Talk:Wallington County Grammar School

Clean up?

What/why is this listed as a clean-up? Pointers appreciated. RocArt 22:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This article seems to be subject to nonsensical vandalism. I have made 3 modifications which you can see in the history. I list them here also :

1) The house carew had been modified to "Carew as swag"

2) "whenblack peopledid not exist" had been added with respect to the original school location.

3) "wecan't never afford it since the money mysteriously disappears" had been added in regard to the new Sports Hall.

I understand the school itself monitors this page, could they please undertake to monitor changes more regularly ?

Kbdguy 18:26, 1 March 2009 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.71.151 (talk)

I have reverted the remainder of the comments made. The school may monitor the page's history for libelous changes, I have the page on my watchlist and revert any vandalism edits that appear. The edits had been on the page for a little under a day. --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 19:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Prefect Ranks

Added a bit on prefect ranks and house prefects etc. Is there any formal ranking structure? My guess/recollection is that senior prefects essentially outrank everyone else, including house prefects, in terms of precedence and importance but I'm sure someone here knows more than me... RocArt 00:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Number of Pupils

Can we get an update on this? Current figure of 880 will soon be a year old. Cheers RocArt 00:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Notable Staff

Do we need the head of languages or sixth form on here? Seems a little OTT.

And if we *do* want to keep them, can we (a) edit properly so Haworth is not on there twice and (b) avoid French (or other non-English) respect titles like "Mlle"? Just use Miss: the translation is straightforward and no meaning is lost.

Will edit it as best I can with view to deleting it (Grand Edgemaster: I assume your views on lists---below---still apply here?)

RocArt 14:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, my notes below apply, per WP:SCH, I think this covers it:

Faculty — State the number of faculty members, statistics on faculty, student-to-teacher ratio, etc. Distinguish between tenure/nontenured, full- and part-time (if possible). Names of noteworthy (e.g. award-winning, published) faculty of the past can be mentioned. Generally timeless information (such as published teachers) is preferred over transitory information (like the exact number of math teachers at a point in time).

I'm not quite sure quite what it means by published teachers, since surely both could change every few years? The topic has been touched on a few times at WP:SCH, most recently here, here, and here if that's the guideline to go by, then we should remove non-notable members of staff from the list (except headmaster(s)). --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 16:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC) _{Also changed the heading of this discussion up a level.}

Seems reasonable to me: will now edit (i.e. delete). Cheers RocArt 22:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Keeper of the Record/School Officers

Thinking about changing the structure of the article: in particular, taking specific info like names of officers (Captain, VC, KOTR) out of "general information" and maybe into section on "prefect system" or some such. Current set up seems unencylopedic. Thoughts? Feelings? Comments? RocArt 00:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think in general names (esp. lists) should be kept out of articles (except of course alumini, and headteachers), WP:SCH should be the place to direct any queries. I really need to read up on what to do if the 3RR occurs for encyclopaedic content. Oh, and could we add new topics to the bottom of this page? --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 19:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Bridges

Any chance someone can clarify what "Bridges"---the house name---refers to? I originally thought it was Canon Bridges, but this was subsequently edited. Thought someone (maybe the school?) might finally clear up the mystery (not that *I* think this is a mystery!)...RocArt 00:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

According to my year 7 history exercise book you`re right. Plebmonk 03:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

OK thanks: have edited RocArt 17:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Just checked my Y7 history book, and added opening date, info on original site, and a little on Carew Manor for the lower school. I'm sure the prose could be tidied a little, and expanded. --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 19:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

ExtraCurricular Stuff

As a current student of the school, I have a feeling that the "ultimate frizbee" part of the extracurricular activities section is some kind of a lame joke from one of my colleagues. Though I may be completely wrong, so I won't change it from fear of annoying whoever put it there. I also just noticed that Rugby isn't included in this section either. Maybe the other sports the school takes part in competitively (cricket, hockey, athletics) should be added, unless sports aren't considered extra curricular activities. If so, just ignore me. Plebmonk 02:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Plebmonk: seems possible. Go ahead and add the other stuff you mention: worst that will happen is that it will get edited. Also, did the school win the Daily Mail U18 rugby competition a while back? You would know more about this than I... Cheers, RocArt 19:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

They won the daily mail vase the year before I joined so yeah, I'll add that somewhere along with the extracurricular activities. Sorry for not checking back, I kinda forgot wiki existed. Plebmonk 00:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Looking on my calendar I find listed under extracurricular activities: Crossword Club, DT club, Electronics club, Fair Trade society, Homework club, International movie club, puzzle club, sugar craft club and war hammer club. Needless to say I left those out. The joke of it is, sugar craft club must actually have some regular atendees to stay alive, quite shocking really, but I suppose some people just like baking cakes. Plebmonk 00:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Sugar craft club, and most of the ones listed just above are new this year. War hammer has been going for some time, I know the original founder of it. Ultimate Frisbee was a regular activity until Mr. Brett left last year. However, it may still continue if a member of the sports department decide to continue it. --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 00:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

A warhammer club has definitely been running for longer than that (though not continuously). A few of us were running one under the name "Adventurers Guild" before 1998, probably 1995. MWelchUK 09:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Is it okay to add recent events to the page, such as the Raising and Giving (RAG) event that will start on Monday with more info being added as soon as it starts? --Turkish Sultan_Talk —Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC).

• Just me or does this seem like blatant advertising? Probably unsuitable? Maybe would be okay if you took out the dates, as I'm not sure of their relevance other than to advertise the event. (Mrikey (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrikey (talk • contribs) 00:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• • I went ahead and edited it. Feel free to let me know if you disagree. (Mrikey (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC))

Murdered headmaster

"Mr R.S. Harrison - 1975 - 1990 (murdered shortly after retirement)"

Is that actually true?

Also, haha the revert bot thing is called grand edgemaster...should be dr.grand edgemaster now Plebmonk 00:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• OI! I'm a real PERSON! --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

This is true, sadly. Ironically, the investigation into the death featured on the BBC's Crime Watch which Nick Ross (OW) presented at the time. Not sure if this factoid should appear in this entry though... RocArt 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• • I am just writing to concur this point. He was murdered, crimewatch suggested this was done by male prostitutes he had hired. 81.155.21.0 11:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• • • Yeah. My bad. Plebmonk 15:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • • Rough Trade can be pretty dangerous too ! Kbdguy (talk) 02:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent Academic Record

This whole section just sounds like a sexed-up advert for the school. Since added by an anon editor, I'm feeling like trimming it drastically, any consensus on this? --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 01:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you do this ? If not I would say "go for it" ! Kbdguy (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Wallington Grammar School for Boys

For a period of time - the school was known as "The Wallington High School for Boys". Does anybody know the years during which this name was taken ? It covers the period 1980-1990 at least Kbdguy (talk) 03:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It was certainly a High School the whole of the period that I was there, from September 1971 to November 1977. CessPitts (talk) 04:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I was a pupil from September 1964 to July 1971. It was "County Grammar" on joining but changed quite shortly afterwards (within 2 years from memory) & remained "High" throughout my time there (again from best of my memory). I have some copies of "The Record" somewhere, still. Might shed some light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagleash (talk • contribs) 20:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I have found two copies of "The Record". One from Spring 1968 gives the title as "The Record of Wallington County Grammar School for Boys" and one from Spring 1969 as "...of Wallington High School for Boys". The one from Autumn 1968 is missing but I think this would suggest that the name change took place at the beginning of the 1968–1969 school year. Eagleash (talk) 15:25, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I started in the first year in September 1968. I can confirm it was Wallington High School for Boys then. I don't how if it's accurate, but I remember hearing that the school wanted to keep its head down while the Labour government was abolishing grammar schools. Jean de Luz (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The school seems to have reverted to WCGS in the mid-90s. I think it would be ok to amend the history to say that the "High School" name was used from 1968 to the mid-90s. My sources are a Hansard list of grant-maintained schools from July 1993 (hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1993/jul/21/grant-maintained-schools), and an Independent newspaper article from May 1994 that both refer to Wallington High School for Boys (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mad-scramble-for-school-places-parental-choice-is-proving-illusory-in-some-boroughs-as-too-many-children-chase-the-best-teaching-1434805.html). Then, in November 1996 there is another Hansard list of grammar schools that refers to WCGS. (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199697/cmhansrd/vo961125/text/61125w05.htm) Jean de Luz (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Current Times

In my opinion, the page severely needs to be updated, for I had to fix a couple of grammar errors and areas in which it states that Mr Smart is the assistant headmaster, even though he is officially headmaster of the school as of now. It would be nice if I recieved help on updating the page since it has practically stayed the same (with relatively minor updates) for about 1 year now. Furthermore, I think that the page should be blocked for those people who aren't users since non-users will just end up vandalising the page anyway (for example just look at the mass amount of edits that occurred in December 2009) and I'm pretty sure that most people would agree with this statement. TurkishSultan 22:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC) (Just take a guess as to who I am) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkishSultan (talk • contribs)

• Seriously, this is why we should only let users edit the page and not unregistered IP addresses: [1] TurkishSultan 22:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkishSultan (talk • contribs) 22:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

• I was one of the maintainers of this page whilst at WCGS (I left this summer), but I do still keep an eye on it for vandalism. The page has been vandalised many-a time, and people in the past have been identified by the school for doing so (although only because they were stupid enough to use their real name). I do still watch the page's changes for vandalism and usually do revert within 10 hours. I believe that wikipedia tries to avoid semi-protection where possible, the vandalism on this page isn't as great as that on others, take Jesus, or George W. Bush, for example. It is by no means unmanageable here, which is when this measure is usually resorted to. --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 09:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

• In fact, the page already appears to be semi-protected, after that very edit you gave as an example. Some admin must have finally realised it was enough. (I really have fallen behind the times!) --Grand Edgemaster _Talk 09:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

• I don't remember you from Sixth Form last Summer, but when you left I was in Year 9 so I may have seen you before. Maybe the page should only be edited by users who can be seen as responsible enough to edit the page without any vandalism. If this doesn't happen, I can't bear to imagine how many C3's or C4's the SLT will dish out! TurkishSultan 10:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC) (why won't this sign me properly?!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkishSultan (talk • contribs)

• I am in agreement, the whole article seems inconsistent and biased. There is too much information in certain sections, such as the info on keyboards. I have edited a couple of sections as best I can. (Mrikey (talk) 00:58, 20 June 2010 (UTC))

Notability

I am curious as to why Douglas Allen, Baron Croham and Philip Wilcocks are missing from the list of notable former pupils. I am pretty sure they were included in earlier revisions of the article, but could be wrong about this. Also, I don't think Ryan Cummins has played international cricket. Eagleash (talk) 02:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Fixed this in November 2014. Eagleash (talk) 09:39, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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