Talk:Vimeo Livestream

Removing Max Haot from Infobox

Under Key People in the Infobox, it listed Max Haot as SVP, Video Products. However, in this Verge article it indicates he is now no longer with Vimeo and is focused full-time on a new space start-up called Launcher. Similarly, his LinkedIn profile indicates he is no longer with Vimeo. For that reason, I'm removing him from the Infobox. - Dyork (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

It should be noted that, in 2016, when Vimeo decided to get out of the hardware business, Max 'rescued' Mevo. See https://livestream.com/blog/mevo-has-a-new-home. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

COI Disclosure and infobox updates

Hi there, I'm Jordan and I'm here on behalf of Vimeo. I've disclosed my conflict of interest here, and on my user page. Because of my COI, I do not directly edit articles relating to Vimeo or its subsidiaries, and instead make requests on article Talk pages, per COI guidelines. My goal is to assist editors in keeping this article accurate and up to date by providing information with appropriate sourcing.

Today, I'd like to suggest a few updates to the infobox.

• The Vimeo Livestream headquarters are now located at the same address as Vimeo: 555 West 18th Street, New York, NY, 10011, USA. This can be confirmed on the Livestream website.

•  Done Thanks for the info. Updated. - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Leadership of Livestream is the same as Vimeo. As such, Anjali Sud should be listed as CEO. Mark Kornfilt is the CTO/CPO of Vimeo, and therefore Livestream, as well. This Small Business Trends article mentions Mark Kornfilt's role at Vimeo.

•  Done Updated. - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Should the number of employees be removed or changed to be the same as the infobox on Vimeo's main article? Everyone is a part of Vimeo's team. I'm open to what editors think is appropriate here. Vimeo's had 674 employees as of September, 2020, per our S-4.

• I did not make that change as I just need to think about that. I guess it makes sense to make that change. Any other editors have an opinion? - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your help and look forward to collaborating to get this page up to date and improve its accuracy.

Thanks! JS Vimeo (talk) 18:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@JS Vimeo: Thank you for your transparency about your COI and your use of the Talk pages. These were all reasonable requests. Thank you. - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dyork: Thanks so much for making those changes! I've posted another request below and wonder if you'd be interested in reviewing? Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again, JS Vimeo (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

History updates

The final sentence of History reads "The service expects to incorporate Livestream staff and technology into a newly-launched video streaming service."

I think that "expects to incorporate" is not appropriate at this point. I've provided updated language below that also adds context about the merger. I've kept the existing citation to support the changes. This article from The Verge and this article from Fortune also covered the acquisition. I've also proposed updated information about Livestream, which I've sourced to a New York Times article, but is also talked about in the most recent IAC earnings letter. I understand if editors choose to change my language or use their own.

• Vimeo incorporated Livestream into their service Vimeo Live, with plans for professional and enterprise customers. At the time Vimeo acquired Livestream, then CEO of Livestream Mark Kornflit took the position of General Manager of Live and reported to Vimeo CEO Anjali Sud. As of 2017, Livestream powered more than 10 million events annually.

•  Done - I agree the language needed updating. Thanks for the text suggestion. I incorporated the first two sentences. The last sentence felt promotional and at this point is four years out of date. - Dyork (talk) 20:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• According to Sud, Vimeo saw an increased demand for its live-streaming tools in 2020, as more events went digital in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

• ✗ Not done - While I understand your interest in having this included, your text and the NYT article itself are too promotional for me to include in an encyclopedia article. (Other editors may disagree with me.) Great NYT article, though - congrats on that! I may share it in other non-Wikipedia places. - Dyork (talk) 20:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Thanks! JS Vimeo (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dyork: Thanks for reviewing my last request. I've posted another question and suggestion below, you're welcome to review if you have time. Thanks again, JS Vimeo (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Introduction customer list and minor change

• The introduction currently reads "Vimeo Livestream is an American video live streaming platform..." Could this be changed to "Vimeo Livestream is a live streaming platform based in New York City..."? I think this is clearer because it still implies that Vimeo is a U.S.-based company, and provides more specific information for readers without possibly suggesting that the company is not available outside the U.S.

•  Done - I agree that using "American" in this context sounds like it could be limited to that country. - Dyork (talk) 01:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

• The second paragraph in the introduction is an outdated list of Livestream's customers. The sourcing provided are links to live streams from 2012 that no longer work. I wonder if this should be removed from the introduction, or updated to be a more general description of what Livestream is used for, so it remains more evergreen? For instance "Examples of events Livestream has been used for include: concerts, news, and professional and college sports games, among others."

•  Partly done - I agree that with that list being outdated it should at the very least be removed. I have now done that. However, I did not add your sentence about examples. That sentence sounds good, but it would need to have a reliable source. If, for instance, there was an interview on a media site that brought up the range of customers, that could be used as a source for a broad statement like that. - Dyork (talk) 01:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, please reach out with questions or comments. JS Vimeo (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dyork: I appreciate you continuing to review my requests, and also your clear explanations of your decisions. I have posted another request below regarding the Events section of the article, which, now that I look at it, could use some clean up and improved sourcing. If you're available, you're welcome to take a look. Thanks! JS Vimeo (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Events updates and citation cleanup

I reviewed the citations and information in the Events' section and have some suggestions below.

• Some of the citations are old or not sourced appropriately. If editors agree, I think they should be removed. This link and this link are both dead, and were not news sources but just links to the event, which I don't think qualifies them for use on Wikipedia. Similarly, this one and this one are both event announcements from The Audio Perv, and I'm not sure that is appropriate for Wikipedia.

•  Done - Removed - I agree that these older events should be removed in their entirety. When they were first added they may have been notable, but are not any longer. - Dyork (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Citation 10 is broken, but a working version is available here

•  Done - Fixed - Thanks for the working link. - Dyork (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• The entire first of paragraph of Other events is sourced to this single Hub of China article, which does not appear to support any of the content. Should that paragraph be removed?

•  Done - Removed - I agree with the suggestion. - Dyork (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• Below are some more recent examples of events, with sources I think are appropriate. I wonder if these should be added, or if it would make sense to incorporate the Events section into History with a focus on events with quality sourcing? If editors agree, I am happy to provide text or let reviewing editors add as they see fit, whichever is preferred. This Variety piece talks about the Daytime Emmy Awards using Vimeo livestream via Vimeo OTT. This Motley Fool article mentions several other notable Vimeo Livestream users, including: Nasdaq, NYSE and Starbucks. This article from Live Design mentions the Grand Rapids Symphony adapting to the COVID-19 pandemic by using Vimeo livestream.

• @JS Vimeo: In looking at the text of the page, I agree it probably makes sense to merge the Events section into History and only include a few of the major events. Many of the events and concerts mentioned may have been "major" in the early days of livestreaming but are less notable all these years later. I would be open to looking at some text you suggest. - Dyork (talk) 02:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to leave comments or questions here or on my Talk page. Thanks, JS Vimeo (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dyork: I really appreciate you continuing to review these requests and your feedback. I've posted some possible text for merging the two sections below, and tried adding mentions of recent uses to get the article a bit more current. Let me know what you think, I'm open to suggestions. Thanks, JS Vimeo (talk) 20:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of History and Events sections

With the recent updates to this article, it seems like it would make sense to merge the Events section into history. I've proposed possible text for doing so below:

Livestream was founded as Mogulus in 2007 by Max Haot, Dayananda Nanjundappa, Phil Worthington, and Mark Kornfilt, and has offices in New York, Los Angeles, London, Zaporizhia and Bangalore. It launched with a free streaming service, and introduced its white label “pro” service in April 2008 with Gannett as its first customer. In July 2008, Gannett invested in Mogulus with $10 million in funding.

In May 2009, Mogulus rebranded as Livestream. On October 30, 2009, the Foo Fighters played their first internet-only live concert from their studio space Studio 606 in Los Angeles using Livestream. During the 2 hour and 45 minute performance, viewers were able to ask the band questions, and request songs through a custom Facebook page with an integrated chat feature. The event drew more than 150,000 viewers worldwide .

In May 2014, the company moved its headquarters from Chelsea to Brooklyn, New York. Jesse Hertzberg was appointed CEO in April 2015, with all four founders remaining with the company in senior roles. In 2017, Livestream appointed cofounder Mark Kornfilt as the new CEO.

On September 26, 2017, Livestream was acquired by IAC via subsidiary Vimeo. Vimeo incorporated Livestream into their service Vimeo Live, with plans for professional and enterprise customers. At the time Vimeo acquired Livestream, then CEO of Livestream Mark Kornflit took the position of General Manager of Live and reported to Vimeo CEO Anjali Sud.

In July 2020, the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences used Livestream via Vimeo OTT to broadcast the Daytime Emmy awards. The Grand Rapids Symphony used the same platform when it began live streaming events in September 2020 as part of its response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

As of February 2021, the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq were using Vimeo to live stream their opening and closing bells.

References

Reach out with comments or questions here or on my Talk page. Thanks! JS Vimeo (talk) 20:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

•  Done I've done this merged, finding a few other things in trying to find additional sources (eg they helped CSPAN on the 2009 inauguration livestreaming, which at that time would be significant). --Masem (t) 14:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Talk Archive page created

To make this Talk page easier to navigate and find recent requests, I have followed the manual archiving process on H:ARC to create a first archive page including sections on this Talk page from 2013-2018. I left the 2020 and 2021 discussions on this page. - Dyork (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Introduction addition

Hello! Jordan from Vimeo here with another request. Would it make sense to add mention of Vimeo purchasing Livestream in the introduction? It seems like a significant enough part of Livestream's history to summarize at the beginning. I think it could say something along the lines of "The company was originally founded as Mogulus in 2007, renamed as Livestream in 2009, and purchased by Vimeo in 2017."

Masem, thought I'd tag you here in case you'd like to weigh in or make this change if you approve.

Thank you! JS Vimeo (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

That change probably wouldn't harm the article but I don't see how it would help either. The into is short and the history section is right beneath. So readers accessing the article can understand the name acquisition and name change within only 4 or 5 sentences. I think adding the information from the history section to the intro is redundant. RFZYNSPY ^talk 06:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See above. If anyone disagrees with this, feel free to further the discussion. But since the change is small/non-contentious, I'll just be bold for now and close it. RFZYNSPY ^talk 03:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)