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The cruise ship didn't flee

It stayed until everybody on the patrol boat was saved.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52151951 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SKhaksari (talk • contribs) 14:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

who-into-whom?

The BBC article referenced above has a photo of the cruise ship's bow. The damage visible there is not consistent with the Naiguatá ramming the cruise ship. The cruise ship's bow shows small nearly head-on compression damage at the tip, area compression damage and scraping to the starboard bow. This sounds more like (sorry, OR alert) the cruise ship moving at low speed; the Naiguatá getting into its way from the starboard side to stop or divert it, and possibly misjudging the inertia of the cruise ship; then the cruise ship - possibly while slowing down or trying to evade - slowly ramming the midsection of the Naiguatá. The cruise ship's overwater bow tip would have hit somewhere on the bridge deck, and its bulbus bow pierced the Naiguatá's hull. The hit to the bridge deck would have damaged the navy boat's ability to react or to use its radio, while there would have been heavy water ingress into the hull. Himbeerkuchen (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"President of Venezuela" is ambiguous

The article refers to a statement by the "President of Venezuela". There are currently two people claiming that office (Maduro and Guaidó), so he should be referenced by name. (I feel like that should/might be the norm anyway.) -- 87.158.131.210 (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

4 MTU engines

The Navantia document refers to only 2 engines. Whoever added the 4-engine information had better add a source for it. I've templated it. XavierItzm (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary Statement on RCGS RESOLUTE incident - Columbia Cruise Services

https://www.columbia-cs.com/preliminary-statement-on-rcgs-resolute-incident/ --Jamez42 (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Venezuelan patrol boat Naiguatá

... that the Venezuelan patrol boat Naiguatá (pictured) was recently sunk in a skirmish with the RCGS Resolute?

Reviewed: Marriage bed of Henry VII

Created by XavierItzm (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 10:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The hook is not cited above; the citation that corresponds to the hook in the article is Venezuelan navy ship sinks after ramming reinforced cruise liner. I also think it would be interesting to include the fact that the sinking was a result of the Naiguatá intentionally ramming the Resolute, but the hook is interesting enough as is. No problems for me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

move page

Should this page be moved to Naiguatá (patrol boat)? —valereee (talk) 21:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

support, current naming is unusual compared to the naming of other boats/ships.--ReyHahn (talk) 14:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose correct structure as detailed at WP:NCS Lyndaship (talk) 14:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lyndaship: you probably have better knowledge on ship conventions, how does it work for this case?--ReyHahn (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For naval ships without a prefix its Nationality, ship type, name and if there has been more than one ship by that name dabbed by pennant so the existing title is absolutely correct (as far as I know there has been no other Venezuelan patrol boat named Naiguatá). Lyndaship (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

I just looked at the cruise ship's page, the incident page, and now this page, and althought the other two pages try to remain neutral and admit that not all the facts are in, this page is really biased towards the venezualn ship ramming the cruise ship. StarHOG (Talk) 15:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

Is there any evidence, that the warship rams the civilian ship and not vice-versa. (And a Newspaperarticle is not a evidence.) --2A02:8389:2181:A400:8C2E:89C9:A6B7:7C08 (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Has anybody claimed the opposite? --ReyHahn (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper articles are evidence.--Creoda (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]