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Name Change issues

Hi, there have been a series of edits in or around 8pm GMT 11/11/2011 around the naming of Tyson. BBC 5 Live(UK radio station) interviewed the boxer at this time, and during the interview the boxer stated that his name was "Tyson Luke Fury" as opposed to "Luke Tyson Fury". I'm not asserting one form or the other, simply stating that this is likely where this series of edits came from. His Wikipedia entry was referenced at this time (A running joke on this particular radio programme being that one of the pundits does his research on guests by consulting Wikipedia). Darigan (talk) 20:30, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately we do not have a ref for that. We do have a ref for the Luke Tyson Fury name (see ref 2, The Independent, "Travelling tyros settle in for white-knuckle ride"). Verifiable if not true. Ericoides (talk) 09:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

His real name is Tyson Luke Fury, as confirmed by his family and proven by his wife Paris, who uploaded a photo of his passport via twitter.

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File:Tyson Fury's Passport.jpg
Photo of Tyson Fury's passport.

) "Paris fury ‏@parisfury1 23 Oct 2012

@boycie85 just to show what u know! and anyone else inc Wikipedia who thinks its Luke https://twitter.com/parisfury1/status/260844544835330048/photo/1 pic.twitter.com/sz4BJwdL" The current cite to an old newspaper article is a highly dubious source so needs changing. (I'd do it but new to Wikipedia and not sure how. Cheers- Beastchops (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Update.

He's got another fight coming up against Martin Rogan, yet there's no mention of it here. 92.7.109.145 (talk) 16:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Vacated titles

Fury vacated two titles. He stated that Price turned down a deal and that he vacated the titles to pursue a world title. Price's camp said he was avoiding fighting Price. Usual boxing nonsense. The only thing here that is fact is that he vacated the titles. Speculation about avoiding Price does not belong in the article. --Michig (talk) 06:25, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Its widely reported that Fury avoided Price.

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/12/05/16/BOXING_Column.html&BID=543 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boxerboi31 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

{{Request edit}} Not done:

It should be added that Fury vacated his titles in Febuary 2012 and that he was beaten rival by David Price as an amatuer.

Sorces

"Price - who beat Fury when both men were in the amateur ranks - believes his rival is running scared from a bout he knows he would lose"

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/135348.html


Tyson fury has challenged UFC champ, Cain Valesquez repeatedly to a UFC match, *though he has zero MMA experience* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.113.124 (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

"Price, who beat Fury as an amateur in the senior national championships in 2006, said beating Sexton would be more of a challenge"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/16964706

Tyson Fury Vacates British and Commenwealth titles.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/135334.html


Its widely reported that Fury vacated his titles to avoid facing mandatory challenger David Price. Why else would Fury vacate the titles after he had only just won them? Beacause he was forced to either fight mandatory undefeated challenger Price (who beat Fury as an amatuer) or vacate them, so Fury vacated them. Fury claimed he vacated the titles because "Its time to move on to better things im ranked no 7 in the world" Then he went on to fight for a much less important Irish title against an over the hill 40 odd year old challenger.

It should atleast be added that Fury vacated the titles and that rival David Price beat him as an amatuer surley?--Boxerboi31 (talk) 10:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

His defeat to Price as an amateur is already mentioned in the section on his amateur career where it belongs, and the article already mentions that Fury vacated the titles. Neither needs to be repeated in the lede. It's the Price camp's opinion/claim that Fury vacated the titles to avoid fighting Price. The Fury camp's claim is that he vacated them to pursue a World title and that Price turned down an offer to fight Fury. Why should we take the Price side as fact? The only thing we can say for certain is that Fury vacated the titles and that he stated his reasons for doing so. This article isn't about David Price. --Michig (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Fury's fooling knobody, he said 'He vacated the titles so he could chase a world title' fighting for the Irish title against an over the hill 41yr old isn't chasing a world title, and why vacate them anyway? lol Then brands Price a "bum" yet Price beat him. lol Only possible reason for vacating them is to avoid Price because Price is a big threat at Furys world title shot and big pay day, Price would beat him and he'd lose all that big title fight and pay day.

The media can all see and are reporting Furys ducking Price it's that obvious and the media don't usually pick sides!

Let's see who his next opponent is, that world title fight he's chasing or another over the hill fighter? =p — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.182.113 (talk) 12:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

professional career issues

Wow, editors must really hate Tyson Fury, its very critical. The line about "controversial win over Chisora should be removed, there's absolutely no controversy about that fight, at least not among credible boxing commentators and analysts (or even uncredible, so far as I'm aware of). It was an uncontested unanimous decision, Chisora had one great round and was dominated most of the rest of the fight. And I'm a heavyweight boxing fan, not a Tyson Fury fan, let's just see a little less biased writting in here.

The section on Fury's professional career is witting from a technical boxing POV, contains a lot of ephemera surrounding what his religious beliefs, such as his activities surrounding the Chisora fight. The section is also written in a way which promotes him as a boxer and reads like a commentary on his fights and continuously comes across in an overtly promotional way. These issues need sorting out to bring this up to an encyclopaedic standards. Sport and politics (talk) 20:45, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring

Looking through the history of this page there has been edit warring going on for the last week, with no attempt by anyone to engage in discussion. I have blocked two of the editors involved, another is very close to being blocked. This will not be resolved by continually reverting each other. Discuss it here to reach consensus. --Michig (talk) 13:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

request edit

The page says Tyson's Nationality is Irish, but he's British.

If you watched his fight in America tonight, they announced him as British and from the UK. When you read articles about him they all say he's British.

I know he has Irish heritage, but he was born and raised and lived all his life in England Britain. Do Americans who have Irish heritage label themselves as Irish or American?

Like i said, articles all have him down as British, all the official boxing authorities have him down as British.

Official Box Rec Rankings...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=479205&cat=boxer

Article from tonight...

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/203415.html

His American debut fight tonight....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2agUy8K6yA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.211.102 (talk) 00:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Already done. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Should be Anglo-Irish, he's a dual national of Eire and UK.

Teetotaller

Should say he doesn't drink, and also he loves karaoke and R'n'B. He said para-sang Beyone's Ego after fight, 'He talk like this 'cause he can back it up'

He specified on JRE MMA Show #47 Oct 2018 "I am not teetotal" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.110.175.110 (talk) 07:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 April 2013

Replace:

On 1 December 2012, Fury fought American Steve Cunningham and knocked him out in the seventh round, winning his United States debut. [29]

With:

On 20 April 2013, Fury fought American Steve Cunningham and knocked him out in the seventh round, winning his United States debut. [29]

122.59.12.28 (talk) 05:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks like this change is already in place. RudolfRed (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Date of birth

Boxrec says that his d.o.b is 1 june 1988, here it is displayed as 12 august 1988, which one is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.216.239 (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


Nationality

I would wager that citizenship and countries represented are effectively the same thing as nationality - or at least, help to establish the nationality of an individual. Nationality is determined by citizenship; otherwise, dual nationality would be an impossible status to hold. Furthermore, if things such as place of birth were the only factor determining nationality, this would also mean that a person cannot become naturalised and become a national of their adopted homeland, a notion which I find frightfully nationalistic.

The fact that he holds citizenship and passports for both countries, has represented both countries in professional boxing and identifies with both nations add credence to this argument.

So, in the name of balance and fairness, I suggest that Tyson Fury's nationality in the lede is ammended to include both Britain and Ireland. I am eager to hear from other users before I make a change, as I am keen to avoid an edit war. YouOnlyMakeMeStronger (talk) 19:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

What evidence do you have that he has Irish citizenship? Countries represented are not the same thing as nationality - just look at the Irish football team for example, which has had several players over the years who qualified for Ireland via a grandparent's Irish nationality, or international Rugby Union teams that have similar instances of players with one nationality representing a different country. Surely the sources in the article (e.g. this one) stating that he was ineligible to compete in the Irish championships in 2007 on account of not being Irish, suggest that he is not an Irish citizen?--Michig (talk) 19:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Well then, I think you've got me there. The article and numerous sources had led me to believe that he had acquired Irish citizenship through his father, so I wasn't expecting to see a source show that this wasn't the case. One year in Ireland does not count as "settled" either, so it would seem he isn't actually eligble for Irish citizenship and is simply quite proud of his roots.

This being the case, it appears that the info box and opening paragraph need to be ammended. I will leave a period for 24 hours to see if anyone has any credible objections, but if not, I shall change it myself. YouOnlyMakeMeStronger (talk) 16:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

What are the rules about nationality on wikipedia? Shouldn't he be called Irish, since he self identifies as Irish? You only have to search his twitter feed for the words Irish, British or English to see that he considers himself Irish. Sweeney581 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm new to wikipedia, so don't know if this is the right way to request an edit, but shouldn't his nationality be changed to Irish (possibly in addition to British) in light of (for example) the following tweets: https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/257934810046136320 (the tweet at1:15 PM - 15 Oct 12 (GMT-07:00)) and https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/313316876044361730? Alternatively, the most accurate description might be to just describe him specifically as an Irish traveller in the lead? Sweeney581 (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, regarding his nationality, if his father was born in Ireland (as the article currently states, and there are lots of references claiming it), he is automatically an Irish citizen. Sweeney581 (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Nationality is either based on sporting nationality or actual nationality, at the current time Fury is British in both.
"if his father was born in Ireland (as the article currently states, and there are lots of references claiming it), he is automatically an Irish citizen", no he is entitled to Irish citzenship, but you need to prove he has Irish citizenship. Murry1975 (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Look up http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Irish_nationality_law. It's automatic for parents born in Ireland, you only need to claim it if it goes back further than your parents. Sweeney581 (talk) 15:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
How about leaving the beginning then, if you think that his British license means he's a British boxer, but changing his nationality to British and Irish in the box on the right? Sweeney581 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
is entitled to be an Irish citizen if at least one , and a couple of things. One we dont use wiki as a reference, two that box is called the info box. You will get used to things on here. Again I would ask for proof that he is an Irish citizen. Murry1975 (talk) 15:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

That wikipedia link just says the same as http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html. It says: "If either of your parents was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, then you are automatically an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth.". Since his dad would have automatically been an Irish citizen because he was born in Ireland, he is also automatically an Irish citizen. So it doesn't matter if he has an Irish passport, as long as he hasn't actually renounced his citizenship, he's an Irish citizen. One last thing, for the beginning of the article, shouldn't it at least say that he's "of Irish descent"? Sweeney581 (talk) 16:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

That is taken from the section which is headed Citizenship through birth in Ireland, there is this part "If you were born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen who was himself or herself born outside Ireland and if any of your grandparents was born in Ireland, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen".Murry1975 (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

The bit you've quoted is if you are born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen born outside Ireland. Since Tyson Fury was born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen born inside Ireland, he's automatically an Irish citizen, not just entitled to Irish citizenship. Look at the table in the middle of the page, he's "C" in the table. Sweeney581 (talk) 16:31, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

In light of the above, would anyone object to Tyson Fury being described as a "British professional boxer of Irish descent" in the lead, and his nationality being changed to "British, Irish" in the infobox? Sweeney581 (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes as he doesnt use it himself, and you have to be able to add a WP:RS saying he does, a third party source, making it clear its not about his ethnic back ground. As for British of Irish decent, the guidelines at WP:BLP, would go against this, as you may point out it is used on other articles, uless there is consensus to do so, it shouldnt. 16:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, not sure what you're referring to when you say he doesn't use "it" himself, that he's Irish, or that he's of Irish descent? In either case, I don't see how the following interview doesn't suggest that he considers himself to be Irish: http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/other-sport/boxing/tyson-fury-reveals-how-hes-2052999. This isn't an unusual statement for him, throughout his career he's made similar comments, see for example also his twitter comments that I posted earlier (and there's probably lots more like that, they were just the first ones I found). He's also repeatedly claimed to be fighting for Ireland, see http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/07/02/fury-says-haye-bout-will-be-ireland-v-england-battle.html and http://www.irishcentral.com/sport/Tyson-Fury-en-route-to-MSG-says-I-fight-for-Ireland-I-am-no-Plastic-Paddy-202301431.html. Additionally, as I've already explained, he's automatically an Irish citizen through his father. I'd say he would most accurately be described as Irish, or British/Irish.
I've noticed that articles rarely mention the ancestry of a person in the lead. Why is that? In the guidelines you linked to I couldn't find any mention of not including heritage. Did you mean a more general guideline that implies this, or did I miss something? I also think just mentioning the fact that he's of Irish descent would make more sense in the lead than the current reference to Olympics and what countries he's entitled to represent, which for a professional boxer doesn't really have to be mentioned in the lead, and would probably make more sense in the body of the article. Sweeney581 (talk) 17:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The reason why ancestry is rarely mentioned in the lead is because it is often irrelevant with regards to their notability and who they are as a person, as opposed to nationality which is almost always relevant. Furthermore, including ethnicity in the lead can cause confusion, e.g. an article where a British individual's Irish ancestry is emphasized in the lead might lead people to incorrectly believe that they are Irish as opposed to British. As a result, ethnicity is very rarely mentioned (especially not in the lead) as per MOS:BIO.

However, I would agree that it is worth mentioning Fury's Irishness here. While it is generally bad practice to do this, the guidelines do state that exceptions can be made if it is relevant to the individual's notability, and, due to his past representation of Ireland in certain competitions, it most certainly is relevant. Therefore, I would support mentioning his Irishness in the lead of the article.

This would be an exception as opposed to the rule, though. VoiceOfReason922 (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Why change the infobox? And the fact of his Irishness is mentioned in the lead alread, it just needs a porper cite. Murry1975 (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the infobox, I thought I'd explained above why he is Irish. What part of the explanation do you disagree with? As for the lead, it just seems strange to not mention in the opening sentence describing him as a "British professional boxer", the fact that he's of Irish descent. Going by the argument VoiceofReason made, we're not talking about somebody of Irish descent for whom this isn't important. For Tyson Fury, as you can see from so many of his interviews, his background is very important. Possibly the most important fact about his background, the fact that he's an Irish traveller isn't even mentioned in the lead at all, even though I think it's fairly obvious that knowing that Tyson Fury is an Irish traveller tells you much more about him than his nationality. I don't want to push for this if other people think it's unreasonable because I don't know how Irish travellers are usually described, but one option would actually just be to describe him just as an Irish traveller in the lead, without mentioning his nationality at all (and leaving that to the infobox). I have one last question, if there is no consensus, why did you revert my change to a version about which there isn't a consensus either? Sweeney581 (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Oppose Sweeney's arguments. Also "Irish traveller" is simply putting Irish in the lede via the back door, for why not simply "traveller". Also descent is not vital or even needed in the lede, for what makes one descent more important than another? Mabuska (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

What do you oppose, mentioning that he's of Irish descent in the lead, putting Irish as his nationality in the infobox, or calling him an Irish traveller in the lead (or all three)? Why are you opposed to those changes, I think I've explained in the above both why they are correct, and why they belong. To answer your question why his descent is important, his Irish traveller background is very important to him, since for Fury, and indeed most Irish travellers it's not just their descent, but affects to a large extent their lifestyles. I don't understand why you would write traveller, when it's ambiguous, he's a particular type of traveller. Sweeney581 (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Because consensus isnt in favor of it. Also you are failing to show that he uses his Irish nationality, once he box under an Irish pro-liecence and has since lost it by default- by using his British one, this is a clear indication of his nationality. Murry1975 (talk) 17:47, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Which is why I only want the infobox nationality changed to Irish, and I accepted that he would remain as a British boxer in the lead, adding only that he is of Irish descent. The nationality in his infobox is surely just his actually nationality, and not anything to do with what license he uses (not that I agree that he should actually be considered a British boxer by virtue of this, but as a compromise I can accept it. The license actually has nothing to do with nationality, and for example Choi Tseveenpurev boxes under a British license even though he is Mongolian) Sweeney581 (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
No explicit evidence of Irish nationality, and as I said what makes his descent so important? He may have for all we know have Albanian descent as well but are you pushing to highlight what other descent he may have? The Fury surname can be either Irish or Norman in origin, so why not state that he is of possible Hiberno-Norman descent as well then? It has as much backing as your nationality claims. Mabuska (talk) 12:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Tyson_Fury#Background makes it obvious that he has Irish descent, so why does it need to be stated in the lede and giving so much prominence over everything else? So his dad is from Ireland and his maternal grandmother is too, but what about his descent via his maternal grandfather which is apparently not Irish? Why aren't you seeking to include that descent as well? That is why WP:MOSBIO says to leave ethnicity out of the lede and descent is very similar to ethnicity. Mabuska (talk) 12:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how there can be any dispute about his nationality given that his dad was (at least according to this wikipedia article and lots of sources) born in Ireland before 2005. As for why we should give his Irish ancestry prominence in the lead, you will see plenty of interviews from Fury where you see that he considers himself Irish (see http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/07/02/fury-says-haye-bout-will-be-ireland-v-england-battle.html and http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/other-sport/boxing/tyson-fury-reveals-how-hes-2052999), so if anything is being given undue prominence, it's his British nationality, not his Irishness. I'm not sure about this, but I think his maternal grandfather is of mixed Irish traveller/Romani descent himself. I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make with the Albanian or Norman thing, but surely you can see that Tyson Fury's situation isn't the same as somebody who just happens to have a distant Albanian ancestor or surname. WP:MOSBIO says to leave ethnicity out unless it is relevant to his notability, but his Irish traveller background is a big part of his notability. Sweeney581 (talk) 12:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Oppose Sweeney's arguments. At first they seemed reasonable, but now that they've been fully laid on the table it's clear that they are critically flawed.

  • No, his descent as an Irish traveler is in no way shape or form as important as his nationality. It is important to a degree, but nationality obviously tells us far more about an individual and about THIS particular individual than descent ever could.
  • While an argument could be made for the inclusion of his ethnicity/descent, it cannot ever be asserted over or instead of a nationality. While MOS:BIO allows for exceptions where ethnicity can be included along with nationality in certain examples, under no circumstances can ethnicity be used to the exclusion of a proven nationality.
  • There is indeed no dispute about nationality, as he is clearly British with Irish descent. He was born and raised in Britain, holds a British passport and citizenship, has boxed for Britain, and currently has an exclusively British boxing licence. His claim to Irish nationality has actually proven to be tenuous and he has actually struggled to prove it, instead only managing to show family ties to Belfast which again is a part of Britain. Therefore, if the infobox showed his "actual nationality", it would undeniably be British. We are debating his Irish ethnicity, not his nationality.
  • Yes, having a British boxing licence is evidence of being British. Choi Tseveenpurev has adopted a British boxing licence because he has adopted British citizenship.
  • Although I'm speaking for someone else here, the comments regarding Albanian ancestry or whatever were made to highlight something important that you have overlooked - descent=/=nationality. It does not matter where his father or grandfather hailed from as descent does not impact upon your nationality. Instead, it merely grants you certain legal rights to obtaining citizenship should you so choose, as nationality is obtained as opposed to being somehow hereditary. His parents could be Peruvian for all it matters - if he was born and raised in British and holds British citizenship, he is British.
  • Considering the fact that he is clearly British, his Britishness is not overstated.
  • Considering the fact that his claims to Irishness are tenuous and the fact that descent is nowhere near as important as nationality, his Irishness is not understated.
  • When you make an edit that is contentious/problematic/wrong, it gets reverted and you require consensus to include your proposed edits. We do not, however, require consensus to maintain the status quo - it is your responsibility to establish consensus for a contentious edit, not out responsibility to establish consensus to maintain an acceptable status quo. This place would be chaos otherwise.

Sorry if I seem a little rude, I don't mean to be, just trying to be direct. Anyway, with 3 against 1 I think it's fair to say that the edits aren't being instated unless someone else throws in their two cents. VoiceOfReason922 (talk) 21:34, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I've no problem accepting this, but I'll just address some of your points anyway, because I think you might have misunderstood some of what I wrote. I wasn't arguing for any changes to the article beyond adding "British profssional boxer of Irish descent" to the lead and adding Irish nationality to the infobox. Are you opposed to these changes too? If so, both of them, or just the nationality in the infobox?
The other points were just my opinions about what was more important, even though I knew that didn't make them suitable for the actual wikipedia article.
1. Like I said, this wasn't meant to actually replace his British nationality in the article, but I think knowing that somebody is an Irish traveller tells you more about them than knowing that they're British.
2. I wasn't actually asking for this.
3. He is clearly British, but if, as the article currently states, his father was actually born in Ireland, he is also clearly Irish. This is in terms of citizenship, he would then be case C in the table on http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship. He had problems finding birth records for his parents and grandparents, whether this is because he's lying or due to travellers often not having birth records isn't clear.
4. I was under the impression that you didn't need British citizenship to get a BBBofC license, maybe Choi has citizenship, but are you sure that it's actually required? It isn't in many other countries.
5. In the Irish case, this is not true, if his father really was born in Galway, he would automatically be an Irish citizen.
7. This is the main point to me, while descent mightn't generally be important, in the case of Tyson Fury, it's clearly very important. Sweeney581 (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Whilst I'm definitely opposed to adding "Irish" to his inbox nationality as this clearly isn't the case, I'm not opposing inclusion of "Irish descent" in the lead as it is indeed quite relevant to him and his career. My opposition is to any suggestion that his nationality is Irish, or any underplaying of his Britishness.

Anyway, on to the points:

1. You're wrong here I'm afraid, as nationality is almost always more important. Knowing that someone is British tells you far more about them than knowing that they are an Irish traveler, and it is more important in this case. Also, you did suggest replacing "British" with "Irish traveler" at one point.
2. You did, actually - "one option would actually just be to describe him just as an Irish traveler in the lead, without mentioning his nationality at all".
3. No, I would contest this as well. It is irrelevant where is father is born, and it is irrelevant what the laws are regarding where he is from. Even if he is an Irish citizen by law, his nationality would still not be Irish if he had been born and raised elsewhere. The law is illogical and flawed, and must be ignored to maintain integrity. Other aspects are more important when determining nationality than the birthplace of your parents; after all, nationality is not hereditary.
4. I think that's the case, but then again citizenship is only evidence of nationality as opposed to the be-all and end-all of the matter, so it wouldn't settle the issue either way.
5. In every case, this is true. The birthplace of your parents is always irrelevant - it is where the individual is born and raised that counts. Nationality of parents only determines an individual's descent, not their nationality itself.
6. Fair enough, I agree here. It's definitely important both to who he is as a person as well as his career, so I would support a change to the lead stating "British of Irish descent". VoiceOfReason922 (talk) 12:54, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I dont think it belongs in the lead and is perfectly covered in background. The lead is meant to show main points of the the artcile in a summarised version. Murry1975 (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it does either as "Irish descent" is stating ethnicity and it is not a defining feature of Tyson Fury to merit an exception to WP:MOSBIO. An example of where it is a defining feature and merits an inclusion is Patrick Pearse - he was a British citizen, and there was no such thing as an Irish citizen back then, just ethnicity, however he was an Irish republican and fought and ultimately died for that belief. That merits calling him Irish in the lede of the article. Mabuska (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Mabuska and Murry1975, wouldn't you regard the fact that he claims to represent Ireland, not England, as evidence that his Irish descent is important to understanding his career as a boxer, and therefore belongs in the lead? Since he hasn't gone and died for Ireland, I'm not going to say that it's up there with Padraig Pearse, but that's a pretty high bar to set! Sweeney581 (talk) 13:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
And has forfieted his Irish licience while keeping his British one so he can figth in the UK? Murry1975 (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
We've already discussed that point. A license is a practical matter, not a statement of allegiance. In any event, we're not talking about removing the fact that he's British (or at this stage, even claiming his nationality is Irish), but rather adding the very relevant (and important to him) fact that he's of Irish descent to the lead. Sweeney581 (talk) 19:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It is stated in the background section where it is permitted by WP:MOSBIO. Your suggestion violates WP:MOSBIO in my perspective. Seeing as it is stated in the article why can't you be happy at that? Why are pushing it so hard? There is clearly no consensus for your change, so I would drop it and maybe raise it in several months time to see if opinion or contributors have changed. Mabuska (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Place of birth

Does anyone have a reference for the place of birth being Wythenshawe? This BBC Sport article [1] states Wilmslow. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Nationality

Fury has Irish citizenship, self-identifies as Irish, and has competed as Irish. Why should he not be referred to as Irish in the lede? 79.97.226.247 (talk) 19:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Because he's British? Nationality goes in the lede, not ethnicity. --Michig (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not talking about his ethnicity, I'm talking about his nationality. He holds both Irish and British citizenship, has competed as both British and Irish, and self-identifies as Irish. He is Irish as well as British. The two are not mutually exclusive. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 21:31, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth , WP:BLPLEAD
"In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable."(my emphasis)
He was notable before he got an Irish passport to fight one fight. Murry1975 (talk) 21:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Possession of a passport is not the same thing as citizenship. A passport is a document used for international travel. Fury is an Irish citizen from birth. Furthermore, citizenship and nationality are related, but not identical, concepts. To draw a parallel, Alex Salmond "is a Scottish politician who served as the fourth First Minister of Scotland from 2007 to 2014." The fact that Salmond is a British citizen, and that there is no such thing as Scottish citizenship, does not make him any less Scottish. Fury holds dual Irish and British citizenship, and self-identifies as Irish. Descring him as Irish-British or British-Irish seems like the most sensible option, as he is both. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 21:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
A passport is part of your right as a citizen. For Irish law citizenship and nationality are the same. Fury was not Irish from birth "Fury twice boxed for Ireland, against Poland and the USA - winning both bouts by knockout - but was forced out of the Irish national championships after protests about his eligibility" and 24-year-old boxer, whose family lineage is traced to Belfast, will fight former world heavyweight champion Haye on September 28 at Manchester Arena, show that he wasnt eligible from birth. His father is said to be from Galway, and this would have been easier to prove, but wasnt proven. So indeed the only time he used his "Irish" citizenship was after he became notable and for night only.... Murry1975 (talk) 12:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
A passport may be part of a citizen's rights, but not having a passport does not mean that someone is not a citizen. Many people go their whole lives without a passport. He is a citizen from birth. A private sporting body's eligibility rules are not the same thing as nationality. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 14:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
He was unable to prove he had the right from birth. He was not able to prove his father was born in Galway. Hence Why he had to find a grandparent who was born in Belfast. And as a grand child he is not entitled to it from birth. Murry1975 (talk) 09:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
He didn't have a "right" or "entitlement" to prove; as explained above, he was born a citizen. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 22:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
As proved above he traced a grand parent as being born in Belfast, not one of his parents, therefore not a citizen at birth. Murry1975 (talk) 08:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
As already explained, a Galway born father means that he was born a citizen. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 16:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
As already explaind no evidence of his father being born in Galway. His grandfather was, before they settled in the Belfast area. About 25 seconds into the video if you bother looking. Murry1975 (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

As already explained, his father comes from Galway if you bothered looking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.226.247 (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Do your homework, Gypsy John was born Leiston, Suffolk. Not Galway or Tuam. As it has been stated above and in the article, he is not a citizen from birth. Murry1975 (talk) 19:38, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
[Do your homework.| http://www.tuamherald.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/03/28/4029060-tyson-fury-for-galway-next-week] I would be quite reluctant to use a website as a reference when it [asks its users for corrections |http://boxrec.com/about.php] 79.97.226.247 (talk) 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC: How should Fury's nationality be described?

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There's no evidence of consensus here. I would lean towards "British-born Irish" but it's not my call. It seems as if a more focused question may be required. Guy (Help!) 09:32, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Should Fury's nationality be described as Irish, British, Irish-British, British-Irish, or something else? He is a national of, and has competed and won at the championships of both Britain and Ireland. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

As always an IP appears trying to push this agenda. British is suffice seeing as that is what he is. Just because some other country's laws state that someone born in such circumstances automatically makes them an Irish citizen doesn't mean that that person actually regards themselves as being so. Even better, instead of trying to put an ownership on him, we can omit it altogether and simply state that he is from England. Mabuska (talk) 14:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
What "agenda" am I trying to push? Please assume good faith and remember that IPs are human too and that You are an IP too. As I have already pointed out, he does consider himself to be Irish: | "I have always said that I want to make history by becoming the first Irishman to win the World heavyweight title and that is still the case - and I would love it to be in Ireland, that would be the dream". | "I was born in Manchester and raised around the area all my life but I've always been brought up to say that, y'know, you're Irish ... I've come to a conclusion, I'm a Manchester Irishman". He is both Irish and British. The two are not mutually exclusive. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 14:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
IP, all the links you provided above, where he and his manager allegedly identify him as Irish appear to be broken links? I got errors on all the ones I clicked on. It may be a tough call, because it sounds like he is referring to himself as identifying with Irish culture, as oppose to say that he is actually, technically of Irish nationality.
Michig, would you kindly point us and anyone else that joins the RFC to any sources that identify him as British? That are not just referring to British titles, or tournaments, but are clearly referring to his nationality? I didn't find any of these either after skimming the article and Talk page.
As far as I can tell, I haven't seen any reliable sources presented in this string, with working links, for either side of the argument. I'll poke around a bit as well. CorporateM (Talk) 08:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Links are fixed now. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 14:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

His official Facebook page refers to him as Irish. This source says "half-British, half-Irish." The source isn't available online, but the Belfast Telegraph said "Fury, whose uncle lives in Nutts Corner, boxed for Ireland....It was said that he was unable to prove his Irish ancestry..." I think it is an issue worth discussing and seeing if anyone can turn up more sources for. I would lean towards not including it in the infobox and summarizing the debate in article-space. CorporateM (Talk) 09:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

CorporateM, there is a picture above of his passport, taken from his official twitter feed. It is used as a ref to prove his name, it is a British passport. So without doubt we can use British, the point being all along can we use anything else? As per BLP
"In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable."(my emphasis)
This is all a basic re-hash of the above, with the sole point of using Irish in some form in the lead. Murry1975 (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Well without doubt he is also Irish and identifies as such, so why do you object to identifying him as both? 79.97.226.247 (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment Summoned here by RfC bot. Why not say something like you say in the RfC - that he is "a national of, and has competed and won at the championships of both Britain and Ireland." We're not a Nationality Tribunal. Coretheapple (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment also summoned by botomatic. He clearly has British and Irish citizenship and is ethnically part Irish, and is clearly very, very proud of his Irish heritage - see here where he talks about his Irish citizenship papers and what he had to do to get it (Tyson Fury: Proud Of His Irish Roots). I do like the person's nationality to be mentioned in the first sentence when possible, so I would suggest this lead: "Tyson Luke Fury (born 12 August 1988) is a professional boxer who has represented both Great Britain and Ireland internationally." I think that summarizes it efficiently, his birth location is right there in the infobox; and all information about his heritage and competition history should be explained in the article. —МандичкаYO 😜 00:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment would is an anglo-irish professional boxer who has represented both Great Britain and Ireland internationally work. MilborneOne (talk) 20:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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How should Fury's nationality be described?

I see that there was a previous RfC which was inconclusive. In this RfC there is a pretty good consensus for "British/Irish" or "British and Irish" or some similar variant. Having simply "Irish" does not find support. (non-admin closure) Kingsindian ♝♚ 08:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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This is still not resolved and there is an edit war going on regarding his nationality. I propose he be listed as Irish / British, with Irish being the predominant nationality. The reasons? He fights with Irish colours (green shorts and shamrock) and this article clearly states that he considers himself Irish: http://www.irishcentral.com/sports/tyson-fury-en-route-to-msg-says-i-fight-for-ireland-i-am-no-plastic-paddy-202301431-237579631.html

He vacated all British titles to compete for the Irish titles and abandoned all his connections with representing Britain to represent Ireland (and you must hold an Irish passport to do so), as that is his chosen nationality. User:LeinsterLad

Ok... Fury was born and raised in Manchester to Mancunian parents. That makes him British primarily. Surely he can't be listed as Irish because his great, great, great grandfather was from Ireland? Hell, if he was Irish, wouldn't he be fighting in Ireland all the time? He's only fought once in Ireland. If anything he should be listed as British from Irish descent. Boxrec and The Ring both have him listed as British also. 85.210.140.255 (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I removed the RfC template as LegoBot automatically replaced the previously RfC close template with yours causing them both to merge together into one making it look like you are altering a closed RfC. Mabuska (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I've now re-added your RfC request properly. I also signed your comment User:LeinsterLad seeing as you neglected to do so and with the IP not indenting their response (which I have now done) to you what is above my comments looked like a bi-polar edit by the IP. Mabuska (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
On the topic. Is there evidence that Fury renounced his British citizenship? If not then he is still technically British. On the grounds that he is an Irish citizen because of the Republic's citizenship law which means he can be one due to his father being born in Ireland, and his self-identification as Irish, "Dual British-Irish" or something may be more suitable? Mabuska (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
The first sentence states why he's notable -- he's a boxer. In that sentence, it qualifies his boxing locale – British. That does imply a nationality, but that's not actually relevant to his notability. I favor changing that to "in Great Britain" or UK or England or whatever. I'd be okay with "and Ireland" if he's also notably been with Irish locales. This would all be based on sources, of course, focusing on his boxing, only. Based on what I can see of his professional record, per WP:UNDUE, I don't think Ireland would qualify (no more than Germany, US or Canada).
The only other way I can see adding "Irish" to the first sentence is if his "Irish-ness" itself was notable or controversial in some way, based on sources, of course.
"Irish" can go in pretty soon after the first sentence, however. How about "British and Irish" as "nationality" in the infobox? --A D Monroe III (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
As has been gone over ad nauseam in previous discussions, he is both British and Irish, he has represented both countries, and he identifies as a "Manchester Irishman," and his facebook page states "Nationality Irish ,English". There's no point in arguing over whether he's one or the other, he's clearly both. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

User:A D Monroe III: How about "British and Irish" as "nationality" in the infobox?, that essentially equates to my suggestion of "Dual British-Irish". The IP also suggests stating both. No-one has come and disagreed with those suggestions since we made them so I suggest we now change the infobox to state "British and Irish". Mabuska (talk) 13:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Clarification: I'm fine with the infobox nationality stating both; the nature of infobox is to list a few simple common factoids, like nationality, even if not particularly relevant. But as a boxer, I've seen nothing that says he's "Irish". (His own statements, facebook and manager are primary sources; we need independent secondary ones.) When describing him as a boxing professional in the lede, if any region is stated, it would have to be UK. And it is relevant to state a region for boxing. --A D Monroe III (talk) 15:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
["half-British, half-Irish"|http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/tyson-fury-boxings-new-folk-hero] 79.97.226.247 (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
That quote is about his nationality, not his boxing, and is out-of-context. The full quote is "I wonder how much being a half-British, half-Irish, all-Traveller plays in this lack of interest in nationality or hometown allegiances." It's preceded by "Fury bitterly responded... 'I'm not representing any country, any city – I'm representing me.'" That might support not having "Irish" for boxing.
I'm sure if we searched hard enough, we could find a one or two sources actually referencing his Irish-ness in boxing, but per WP:UNDUE, these wouldn't count against the long list of official WP:RSs for his UK-ness in boxing. Again, I'm fine with "British and Irish" for "nationality" in the infobox -- just not his actual boxing representation in the lede first sentence.
I agree with Mabuska that we can close this as consensus for "Nationality=British and Irish" in the infobox. The lede, currently, doesn't mention either "British" or "Irish" in the first sentence, but mentions both later in the lede; that should stay as-is. We simply shouldn't say he's an "Irish boxer". --A D Monroe III (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm really not seeing how you could argue that his nationality is different in different contexts. He is a citizen of both countries. He identifies as a national of both countries. He has boxed in both countries. He has boxed for both countries. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 12:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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Height

Could do with a better source then the user-generated boxrec.com for his height. Having seen Fury and Klitschko at the weigh-in today I have a hard time believing Fury is 3 inches taller. --Michig (talk) 20:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I haven't seen any height other than 6' 9" stated on his various tales of the tape. Maybe Klitschko was wearing shoes with a raised sole, who knows.Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Klitschko was found to be wearing shoes with raised soles.

Fellow boxer David Price is billed at 6' 8" and is slightly taller as evident in photos of the 2 together, so Fury cannot be 6' 9". Fury is more like 6' 7.5". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.52.18 (talk)

WP:No original research. All reliable sources say 6'9. – 2.O.Boxing 13:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2015

Following Tyson Fury's UD win over Wladimir Klitschko there's new information to be added to certain sections of the article. Jimmyfoutz (talk) 04:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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Catholic?

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2015/11/25/archive-interview-tyson-fury-the-boxer-who-prays-for-his-opponents/

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2015

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Edit request: Born 3 months premature weighing 1lb

Pertinent information that should be added under 'Background' section. Fury was born 3 months premature and weighed only 1lb at birth. Link below:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-weighed-just-1lb-6870535

Yes, that information was also included in the BBC News report of his win. But a much better source than The Mirror is required. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2015

195.254.169.103 (talk) 08:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC) Just wanted to add the fact that he has 2 children, and lost a couple as well.

You need to offer a reliable source. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Fury's nationality

Fury self identifies as Irish, is of Irish parentage, used to live in Ireland, boxed for Ireland as an amateur and is the former Irish champion as a professional. Shouldn't he referred to as Irish in the lead of the article as has been discussed above?--Donniediamond (talk) 11:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I think this has been done to death. He was born in England, lived the vast majority of his life in England, represented Great Britain and was British champion as a professional, and also self-identifies as British. There was no consensus to describe his simply as 'Irish' for reasons that should be obvious. --Michig (talk) 18:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Fury states
"Even though I ain't Irish and I'm born and bred in Manchester, with Irish heritage and roots, you're always brought up around that sort of thing and it was heart-breaking form my Dad to see it. There was a lot of politics going on and Ireland were denied an Olympic gold medal in 2008"
"Even though I ain't Irish", his own words. Murry1975 (talk) 13:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Well that pretty much seals it for me then Murry1975. If that's what he has said that I will go with that. --Donniediamond (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Fury is English born and bred. It's as simple as that. The Irish try to claim anyone from England who has Irish roots. Just look at the amount of English footballers who have played for Ireland over the years. I've even seen them try to claim Frankie Gavin & Luke Campbell because they have Irish heritage of some kind. It's getting beyond ridiculous now 31.51.183.92 (talk) 08:14, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Homophobic comments

I have just received notification of a petition at Change.org in connection with his nomination for BBC Sports Personality of the Year (sorry, the blacklist won't let me link to the actual petition), and subsequent searching suggests that Fury has raised quite a storm recently. Should this be at least mentioned in the article, one way or another? TIA HAND —Phil | Talk 18:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, probably. Some media attention here, here and here. The New York Post calls him a "Bible thumping bigot": [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
And now this too... MFlet1 (talk) 17:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Although the BBC has stood firm and he's tried to apologise by saying he was "giving a woman a compliment". So not a homophobic sexist bigot after all, then (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
...except not everyone agrees, and he still seems to think he's Gods gift to personality. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Why have the opponent's nationalities been removed along with the country/district of fight locations?

Any reason? Vember94 (talk) 12:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

All is revealed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing and, by extension, Talk:Joe Calzaghe. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

This article made the Top 25 Report

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Neutrality

One editor has placed a neutrality query template on the top of the Controversies section. This is very strange and inappropriate. The section is very well referenced with all references being reputable and third-party sources. How can it lack neutrality? It presents the criticisms, and it presents Fury's views and responses to the criticisms. That's neutral. I suspect that the template was placed by a Tyson fan. Even if it wasn't, it's entirely unnecessary. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 11:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I was also surprised to see that. The edit summary was "this doesn't read neutrally, it reads as if it is condemning him". Well yes, I think it is condemning him, but quite fairly with accurate reports of what has come out of his own mouth. Perhaps that editor thinks there is unbalance due to recentism? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the user who put up the neutrality tag. The reason is the section is very one sided and comes across as an attack without Fury's side of the argument (especially the context). I would quote a big chunk of this response https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqYTPzPHNU ...to give some balance to things. He makes it clear hes not a homophobe, not sexist, and does not equate paediphilia with homosexuality (he stated sex between men is consensual while paedophilia is molestation by an adult toward a child). I have viewed endless amounts of videos of Tyson, and cringed when I heard his original statement (his own wife stated this week she cringes at some of the stuff he comes out with)...especially in regard to the religious material. The problem with Tyson is he's a jekyll and Hyde character and often contradicts himself, which makes it very hard to take him seriously. Many of those that know him have laughed at his comments (take a look on all the boxing interviews)...he's a an individual who makes off the cuff remarks, dresses as Batman at a press conference, and clowns around constantly. His personality would need to be fleshed out in this section to provide an idea of what kind of character he is to those that are reading about him for the first time, plus his response to the allegations thrown at him.RyanTQuinn (talk) 11:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
WHERE is Fury's side of the controversy? Are there public quotes from him (from acceptable third-party sources) that are missing from the article? Add them. It's not our job as editors to psychoanalyze him, as you seem to have done. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 11:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
As Blofeld (the featured article contributor who added the neutrality tag) stated, the section reads like an attack on Fury. Wikipedia is meant to maintain a neutral point of view. The section is heavily biased against him and needs to be fleshed out fully, and as I have suggested, quoting exactly what he thinks (without scriptures), would be a good start. RyanTQuinn (talk) 11:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
It isn't biased against him at all. He says outrageous things that have been publicly condemned. The article says that. It uses good sources to say it. Fury denies he's homophobic. The article says that. Neutrality doesn't mean pretending that there are two views that are of equal worth. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 12:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
ps, How can we begin "quoting exactly what he thinks (without scriptures)", when his very defence is to quote the scriptures? George Custer's Sabre (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Taking quotes from a YouTube video to "balance the picture" sounds like editorialising of the worst kind. if it's in the press, fair enough include them, but we are not here to "right great wrongs" against Mr Fury. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
What's written is fine, it's what's not written that is the issue. And thanks for the condescending message Custer...comparing Irving to Fury did at least give me a chuckle. Please cease with the messages, on here is fine thanks. The entire section reads like a character assassination. It wasn't me who added the tag, just to remind people again, but i endorse the reason it is there. His comments were indeed outrageous, however the lack of depth given to his response is clearly giving a one sided slant on the issue. Also no mention of what he stated on BBC radio to Jeremy Vine (not comparing paedophilia to homosexuality). I would give a full quotation, prominently displayed like his initial one that caused the controversy, and not some three word comment by a wiki editor. RyanTQuinn (talk) 12:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I think use of a primary source in that way, with you personally making the transcription, is unlikely to survive. But you're criticising the article for it's "lack of depth", yes? I was more surprised that the template addition was the first edit to this article by Dr. Blofeld. Now that we have this discussion thread, I'm sure he will want to justify his edit. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Lock down

Why is this article locked down INDEFINITELY from the point of view of IP edits? The very idea of such lock down is an anathema to the workings of Wikipedia. If you can't release it now, at least have the decency to put an expiry date on the lock down. 86.185.31.64 (talk) 21:16, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The Bible

In the "2015 BBC Sports Personality of the Year award nomination" section the Bible needs to be capitalized.88.115.201.50 (talk) 19:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Have done, thanks. Have also linked it, although links are not always given inside quotes. However, the quote does not seem to appear in the source given - an article in The Guardian. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
So I've now added new source for the quote - an article in The Daily Telegraph. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2020

please change "Klitshko and Fury showed little ..." to "Klitschko and Fury showed little..." in order to correct spelling Robexha (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2020

Update of tense. In the "Wilder rematch" section, please change:

ESPN announced that Fury will face Deontay Wilder on 22 February 2020

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ESPN announced that Fury would face Deontay Wilder on 22 February 2020 2A00:23C5:4B91:AB00:AC49:8280:651B:4278 (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done – 2.O.Boxing 14:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Floyd Patterson also held the Ring magazine belt twice

It is given in the introduction that Fury is the second boxer after Ali to win the Ring magazine belt twice. However Patterson also won that title twice, the second being after losing it to Johansson. Also, Fury is the first heavyweight to win every championship - WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, IBO, Ring and lineal. Only Floyd Mayweather has done it in the same weight class (Pacquiao and Donaire have done it in different classes). I think this should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.226.77.12 (talk) 09:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Good shout. Mentioning the IBO isn’t necessary as it’s only a minor title. There’s currently discussions taking place at Wikipedia Talk: WikiProject Boxing to remove all mentions of lineal so I’ll leave that out. – 2.O.Boxing 14:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2020

the wilder fight was a ko, the corner threw in the towel. have tko there is costing people money and whoever wrote it doesn't understand boxing. 81.136.115.81 (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: A KO is only scored when a fighter does not beat the count of ten. It’s correctly listed as a TKO. See BoxRec. – 2.O.Boxing 14:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

TV series

The ITV TV series is not called "Meet the Furys". It's called "Tyson Fury: The Gypsy King".[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:8AA3:C300:85EF:7978:536B:3201 (talk) 19:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Trained by

Can someone who has a bit more experience using wikipedia change that it says Tyson Fury is trained by Emmanuel Steward as you see when you type his name in google via wikipedia. Emmanuel Steward has passed. Tyson is trained by Sugarhill steward is nephew. However i cant find a way to change this? Thankyou. Boxingfan1995 (talk) 23:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

ESPN

@Boxingfan1995: I already explained this in my edit summary, and on your talk page, but seeing as you ignored it I’ll state it here as well. MOS:BOXING#Rankings clearly states:

"Pound for pound or weight class rankings by The Ring magazine, Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, ESPN and BoxRec may be included if a boxer has been ranked inside the top ten at any point in their career. Include at least a year when this occurred, with sources from the official websites."

If you ignore this, I’ll simply reinstate the ranking as you’ve provided no viable rationale to go against the manual of style. Do not start a pointless edit war which will only have one inevitable conclusion. – 2.O.Boxing 14:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

ESPN

He is ranked number 1.. Intellectual32 (talk) 19:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Can you change the photo of him to him winning against Wilder? Villasanti15 (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Photo doesn't exist on Commons. Feel free to upload it only if it meets the licensing requirements. JTP (talk • contribs) 16:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Shortening.

Isn't it better to put "Fury is the first heavyweight in history to have held all the major titles."? Intellectual32 (talk) 17:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Would a non/casual boxing fan know which titles are considered to be the major ones? I know it states above which titles he has held but the IBO is mentioned, which isn't a major title. Also, I think said achievement should be mentioned before being a two-time Ring champion. Being the first to do something is more notable than being the third to do something. – 2.O.Boxing 18:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Good point. And also the TBRB should be above ESPN. Intellectual32 (talk) 13:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

We should remove any mention of TBRB and ESPN rankings - neither has any real significance. --Michig (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2020

The url in reference 34 is incorrect. It needs to be changed from this.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-fight-and-the-fury-1.1366134&psig=AOvVaw0h5xOYNH8H9mZVNLkSUir_&ust=1566038281805186

to this.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-fight-and-the-fury-1.1366134 146.90.4.164 (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done And thank you for the correction. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

John McDermott not knocked down before Fury is Wrong

McDermott was ko'd in 1 round by Matt Skelton on 10th December 2005, floored 4 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.53.110 (talk) 22:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I’ve removed it. – 2.O.Boxing 22:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2020

He is now ranked second by BoxRec, not ninth. 82.39.147.159 (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. There are multiple different rankings. Please be more specific and provide a reliable source that supports any change. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 03:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2020

a lot pf influencers said that they will any thing just to be ringside in the fight including the famous youtuber KSI

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2020

178.153.221.91 (talk) 14:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

BOSS I NEED TO REWRITE THE WHOLE THING

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

new tyson image needed, current one makes no sense!

image = File:Tyson_fury.jpg

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tyson_fury.jpg (whats code to make it appear here?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.110.149 (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

All three images in the article look fine to me. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
what is the code for any upload, does it go thru commons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.14.9.158 (talk) 21:38, 10 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asal.Nama (talk • contribs)
I'm not sure what is being asked here? Please clarify. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Add the age of the fighter on the 'Professional Boxing Record' table

Currently, Muhammad Ali is the only boxer to have this feature on his Wiki page. It is great for research, and great for all boxing fans. Would be a massive improvement if everyone could see the age that Tyson Fury was when he made his professional debut, won his first national title, inter-continental title, world title etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson (talk • contribs) 16:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done – I see no reason why an age paramater should be added to an already cramped table across thousands of articles. The reason you're seeing the age thing at a select few articles is because those boxers made the significant achievement of winning world titles at either a very young age (Mike Tyson) or advanced age (George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Bernard Hopkins, Manny Pacquiao, etc.) Fury has so far done neither. If he's still champion at age forty, then we can revisit this. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Please edit the part about Tyson Fury being first to hold the WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO and Ring magazine belts.

He has never been the undisputed heavyweight champion. Therefore, the fact he has held all of these belts separately means nothing - there is no significant record here.

For example, there have been many heavyweights who held the WBO belt in the 1990s, but it was not significant because the WBO was not needed to become undisputed until 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson (talk • contribs) 16:24, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done – removed trivia. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Tyson Luke Fury's real name is Luke Tyson Fury but he goes by Tyson 95.145.24.18 (talk) 15:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sincerely, Deauthorized. (talk) 22:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Wilder Trilogy Section Needs Updating

The trilogy fight with Deontay Wilder is no longer happening. Bob Arum and Tyson Furys legal team has said on many occasions that there is no legal case, and they are under no obligation to fight Wilder considering that they had given him many opportunities to make the fight happen after February 22nd 2020 to no avail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.156.12 (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

Tyson fury has not held the wbc title and the ring and lineal titles since beating wilder in 2020, he has held the wbc title and his 2nd ring belt since beating wilder in 2020 however he has been the lineal heavyweight champion since beating wladimir klitchko in 2015 2A02:C7F:D205:ED00:7D2B:C2A7:E40D:231 (talk) 07:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide a reliable source to support your request. MBihun (talk) 11:26, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I didn't notice this request, but I've changed the wording per WP:NPOV. The "lineal championship" is not a world title, it's a point of view. As such, we cannot state in Wikipedia's voice that Fury is the "lineal champion". So I've changed the wording to "...is widely considered by media outlets to be the lineal heavyweight champion." – 2.O.Boxing 11:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Tyson Fury page

Its ironic there is no reference to Tyson Furys previous doping allegations and relinquishment of his UKAD Boxing license due to testing positive for nandrolone. (Redacted). ZREIKMIESTER (talk) 05:36, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZREIKMIESTER: There is reference to Tyson Fury's previous doping allegations. Give the article another read, you'll find it. – 2.O.Boxing 09:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Irish descent

Per MOS:CONTEXTBIO, his Irish descent should not be mentioned in the lead. Fury was born, raised and became notable as a permanent resident of Britain; his Irish descent has nothing to do with his notability; and he's referred to, overwhelmingly, as British in reliable sources.

@The Slim Wiki: and @Bowbowww111: could you provide a compelling reason why CONTEXTBIO should be ignored on this occasions? – 2.O.Boxing 21:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

He represented Ireland professionally and has established legal ties as an Irish person. He also stated, amongst other things, "I was born in Manchester, but I am Irish".
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/tyson-fury-irish-roots — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbx118 (talk • contribs)
@Bbx118: The link you gave explicitly states he has no "legal ties as an Irish person", I can’t get an Irish passport. Becoming the heavyweight champion of the world is not as hard a fight as proving my Irishness.
Sorry, but none of the points you've raised--here or in edit summaries--are compelling reasons to ignore CONTEXTBIO. – 2.O.Boxing 01:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@Squared.Circle.Boxing: @The Slim Wiki: @Bowbowww111: There are two points to be made here. Firstly, per MOS:ETHNICITY a person's ethnic background should only be added if it is a pertinent aspect of the article's subject. Fury is nicknamed "The Gypsy King" due to his Irish heritage, he calls himself Irish, and has said he is the "first Irish heavyweight champion of the world". This is all reason for it to be included in the lead.
Secondly - perhaps more pertinent - he was originally denied the possibly of representing Ireland by the Olympic and European boxing bodies due to a lack of evidence of Irish citizenship. This lead to him later gaining the legal recognition of his being Irish. As he stated;


"People are trying to discredit it, well it's all sorted now because I've got all the paperwork sorted"[1]


If the legal documentation of his being Irish is good enough for the Olympic committee and European boxing authorities, it certainly meets the criteria for inclusion here. His being British is not debated or disputed, which is why "British-Irish" was in the lead per WP:MOSBIO, which is the case for innumerable articles. The onus here would be to show why 'British-Irish' should not be included given the evidence.


All the best, BBX118 11:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
"Gypsy King" isn't his nickname because he's of Irish descent, it's his nickname because he's a gypsy(/traveller); they're not one and the same.

Not that it really matters, but the YouTube video you linked doesn't explicitly state he's gained Irish citizenship. He's talking about proving his Irish roots and that he has documentation to verify that his family is from Ireland, for the sole purpose of fighting for the Irish title (nothing to do with any Olympic or European committees). Not that he's got an Irish passport. Now the reason I started that with Not that it really matters is because it still has no impact on CONTEXTBIO; his Irish heritage is not pertinent to his notability. – 2.O.Boxing 13:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsQm-ZvC-U&ab_channel=WOODDDDDDDYAFIST8

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2021

He's retired 82.40.235.125 (talk) 13:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2021

Tyson Fury is retired. he said it recently at an interview with Sky sports Alkasim Liman (talk) 21:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Tyson Fury is retired Alkasim Liman (talk) 21:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   melecie   t 00:10, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Change Main Picture, please

The main picture from 2017 doesn't look anything like any other Tyson Fury from any other angle I've ever seen. Could we please change it to something else?

-- Diblidabliduu (talk) 20:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks just like the big dosser as from any other angle. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2022

Under "Professional Boxing Record" Add in No. 33 Tyson Fury vs. Dillian Whyte Date : 26th March 2022. Location : TBC . Notes  : For WBC, Ring and Lineal Heavyweight Titles. 2600:1700:4410:7BC0:85B2:28A2:BA16:78FD (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Also, be sure not to run afoul of WP:CRYSTALBALL PianoDan (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Should "Fury is considered one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time" be in the header?

Numerous boxing analysts as well as various outlets (ring magazine, for example) have said as much 76.181.201.214 (talk) 12:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Other boxers of similar repute have it. If you have some sources for the "one of the best" claim, someone may add it for you. Solipsism 101 (talk) 21:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Here are 3 sources that rate him as one the best ever.

1. https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1094011/best-heavyweights-tyson-fury-mike-tyson-lennox-lewis-dillian-whyte-deontay-wilder-tony-bellew/amp/ 2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2022/04/25/does-tyson-fury-stand-pantheon-all-time-great-heavyweight-boxers/#:~:text=10.,his%20skills%20-%20and%20remarkable%20storyline. 3. https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/amp/boxing/list-of-the-10-greatest-heavyweight-boxers-of-all-time-has-tyson-fury-done-enough-to-make-the-cut/1kidkof72e5551shix9edh7gaq - he retires as just the 2nd unified heavyweight champion to finish his career undefeated (Rocky Marciano). I think it's fair to put something like, "Fury is considered among the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time by analysts" without being hyperbolic. 76.181.201.214 (talk) 05:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

To have "one of the greatest" in the lead section I'd want to see a lot more sources where subject-matter experts are not only discussing it, but are ranking him in their top ten. Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson have it in their articles because there's hundreds of articles that rank them as some of the greatest. As for him being "retired", we still go by what the sources say, and the majority of sources aren't buying it (neither is his wife). – 2.O.Boxing 08:03, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
That's fair 76.181.201.214 (talk) 08:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

"Former"

If he vacates his WBC title (not The Ring title, because they let them keep it far longer after his first "retirement"), we can safely list him as a "former professional boxer". Easy as that. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

He is now retired

Please list that he is now retired and a breif summary of his final fight. HorrorHound97 (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Per the section above, we're not going to list him as retired (former) until he vacates or is stripped of his WBC title. – 2.O.Boxing 07:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Ethnicity

He is Irish not British 212.60.8.180 (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

change "is professional boxer" to "is a FORMER professional boxer". He has officially retired and vacated his title. Sebastianovide (talk) 09:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
He announced his retirement on Friday.[4] Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
...for the third time this year (or fourth?). He's still the WBC champion. We should wait until the end of the month and see what happens with the WBC. After all, how can a reigning world champion with an active championship be retired? – 2.O.Boxing 08:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

English

How come anyone born in England or is English is referred to as British, whilst people like Josh Taylor is referred to as Scottish or Joe Cordina is referred to as Welsh on their separate pages? Either call them all British or by their constituent country nationality. 141.163.120.3 (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

English

How come anyone born in England or is English is referred to as British, whilst people like Josh Taylor is referred to as Scottish or Joe Cordina is referred to as Welsh on their separate pages? Either call them all British or by their constituent country nationality. 141.163.120.3 (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hello. Thank you for redacting my edit on Tyson Fury. As a new wikipedian, i just want to know, what did i do wrong? Suo Edits (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrub01 (talk • contribs)

brother

should this link to his half-brother, Tommy Fury? 2601:246:100:6400:719E:391E:DF7F:CBA3 (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Linked in Tyson Fury#Early life. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2023

... With his defeat of Deontay Wilder, Fury became the third heavyweight, after Floyd Patterson and Muhammad Ali, to hold The Ring magazine title twice, and is widely considered by media outlets to be the lineal heavyweight champion.[7][8][9][10] As of December 2022, Fury is ranked as the world's best active heavyweight by BoxRec[11] and ESPN,[12] he is also ranked sixth pound-for-pound by ESPN[13] and the Boxing Writers Association of America,[14] and seventh by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board.[15] ...

Tyson Fury is no longer ranked the world's best active heavyweight by BoxRec, but is now ranked #3 Jsmit0 (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 01:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Francis Ngannou

Question: When Fury defeats Ngannou, will his fight be added to the pro record or to an exhibition record? The WBC have stated that the fight will be counted as an official bout but BoxRec does not have the fight displayed on their records. There appears to be a dilemma here. Quettagon (talk) 20:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Professional if we go by Sky Sports: [5]. Ten-point must and three judges—should be fine. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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