major character names when first mentioned. (Example from The Flash: "parallel universe of Earth-2", "crime-scene investigator Barry Allen", "speedster Zoom", etc.)
- I've added context for some terms but not for the main characters since it's assumed they would already know who they are before reading this article and would simply bloat the plot summary. - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jay refuses, and privately tells Caitlin that he invented Velocity-6 and previously took it to become faster; the side effects caused his loss of speed, and are gradually killing him. – some of the commas seem unnecessary; also suggest rewording to avoid the many "and"s.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reverb, who is also working for Zoom and has greater powers. – needs a bit of elaboration.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They use their powers repeatedly on him, despite Frost's objections, since Zoom wants him unharmed. – a bit unclear; it reads like they use their powers because of what Zoom wants.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Production

written by Katherine Walczak from a story by Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg – this isn't in the source. (It just credits all three as writers)
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence beginning Examples include the fact that seems overly long; it also has some overlap with the next paragraph. Suggest trimming to a few notable examples. Also it would be helpful to contrast against what the Earth-1 character does.

Robbie Amell plays Deathstorm,[14] Demore Barnes plays Henry Hewitt,[7] Michelle Harrison voices Nora Allen,[9] Michael Rowe plays Floyd Lawton and Patrick Sabongui plays David Singh. – suggest rewording to avoid repeating "plays". Perhaps "Other cast members include Robbie Amell as Deathstorm, ..."
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence in "Arrowverse tie-ins" is overly long; suggest splitting.
- Fixed - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Suggest leading with the superlatives (highest rated, largest audience, etc) before detailing numbers. You could also organize by age group instead of repeating 18-49 twice.
- I've kept it as is to be consistent with what we've done with other epsisodes by reporting the numbers first and then if there are any highlights such as highest, improvements, etc. - Brojam (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will give critical response a relook once the number of quotes is reduced.
- Reduced - Brojam (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Placing it on hold; please ping when done/if you have questions. Thanks, Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 04:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Brojam: It's been nearly a week, so I wanted to check if you hadn't missed this. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Olivaw-Daneel: Sorry, had indeed missed it. Will get on your feedback in the next few days. Thanks. - Brojam (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the quotes look paraphrasable, but I think this is good enough to pass GA. In general I'd suggest looking at WP:Reception for structuring the reception section. And it's cool to see that you're working on The Flash. I've enjoyed this show. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:12, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Melissa Benoist and John Wesley Shipp appeared as their titular roles from Supergirl and the 1990 Flash series, respectively, in The Flash episode "Welcome to Earth-2", establishing a larger multiverse in the Arrowverse? Source: [1] [2]
- ALT1:... that The Flash episode "Welcome to Earth-2" featured many actors portraying doppelgängers of their roles from the series? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaze to Ki no Uta

Improved to Good Article status by Brojam (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 25 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Brojam: Nice to see this here, since I'm actually a big fan of The Flash and Supergirl. I will do a full review later, but I did have one concern about the hook specifically. WP:DYKHOOK says If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way, but the multiverse might arguably be in-universe. Are there other hooks you can propose? Epicgenius (talk) 16:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Epicgenius: I've reworked it to focus more on the real world and given an alternative. - Brojam (talk) 00:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - All right. ALT1 seems like a decent alternative, so I'll review this nomination now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

I'm approving ALT1, but not ALT0, based on WP:DYKHOOK. The copyright violation check revealed only quotes and everything else is fine. Epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]