Talk:Washington University School of Law

Requested move 16 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 16:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Washington University in St. Louis School of Law → Washington University School of Law – Since 2006, the Law School at Washington University in St. Louis has been located at the page Washington University School of Law. Recently, it seems that it was moved to Washington University in St. Louis School of Law. I moved it back to its original location and then it seems to have been moved back from the same user. As such, I'm bringing this up for a discussion and am recommending a change back to its original location of Washington University School of Law for the following reasons: 1. WP:COMMONNAME - Washington University in St. Louis is commonly referred to as Washington University because it held that name for the majority of its time. The Law School being referred to as Washington University School of Law makes sense. 2. WP:PRECISION "in St. Louis" is unnecessary. Titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article but should be no more precise than that. According to Washington School of Law, there are 4 law schools which have Washington in the name. American University Washington College of Law, George Washington University Law School, University of Washington School of Law, in Seattle, Washington and Washington University in St. Louis School of Law. The first is a "College of Law", the second is referred to as "George Washington Law School", and the third is often referred to as UW School of Law or University of Washington School of Law. None would be confused with Washington University School of Law. 4. Several sources including its law school facebook page refers to it as Washington University School of Law. Other sources that refer to it as such are https://www.lsd.law/Washington-University-School-of-Law, Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/insights/premier-law-schools-2022-23/washington-university-st-louis-school-law), and the American Bar Association: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/center-pro-bono/resources/directory_of_law_school_public_interest_pro_bono_programs/directory/ld125/ Wozal (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. I have constantly assumed your good faith, but none of the arguments you made makes any sense. Please see the seven reference links on the lede. Including the law school itself and its website logo: almost all formal places, including the school itself and its faculty, use the full name "Washington University in St. Louis School of Law." Check the university's full name on your diploma: it says Washington University in St. Louis. I do not know why you are so persistent on this matter. Let the law school change its own communication, narration, and official logo first. Go to law.wustl.edu and do your own research. I have no way of seeing your argument make any sense, such as WP:PRECISION or WP:COMMONNAME. The school itself even bothers using "Washington University in St. Louis School of Law" in its communication: why don't you do? This is even the case for the dean of the law school at the university on his CV and welcome message (https://law.wustl.edu/about/meet-the-deans/).

If you are a student of this law school or affiliated/connected in any way, I think what you should do is study and work instead of holding obsessions because of "in St. Louis." Or you may let the university changes its official name at the Department of Education first. In this way, all media may change the way narrating the institution as you wish.

Get the degree (if not), find a job (if not), become the law school dean or the university president, change the name, and all done. (If you are a law student, study hard in the Legal Writing and Research class.)

"Washington University in St. Louis is commonly referred to as Washington University because it held that name for the majority of its time"? This is an opinion and may be true in your community. On the West Coast and many other foreign countries, "Washington" as a university name is for the one in Seattle. People in DC may have other interpretations. Please put down your feeling of prestige.

I was just revising universities' and other entries as usual, but I saw such a strong reaction from you. Never happened. This reminds me of the drama comparison video that I even saw on the official account of WUSTL a long time ago, blatantly contemptuous of the University of Washington students. The video also received a lot of likes. I felt so bad about this. With education backgrounds from Columbia, Michigan, and Stanford, I have to say when people were trying to look down at my universities through various comments and articles, I said nothing. Because I knew who I was and what my universities were. It is regrettable to gain confidence and self-esteem by ridiculing others, or to try to occupy Washington as a common name for a university. Cfls (talk) 04:13, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

1. WP:NPA exists and there are several things within your statements that have absolutely nothing to do with the source material. Telling anyone to get a degree or a job does not assume good faith either. And no, I am not a law student nor do I have any affiliation with this university.

2. I changed the title back to its original location once which it has been at for over 15 years. You changed it twice. I started this discussion as a result to avoid an editwar.

3. According to Washington University in St. Louis' wikipedia page, it was known as simply Washington University from 1856-1976. As such, I'm not sure how that's an opinion or how it may be true "in my community".

4. The word "University" is being omitted after Washington as was stated in my original post. I think we can distinguish between "Washington University", "George Washington University", "Washington College" and "University of Washington".

5. The contact page refers to itself as "Washington University School of Law" as does the "Our History",[1] Instagram,[2] American Constitutional Society[3] Law School Admission Council ([4] -- which was apparently provided by the university itself) and the American Bar Association [5] refer to it as the Washington University School of Law. The School of Law seems to switch between a few different versions including WashULaw which makes me wonder if the logo is meant for visual identity only as was mentioned at the top of this talk page for "Washington University Law" many years ago.

6. Both "Washington University School of Law" and "Washington University in St. Louis School of Law" appear to be used in reliable sources. Per Wikipedia:TITLE, recognizability, naturalness, precision, concision, and consistency should ideally be considered.

7. Looking at the Pageviews Analysis, we can see that Washington University School of Law received 772 views as compared to Washington University in St. Louis School of Law 359 views.

8. It's probably also worthwhile to consider direct (this is to avoid counting redirects) linkcounts which might show us additionally what people are more inclined to type in. Washington University School of Law has 421 direct linkcounts.[6].

Washington University in St. Louis School of Law has 67 direct linkcounts.[7]

9. Categories and Article name should match when possible. The category for that page is currently: Category:Washington University School of Law. Wozal (talk) 05:57, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support - I have no clue what the heck I just waded into, but being more concise, in general, is fine. As a resident Washingtonian, I assure you everyone calls UW the "University of Washington", which is, of course, its name. If anyone here talked about "Washington University X", we would assume it has to do with some university that isn't anywhere near Washington. We're kinda used to people saying "Washington" and meaning something far away. Therefore, this proposed new title meets all the criteria of WP:AT equal or better than the current title. Red Slash 21:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support. As an alumni of the George Washington University Law School and an occasional lecturer both there and at the American University Washington College of Law, no one who has any idea what they are talking about is calling any law school but the one at Washington University by the name Washington University School of Law. This is also consistent with the fact that Washington University is a longstanding redirect to Washington University in St. Louis. BD2412 T 16:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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