Talk:Waldemar Haffkine

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the science and academia work group.

Medicine Low‑importance

	Medicine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medicine, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the Manual of Style for medicine-related articles and that biomedical information in any article use high-quality medical sources. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine.MedicineWikipedia:WikiProject MedicineTemplate:WikiProject Medicinemedicine articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

India Low‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Russia: Technology & engineering / Science & education Low‑importance

	Russia portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the technology and engineering in Russia task force.
	This article is supported by the science and education in Russia task force.

Day of Death

I'm looking at a French encyclopedia of bacteriologists (Renaud, Hansen, and Freney) which places Haffkine's death on October 26, 1930, not October 20, 1930. Any ideas as to what his real deathday is? -vinny

Good eye. The bio in Russian wiki also says Oct. 26. Fixed. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wife and kids

Waldemar Haffkine had no wife nor children therefor I edited out * Nancy Hafkin, great-granddaughter of W.M. Haffkin, visits the Haffkine institute Waldemar Haffkine was my great grand uncle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

This makes no sense. The article you yourself provided reads "Nancy Hafkin, great-granddaughter of Waldemar Mordecai Haffkine." How could Haffkine have no children, according to you, if he has a great-grand daughter? You can't be someone's great-grandfather if you didn't have a child of your own. So, while your edits will stand for now since we don't have a source for who were his wife/child, but once the source is found, it'll be added.--RossF18 (talk) 17:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link is dead, but the article is here: When Hafkin visited Haffkine's (2004-02-26) For 61-year-old Nancy Hafkin, great-granddaughter of Waldemar Mordecai Haffkine, the founder of the institute, a visit to her[sic] Haffkine institute at Parel was an emotional occasion. Hafkin, who served for over two decades with the United Nations in Africa and is now retired Probably Nancy Jane Hafkin? Her family tree. Her paternal great-grandfather is Louis Hafkin (Vit'ebsk ~1860-?). Waldemar Haffkine's family tree, listed as unmarried and childless. I don't immediately see a connection. --178.11.101.136 (talk) 01:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

I have removed this bit because there is absolutely no reliable source that mentions this: "At first, he was met with deep suspicion and survived an assassination attempt by Islamic extremists during the first year there (1893), but he managed to vaccinate about 25,000 volunteers, most of whom survived." - source - Fazal lauds Indo-Russian friendship. The Press Trust of India. December 18, 2002. Shyamal (talk) 08:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another recent source

I found this to be a pretty good summary, in case it can also be useful to expand the article:

Gunter, Joel; Pandey, Vikas (11 December 2020). "Waldemar Haffkine: The vaccine pioneer the world forgot". BBC News.

—Paleo Neonate – 03:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citizenship

In some places I read he became a French citizen, in others a British citizen. Maybe both? Maybe neither? This should be clarified. Spafky (talk) 09:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hawgood clearly refers to him as a naturalised British Citizen - https://www.jameslindlibrary.org/wp-data/uploads/2014/05/Haffkine-1896-Publication.pdf. The references I could find to him as French appeared to be from less academic sources. I wonder if he needed to be a British citizen to become CIE. DoctorAB (talk) 21:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russian or Ukrainian

Given the current conflict I am sure this could be a difficult issue. He was born in Odessa, Ukriane which was then part of the Russian Empire and sources do refer to him as Russian and some Ukrainian. I think we should consider a consensus on this and wondered what views were? The Haffkine Institute refers to him as Ukrainian for example- http://www.haffkineinstitute.org/waldemar.htm. DoctorAB (talk) 19:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Sharma refers him as Russian or Russian. Jew throughout his recent book Foreign Bodies. DoctorAB (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see MOS:NATIONALITY & also WP:MODERNPLACENAME. Ukraine was part of the Russian empire when Haffkine was born. That makes him a Russian subject, whereas Ukranian would be his ethnicity. While I sympathize with Ukrainian nationalists wanting to claim him for their own, his life was governed by Russia until he emigrated. We should respect what was true in the 19th century and not rewrite history for the sake of how some political or nationalist agenda. Peaceray (talk) 15:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you @Peaceray. DoctorAB (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An administrator has configured pending changes protection for the Waldemar Haffkine article. See WP:PC for more detail about pending changes protection. Peaceray (talk) 20:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was written even in this article that he identified himself as a Ukrainian.

At that time The Jewish Chronicle noted "a Ukraine Jew, trained in the schools of European science, saves the lives of Hindus and Mohammedansand is decorated by the descendant of William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great." 86.106.2.227 (talk) 08:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]