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Did you know... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in a bust of himself?

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Requested move 2 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Procedural close as the article is already at the requested title. (non-admin closure) Estar8806 (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maxim Fomin → Vladlen Tatarsky – The article was created as Vladlen Tatarsky and was moved to Maxim Fomin without any disucssion. At this point, all sources in the article, without any exception, refer to the subject as Vladlen Tatarsky and most do not even mention his birth name. Vladlen Tatarsky is clearly a COMMONNAME. Ymblanter (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it back because it was an undiscussed move. WP:BOLD is required sometimes. Super Ψ Dro 19:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I already applied protection earlier to stop vandalism, I am afraid my credit of BOLD is exhausted for today. Ymblanter (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's funny, his pseudonym is taken from a Russian fiction novel and has no legal status, it's about as real as a blogger who nicknamed himself Donald Duck. This article was hastily created in good faith by someone who didn't know that. But suit yourselves. Machinarium (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I knew that, no problem. It is just we have WP:COMMONNAME which is very clear about these situations. See e.g. Jaiden Animations. Ymblanter (talk) 19:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Novel in question would be Generation "П". Markscheider (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Machinarium: You wrote: taken from a Russian fiction novel - any sources? The disambig page Tatarsky doesn't give any hint about that. Boud (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The user above you just mentioned the book, Generation "П". 'Vavilen Tatarsky' is the main protagonist, with 'Vavilen' being the author's play on the name Vladlen which itself is abbreviation of Vladimir Lenin. Machinarium (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably noteworthy

Tatarsky was pardoned by another Donbass separatist Alexander Zakharchenko who was also killed by a bomb in cafe. But I do not see any sources at the moment that would explicitly make such connection and discussed its significance. My very best wishes (talk) 03:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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why is "Vladimir Lenin" partially written in different fonts? Mistake? Arston22 (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, to show that Vladlen (which is btw a really existing name) is a combination of Vlad from Vladimir and Len from Lenin. Ymblanter (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the blog?

The article mentions nowhere the url of Tatarsky's blog. That is a major gap. Wikipedia aims to be encyclopedic but by leaving out this kind of essential information it becomes little more than a summary of recent news articles.Musicmouse (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect Arrested

Could someone add that a bombing suspect was arrested according to this? 66.215.132.78 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BorgQueen (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 16:07, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in his bust? Source: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/2/7396132/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Love or Loved (EP), Template:Did you know nominations/Mexican Werewolf in Texas

Vladlen Tatarsky created by Ymblanter (talk). 2023 Saint Petersburg bombing created by AgisdeSparte (talk). Nominated by BorgQueen (talk) at 21:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vladlen Tatarsky; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Maybe rephrase to make it clear the bomb was not in this person’s boobs. —Michael Z. 04:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT1 ... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in his bust sculpture? BorgQueen (talk) 04:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Vladlen Tatarsky has an ITN template on its talk page but it's for RD, which doesn't disqualify it from DYK. BorgQueen (talk) 02:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Just made it a double hook. BorgQueen (talk) 12:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: These articles are of quite high quality, and I'd like to thank everyone involved in expanding and polishing up these articles. However, I must say I like the original hook better, albeit with the link provided in ALT1. "Hidden in his bust sculpture" sounds a little unwieldy; piping it as "hidden in his bust" is a bit more catchy. Epicgenius (talk) 13:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 2023 Saint Petersburg bombing is not yet stable D6, five reverts in the past two days. Bruxton (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruxton: Oops. In that case, let's just de-link the bombing article. BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in his bust? BorgQueen (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In a bust of him. —Michael Z. 13:25, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 ... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in a bust of him? BorgQueen (talk) 13:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We may be stable enough now for the double. Bruxton (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3a ... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in a bust of him? BorgQueen (talk) 16:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Born

It is indicated, he was born Makiivka, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union. IMO this should be corrected to Makiivka, Ukrajina, currently occupied by the Russian Federation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:598:88b3:8412:81f3:2df8:d7be:2cc0 (talk • contribs)

sources

why do all the sources include a Latin transliteration of the Russian text? makes it very hard to read LICA98 (talk) 10:42, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering about the same. Is it really necessary? BorgQueen (talk) 14:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Victor Pelevin's "1999 first novel"

From the article: ***The name is an allusion to both Lenin (Vladimir Lenin) and Russian satirist Victor Pelevin's 1999 first novel, Generation "П"***

From the Generation "П"/P article: ***Generation "П"/P is the third novel by Russian author Victor Pelevin.***

From the Pelvin article: ***His novels include Omon Ra (1992), The Life of Insects (1993), Chapayev and Void (1996), and Generation P (1999).***

Someone with the keys should probably just remove the word "first", because this would not even be important information here, even if it weren't obviously false. Because it was clearly at least his third *or fourth* novel. 67.85.189.13 (talk) 12:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BorgQueen (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

small mistake

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The sentence:

In 2022, he was invited to write for RT and became a co-host at Vladimir Solovyov's analytical show, initially hosted by Mikhail Zvinchuk ("Rybar").

Should be changed to:

In 2022, he was invited to write for RT and became a co-host with Mikhail Zvinchuk ("Rybar") at Vladimir Solovyov's analytical show "Rybar's Analysis".

Reason:

There appears to be a mistake in the cited source. It implies that the show was initially hosted only by Zvinchuk, which is not true. This mistake is not present in the russian version of the source.^[1]^[2]

WikiEnjoyer123 (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks--Ymblanter (talk) 02:28, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Работал на шахте. Занимался бизнесом. Криминалом. Сидел «Медуза» рассказывает, кем был «военкор» Владлен Татарский — и будет ли Кремль отвечать на его убийство". Meduza (in Russian). 3 April 2023. Retrieved 22 August 2023.
^ "ПРЕМЬЕРА".

"Propagandist" seems to be extremely biased towards Ukraine.

Remove the description of "propagandist" as you can pretty much call every blogger a propagandist. Calling him a propagandist has a bit of a negative effect and seems to be biased towards Ukraine. If you were to call him a propagandist than Gerashchenko and Podolyak should also be considered Ukrainian propagandists as they spread anti-Russian propaganda online. Elias Ziad (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gerashchenko is, as far as I am concerned, a propagandist, not much better than Tatarsky, so what? Ymblanter (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quote by Tatarsky: We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be the way we like it. I think there's difference between the two. Tatarsky didn't make it hard for media to give him pejorative labels, which might explain why he is named here a propagandist while Gerashchenko isn't. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Gerashchenko was either the founder or the early advertiser of Myrotvorets, the first crowdsourcing complaints database in the world and a mass-outing tool. It is just that probably nobody cares at this stage. Ymblanter (talk) 06:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Работал на шахте. Занимался бизнесом. Криминалом. Сидел «Медуза» рассказывает, кем был «военкор» Владлен Татарский — и будет ли Кремль отвечать на его убийство". Meduza (in Russian). 3 April 2023. Retrieved 22 August 2023.

[2] "ПРЕМЬЕРА".

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