Talk:United Russia

It’s far right

It’s has many far right elements Usydydjwhxyxhx (talk) 19:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Please cite some reliable sources backing up your claims. Thanks, A09|(talk) 20:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

No, this party is neither far-right nor even right-wing. Many of party members are open neo-Communists admiring USSR and Stalin, hating "nationalists, imperialists and Anglo Saxons". Russian nationalism is considered by United Russia as "a threat" - you would see any Putin's speech on this topic. TipTopUser (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

There can be considerable overlap between the far-left and the far-right. Much of the admiration for the USSR comes less from an ideological perspective and more from romanticising Russia's place on the world stage in that era. Also what they say is somewhat irrelevant given that disinformation is a major weapon of theirs. — Czello ^(music) 17:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

However, rhetoric matters, especially for definition of party's political position. Right-wing (including far-right) parties are against Communism, against mass immigration, against Leftists. Unlike United Russia that has never transmitted such or similar narratives. Instead of them we could hear about Anglo-Saxon imperialists, Western racists, suppression of African peoples, etcetera. TipTopUser (talk) 23:10, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Czello, let's achieve consensus about my edit :) The word "generally" is obviously redundant - there is no one reliable source calling united Russia as "far-right". And why does only Europe need to be mentioned there? In Asia, Africa and Latin America, United Russia supports left-wing parties including ruling ones. It could be seen in countries like China (whose Communist party is United Russia's closest ally), Cuba, Venezuela, and many others. TipTopUser (talk) 14:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Language

You use phrases such as dictator. Whether the author likes it or not, VP has the majority vote. There should be no bias in language or political bias in what is supposed to be an encyclopaedia of fact. Opinions are not true statements. Phrases such as inconsistent policies again are measured by what or whom? Are US policies consistent? UK immigration policy? Keep bias opinions out of what is claiming to be factual information., 79.140.150.245 (talk) 14:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

We use whatever wording sources use. Per the Vladimir Putin article, "dictator" is an accurate word to use. — Czello ^(music) 14:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Membership

Can editors kindly stop calling my edit "vandalism" or "disruptive". How the hell can you trust a RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT figure that claims more than 2 million members? Look at the facts. Russia's biggest party is Russia of the Future of the late Alexy Navalny. THEY only have 100,000 members by their own admission. If it was true that Putin's party had 20 times more members, then that's like saying he had 20 times more votes at the recent election. Putin's entire support base comes from pension age ex-communists who long for a Soviet Union 2.0, and even those old people are privileged. either they worked for the politbureau or they had high ranking positions before Russia's Soviet Empire collapsed in 1991. All young Russians oppose the Ukraine war, and support the party of Navalny. You all realise if we trust Russian sources, the next thing people will want RT to be classed reliable, and then the face of Wikipedia will change forever. because whatever free press in the west says is the case, Russia says the opposite. Russia doesn't even admit it is at war, it calls it a special military operation. Putin doesn't even tell his own people how Russia has all but lost the war against Ukraine, has suffered mutinies, defectors to Ukraine, and ran out of tanks with only one left in the whole of Russia for the World War 2 victory celebrations.--Will come will see (talk) 17:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Your belief that Russia of the Future is the largest party in Russia is incorrect and belongs in an encyclopedia just as little as your other generalizations and opinions. Cookieo131 (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

You called this figure disinformation without citing a source. If you have only 86 edits, I would suggest to familiarize yourself with the policies first. Mellk (talk) 08:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

You're citing a Russian government source which fails all reliability criteria. I don't know how small Putin's regime is, which is why I say "unknown". In this case, I don't have to prove disinformation. It's your job to show that 2 million figure is real. --Will come will see (talk) 08:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Political position

Can we change it's position to "Centre-right to right-wing". The currently sources describe the party like that. Altough historically it had been described as a centrist party. Hidolo (talk) 14:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hidolo I would rate it the same way. 82.82.158.68 (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Big tent is the most appropriate term. United Russia is not right-wing.

No one right-wing party admires Stalin and other Bolsheviks, but many members and supporters of United Russia do it.

No one right-wing party in Europe supports mass immigration from Asia. But now in Russia there are millions of Asian migrants. Many of whom already have Russian citezenship. TipTopUser (talk) 16:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Being Right Wing doesn't necessarily mean they are against Immigration from non-white countries. Trump and the Republican Party for example does not oppose immigration from Asia and Latin America (although they support heavily restricted immigration) but is viewed Right-wing because of their heavy Social Conservativism and support for right-wing extremism (such as Trump pardon the January 6 Insurrectionist). I do prefer it to be called big tent given members hold vatious positions but Putin is himself considered center-right to right-wing politician given he joined 'Our Home – Russia' (a center to center-right party) and 'Unity' (right-wing party) since the fall of the Soviet Union Mhaot (talk) 05:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Alledgedly "right-wing" affiliation

Hello, friends. Now in the article it's said that "United Russia is supportive of far-right parties throughout Europe". But it is a very controversial claim. Parties like Brothers of Italy or Swedish Democrats are often considered as "far-right", but have never been supported by United Russia. Moreover, many European far-rights are considered by United Russia as "neo-Nazis" and enemies.

And it's need to be said that United Russia is not a right-wing party. Many members and supporters of the party admire Soviet Communists and Stalin. Russian Communist party (KPRF) is de-facto an ally of United Russia. Russian state TV praises Stalin, Beriya and foreign Communist leaders.

European right-wing parties never support immigration from Asia. While in Russia, there are millons of such migrants. They arrived during United Russia and Putin's leadership. And many of them already received Russian passports.

In addition, United Russia supports left-wing parties in many countries, includind China, Venezuela, North Korea.

Therefore, I would like to suggest making this misleading claims about "right-wing" or even "far-right" relations more neutral or removing them. Sincerely, TipTopUser (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Specifically, I suggest either deleting the phrase "While it is generally not considered a far-right party, United Russia is supportive of far-right parties throughout Europe", or replacing it by one of the next variants:

1) "While not being a far-right party, United Russia is supportive of anti-Western and anti-Liberal parties all over the world, including some European far-right parties".

2) "United Russia expresses support for a wide range of anti-Western and anti-Liberal parties all over the world". TipTopUser (talk) 12:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. I changed it to the second option as the use of far-right is a considerably diluted and subjective term right now. As for the removal of right wing and conservative labels and the addition of United Russia supporting leftist parties, you'll have to find reliable sources for that before anyone can add it. God bless, Mario. M. (talk) 11:50, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I could suggest some sources about supporting Chinese Communist party by United Russia:

https://www.idcpc.org.cn/english2023/ttxw_5749/202212/t20221229_159155.html

https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1889118/ "To give you an example, the United Russia Party is quickly strengthening international ties with the Communist Party of China"

http://duma.gov.ru/en/news/58359/

And all the above is just a little bit - there are also left-wing parties from Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea. We cannot ignore this, mentioning only European far-rights :)

Maybe the best way would be removing this sentence, so as not to overload it with adding information about CPC and others?

In any case, mentioning only support for far-rights looks to be misleading. TipTopUser (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

uhmmm, about the political party Brothers of Italy, another italian far right party, the LSP had some members that showed support for Putin policies, this created some internal problems inside the right coalition that is governing Italy with Brothers of Italy supporting Ukraine under a sort of moderate far right ideology that agree with far right policies until them become dangerous for NATO/EU security and defence from Russia, this internal conflict is similar to the recent one between Elin Musk and Donald Trump and the Assadist Saddamist conflict or the Sino-Soviet split Boackandwhite (talk) 20:45, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Ideolgies that should be added:

Some faction of the parties support Conservative liberalism or Social liberalism, both ideologies of two predecessor parties, not all embrace the new ideologies. 78.54.33.190 (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2025

In the section History#2001–2003, change plain text "Franz Klintsevich" to linked [[Frants Klintsevich]]. This individual now has an article, Frants Klintsevich. 94.9.224.85 (talk) 02:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done MadGuy7023 (talk) 06:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

This has created the redlinked Franz Klintsevich, please change this to Frants Klintsevich. 94.9.224.85 (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done /etc/owuh $ (💬 | she/her) 16:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Putinism

I think we should add putinism as ideology of the party, United Russia showed support for litterally every policy of Putin and his self was a member until 2012 when he quit for the corruption scandal of Medvedev, the current leader that have a close political relation with putin (Medvedev Putin tandemocracy) Boackandwhite (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Ahem... can someone answer me? Boackandwhite (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2025 (UTC)