Talk:Tyler, the Creator/Archive 1
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The Roots -- a related act?
One user continually adds "The Roots" as a related act. Yes, I know that two or three members of "The Roots" played backup for Tyler on their Jimmy Fallon show appearance but that doesn't really make them a related act. That's like saying Guns N'Roses is a related group to the Black Eyed Peas because Slash played with them in the Super Bowl Halftime show. Please try to engage in discussion on this issue rather than force in unsourced assertions. 71.62.188.38 (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)I've now registered an account, but I am 71.62.188.38. Chillllls (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Whoever keeps adding The Roots as an associated act please stop. Vette92 (talk) 03:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the move request was: Move . Doesn't appear to be any issues here. KiloT 21:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Tyler, the Creator → Tyler, The Creator – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC) All his albums and mixtapes are labelled as such. It is his official stage name. The redirect page and article page should be swapped around. The capital "T" in the word "The" is intentional and should be used in the title. The correct style of his name is shown on his record labels website here and on his itunes page here Kidstylez (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- I strongly recommend that all parties cease edit warring over this issue and start discussing it here to achieve consensus, unless you want get blocked.--Michig (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
How is there any debate over this? His stage name is whatever his stage name is. Either it does or doesn't have a capital "The". In this case, any evidence I'm seeing directly from the source (that is, CDs, his Twitter page, etc.) has it as a capital "The". What's the other side's argument? 69.123.136.21 (talk) 13:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)ThatGuamGuy
Looking at the "Naming Conventions" article elsewhere on the site, it says pretty clearly: "For multiword page titles, one should leave the second and subsequent words in lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper noun that would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence." In this case, "Tyler, The Creator" is a proper noun that always occurs capitalized. Further, somebody argued that "the" should never be capitalized; this is a misreading of the rule which says: "except for articles ("a", "an", "the")" -- which is specifically in reference to titles of books, movies, etc. I honestly don't understand how there's a debate about this. 69.123.136.21 (talk) 14:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)ThatGuamGuy
- The debate has come from User:L Trey who repeatedly changes all the OFWGKTA affiliated pages from "Tyler, The Creator" to "Tyler, the Creator" with the reason as stated above which is a misconception of the rule. Kidstylez (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- 'Tyler, The Creator' gets my vote as the T in 'The' is a clearly intentionally capitalized part of his stage name. --Michig (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- What do sources independent of his record producer call him? If they call him "Tyler, The Creator", so should we; otherwise, see WP:MOSTRADE.Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- NME calls him "Tyler, The Creator" ([1]) as do Billboard (magazine) ([2]) and MTV ([3]). Other sources vary, some even omitting the comma. --Michig (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- That's probably good enough; what we want to avoid is funky spellings used only by somebody's publicity, which could change tomorrow. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Every Wiki article with "the" in the middle of the name has "the" cause of Wiki terms of style. L Trey (talk) 07:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please supply a citation; the first principle of WP:TITLE is Recognizability, which includes calling subjects what English-speakers generally call them. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- FWIW, the New Yorker, with its corps of professional fact and style checkers, writes in the latest (5/23/2001) issue (p. 60): "Tyler Okonma, known as Tyler, the Creator." Jtropp1 (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please supply a citation; the first principle of WP:TITLE is Recognizability, which includes calling subjects what English-speakers generally call them. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Every Wiki article with "the" in the middle of the name has "the" cause of Wiki terms of style. L Trey (talk) 07:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- That's probably good enough; what we want to avoid is funky spellings used only by somebody's publicity, which could change tomorrow. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- NME calls him "Tyler, The Creator" ([1]) as do Billboard (magazine) ([2]) and MTV ([3]). Other sources vary, some even omitting the comma. --Michig (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- What do sources independent of his record producer call him? If they call him "Tyler, The Creator", so should we; otherwise, see WP:MOSTRADE.Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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Controversy Section?
The Controversy Section of the article, written and polished with many edits by several Wikipedians, and the subject of an earlier discussion thread, was anonymously blanked with no comment or discussion. I believe it should be restored to one of its earlier, citation-rich versions. Jtropp1 (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC) In Domo Genesis' track "Whole City Behind Us" featuring Tyler, the Creator; Tyler responds to hopsins -"and Goblin, you get no props on it. It sucks so much i get blowjobs from it." by saying "Goblin was a dissapointment. Ya right, shit dropped I bought a house that night."
Edit request from Tgullage, 24 August 2011
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Tyler Okonma is from Hawthorne, Los Angeles Source: http://www.formspring.me/wolfhaley/q/227247792450461891
Tgullage (talk) 15:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Not done: Social media sites are not generally considered reliable sources. Topher385 (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Other biographical details
Tyler prominently reps his atheism, which starkly contrasts with most rappers out there. His history of self-injurious behavior also seems worth mentioning, especially given that it is an increasingly common problem in his generation. Anyone more familiar with him have good sources on these? --24.13.224.40 (talk) 10:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Atheism: [4] ; SIB: [5] --24.13.224.40 (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Neither of these issues seem particularly tied to his notability: he is a famous rapper who is also an athiest, not a rapper who is famous for his atheism (ditto for the injurious behavior). When reliable secondary sources discuss his atheism or self-injurious behavior in the context of his music or other notable activity, then it can be discussed in the article. Chillllls (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hating religion does not mean you're an Atheist. For example, I dislike religion yet I believe in God. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 04:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
- Neither of these issues seem particularly tied to his notability: he is a famous rapper who is also an athiest, not a rapper who is famous for his atheism (ditto for the injurious behavior). When reliable secondary sources discuss his atheism or self-injurious behavior in the context of his music or other notable activity, then it can be discussed in the article. Chillllls (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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Footnote 13, referencing a video interview with Tyler, should be linked to original source and not the copyright infringing youtube rip: So please change "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlktx-eYDx8" to "http://svtplay.se/v/2440877/psl/tyler-the-creator-odd-future, PSL."
Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Style Section
My edit to the style section was removed by KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP on the grounds that it was not of a neutral perspective. However, I not only maintained neutral perspective at all times, but evidenced objectivity with verifiable sources from reliable third parties with appropriate editorial staffs. Simply because KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP disagrees with the addition does not make it false, and does not mean it is in any way infringing upon core policies as he tells me I have done. --Cfox101 (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
- That article is not credible and it's an opinion piece. No place on wiki. If a credible third party source details the style and it's not an opinion piece, then feel free to add it in. KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 05:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Regular Show
On Regular Show he wasn't Mordecai's brother. He was a rapper in Crew Crew named Blitz Comet, not Blitz Common. Change it, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.18.187.62 (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Edit request on 10 January 2012
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In the Filmography Section the name Blitz Common in Regular Show should be changed to Blitz Comet. Blitz Comet is the correct name of the character Tyler played.
Sources:http://theregularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Blitz_Comet and I watched the episode.
Datassatad (talk) 23:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Done — Bility (talk) 00:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Hopsin Beef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bULBnef6w6k&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Hopsin has some strong feelings for tyler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoeusHelios22 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC) someone should look into whether tyler the creator had anything to say back to hopsin. With the things hopsin said, I would expect tyler the creator to get upset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.6.51 (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
If you don't hold religion high, which is apparent that Tyler doesn't, than anything said about religion should be taken lightly. Inverted crosses, mentioning of 666, etc, hold no value to them. It doesn't make him a devil worshiper. ~cnd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.142.54 (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Tyler responded to hopsin, with the game in martians vs goblins, which explains why the game had hopsin's eyes. they have been calling eachother martians and goblins before the song was made. Then swizZz (of funk volume) responded with a 'martians vs goblins freestyle'. since then, nothing has been heard
of — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.17.239.118 (talk) 02:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 25 March 2012
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Tyler also dissed Immortal Technique on Yonkers, in turn Techniques label mate Diabolic, responded by torching Tyler to his own Yonkers beat. Tyler has not responded.
Dedflesh (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. We also need reliable sources to add new content. Thanks! — Jess· Δ♥ 06:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 24 April 2012
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Please add to filmography: Tyler appeared in 1 episode of Punk'd (season 9 episode 4, 2012) and played as the host of the show. http://www.mtv.com/shows/punkd/episode.jhtml?episodeID=193481 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7lxwfqkBzw Thanks.
86.29.222.196 (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Done Thanks for improving Wikipedia. mabdul 17:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Change in Legal Section
On December 22, 2011, Tyler was arrested during a show at the Roxy Theatre in West Hollywood, and charged with "suspicion of vandalism" for alleged destroying of a sound equipment belonging to the venue. He was released on $20,000 bail.
The bolded section should be "for the alleged destruction of sound equipment" or "for allegedly destroying sound equipment." — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTomberlin (talk • contribs) 17:01, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Requested edit for the Misogyny section
I think that describing Tyler's rape-themed lyrics as misogynistic and fantasies is too strong outside the context of one's personal opinion and that "rape-themed lyrics" rather than "misogynistic rape fantasies" would suffice. Because Tyler's lyrics like that aren't supposed to be taken at face value. Also, I think it would be helpful to note that Tegan and Sara are lesbians; without knowing that one wouldn't get why Tyler asked them if they need "hard dick". 66.244.5.20 (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Done I simply removed it. KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
The original request also discussed including reference to Tegan and Sara being lesbians for context. I feel that bit of context greatly changes the nature of the comment. It is more of a sarcastic quip than an actual offer. Both Tegan and Sara's homosexuality is noted on their wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTomberlin (talk • contribs) 17:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Edit Request July 4, 2012
Request that the supportive tweet Tyler made in lieu of Frank Ocean coming out be added to Homophobia section, as it is relevant enough to be on the Frank Ocean page, relevant to the topic, and adds nuance to a section that has already been criticized for possible bias. How Tyler treats the openly queer members of his group is as relevant to whether or not he is homophobic as his use of the word faggot and his claims against his own homophobia.
ETA: news source for the tweet as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boneknife (talk • contribs) 05:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Censorship
The "feuds" section doesn't seem like it's particularly necessary, but if it is, b.o.b.'s lyrics ought not to be dashed out as they are. According to wikipedia:offensive material, "... a vulgarity or obscenity should either appear in its full form or not at all; words should never be bowdlerized by replacing letters with dashes, asterisks, or other symbols." I tried to change it but the change was blocked by a filter. Someone else ought to take care of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.8.190.110 (talk) 08:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Looks like it got taken care of. Also, you probably got blocked by the filter do to not being signed in. Anons posting profanity usually don't have good intent ;) E123 (talk) 01:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Comma
Is the correct styling 'Tyler the Creator', or 'Tyler, The Creator'? Both are used in the article, surely one should be chosen and stuck to. 94.192.45.239 (talk) 21:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- In terms of style, I think "Tyler, the Creator" is correct. I believe that the page is listed as "Tyler the Creator" because of the personal preference of the wiki editor who created the page. Chillllls (talk) 04:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed, he always writes it as "Tyler, the Creator", the title of the page should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.130.71 (talk) 08:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.39.1 (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
AUSTRALIAN MEET GREET INTERVIEW (LOVE IN AUSS?) 17/11/12
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AUSTRALIAN MEET GREET INTERVIEW (LOVE IN AUSS?) 17/11/12 Tyler Recently had a Meet and Greet in Sydney last week and Met lots of Fans.Out of no where tyler jumped in the crowd and grabbed one gurl he said she was his biggest fan and that she stood out from the others, tyler said "I dont know theres something about her!.Not knowin that the gurl was secretly talented she did a small cover for tyler. Tyler was shocked and said" mind f*** dis nigga is dope!" rigth after he Requested a Photo and gift to this gurl. Tyler thaan received a kiss from the young gurl and the greet was over. Tyler gave her 6 tickets back stage for his next deul concert with ODD FUTURE, by the end of the day tyler was tired and we were lucky enough to gain a small interview with him he said "this dope a** gurl she was so beauitful, she had the voice, the looks and NIGGA shit bitchh, she was dope!" the reporter than said " tyler it seems your inlove?' tyler than said "shit! iam shit!" (reporter) "tykler did u get anything besides a kiss or?" (tyler) "f*** yeh i got some DIGITS nigga!raw nigga DIGITSman i dont know whaat to say i wanna come back her, wait oi want to live here with this Beauty my goodness nigga F***!". Not only did we get the interview with Tyler we were lucky enough to get a pep talk with the gurl. Emily Rene aka Tylers Australian Crush. _click this link for the full video on interview with description below_34"038289{}{{}9383 124.176.63.132 (talk) 07:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Not done: - There are no understandable details of the edit you would like to be made. You haven't provided a reliable source for an edit to be made. It doesn't really sound like the sort of content that would be suitable for an encyclopedia - we don't report gossip or tabloid style news stories. Begoon talk 08:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
New picture
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That picture of Tyler, The Creator is almost 2 years old. I request it be changed to a more recent profile shot. 12.124.86.186 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Not done: If you have a specific picture that can be used that is in line with the image use policy, feel free to upload it and reopen this request. —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Criticism
A section of criticism based on one account of homophobia on his twitter account criticized only by 3 random bloggers? This obviously is a worthless section. Lil Wayne does the same but it isn't on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.50.113 (talk) 05:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The Guardian is not a "random blogger"--it is a newspaper with the second largest online readership of any English-language newspaper in the world. Neither is The Wall Street Journal. And neither is the other source cited--Tyler's own Twitter page.
Noting what is or is not included in another article is not within Wikipedia's guidelines for what it worthy of inclusion in an article.
The criticism included in this Wikipedia article represents a pattern of criticism from major professional critics and newspapers (as the included references indicate). Jtropp1 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
- The Criticism section wasn't particularly neutral and had some poor sources in it, but given the amount of attention he has had for this issue it belongs in the article. I've tried to make it more balanced and added sources. If anyone has any issues with it feel free to discuss it here. If anyone removes this they'd better have a good explanation.--Michig (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Michig -- the addition of Tyler's response to the criticism (as cited) does add balance to the article, and that the artist saw need to respond to such significant criticism as has been levied in major newspapers, reinforces the importance of the Criticism section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtropp1 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Personal blogs are certainly not acceptable sources to use here to back up negative claims about a living person. Only the man himself can really know whether his use of these terms is out of a prejudice against homosexuals or just derogatory use in general (both 'gay' and 'faggot' have negative meanings beyond being references to homosexuals) albeit use that is likely to be construed by some as homophobic. If you want to add more than what's there now, please acquaint yourself with WP:RS and make sure you cite acceptable reliable sources.--Michig (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- The only "personal blog" used as a reference (http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/) has been recognized for awards by GLAAD, The Village Voice, and the Weblog Awards (Bloggies). At a certain point a "mere" blog qualifies as a legitimate source. However, as the Wall Street Journal and The Guardian suffice as references for the relevant point, and as (per WP:SPS) self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer, you are correct that this site should not be used as a reference here.
- You are correct that, as they are currently used in the vernacular, "gay" or "faggot" when used as insults may be intended to be generally derogatory and not specifically meant to demean homosexuals--just as one doesn't necessarily intend to demean Jews as greedy or Romani as dishonest when saying, "He jewed me down" or "He gypped me." Context matters. But within the context of the lyrics of Tyler's songs, for example (from "Assmilk"):
- "I hate gays, gangbangers and fucking jerkers
- Unless it's gay gangbangers that's fucking jerkers
- Whoa yo, yo, no homo, I'm not gay, faggot,"
- the string of synonyms makes it clear that Tyler is referring to men who have sex with men, and that he means "gay," "homo," and "faggot" as epithets directed specifically at homosexuals. (Note he does not say, e.g., "I hate gays, assholes, douchebags," as if "gay" or "faggot" were interchangeable with other generic insults.) To suggest that it requires a biased POV to see "I hate gays...no homo, I'm not gay, faggot" (esp. when spoken by a heterosexual person) as homophobic is like suggesting it requires a biased POV to see "I hate Blacks...no Afro-American, I'm not Black, nigger" as racist (esp. when spoken by a white person).
Jtropp1 (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC) His support of Frank Ocean coming out needs to be acknowledged. His use of slurs and his support of his friend is non sequitur and a moot point.
- Twitter and copyright-violating lyric sites are also not good sources to use.--Michig (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- You're right about not citing (arguably) copyright-violating lyrics sites; I should have cited the song directly.
- As for using Twitter: Since the controversy over Tyler's language is in part explicitly as reaction to his postings on Twitter, directly citing his page seems appropriate. The referenced Twitter page (https://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler) is confirmed by reliable sources as Tyler's (e.g., by MTV at http://rapfix.mtv.com/2011/05/10/tyler-the-creator-detained-not-arrested/). The guidelines at WP:SELFPUB suggest that using a confirmed Twitter account as the reference for a quote from the creator of that account is appropriate (though of course other sources should be used for an article as well).
- I do appreciate your working to keep this and other articles up to Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards, and recognize the importance of erring on the side of omission over unverifiable, potentially libelous language. Jtropp1 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Anything based on his lyrics needs to cite a reliable source stating what his lyrics are. I'm not saying you're wrong in your analysis, but it's important that any sources cited are suitable. If a reliable source can be found that has cited those lyrics and reached a conclusion based on them, it would be much better to cite that rather than reaching conclusions yourself. --Michig (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- I hear you. At this point, I think the relevant, significant information on homophobia-related criticism of Tyler is fine for encyclopedic purposes as of your 18:35, 14 May 2011 edit. Jtropp1 (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- In my opinion, this is a serious violation of WP:UNDUE.
There are only very fleeting references to perceived homophobia in the articles cited, except for the blog post (and I'm not convinced by your argument that the blog is a WP:RS simply because it won a blog award from GLAAD).Could you explain why you, Jtropp1, think it deserves its own section? Chillllls (talk) 03:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC) - Apologies, I was looking at an old revision of the page where the blog was still being used as a source. I still have some issues with this section, however. Why is the only criticism being leveled at homophobia in his lyrics? The Guardian article, although it mentions homophobia in the title, equally addresses homophobia, misogyny and violence in his lyrics. I think that the reason you were accused above of POV editing is that the only criticism you (Jtropp1) are adding to the article is criticism of homophobia, when most sources offer much more criticism of the violence and misogyny in his lyrics. If anything, I believe the criticism section of this article should be expanded by a sentence or two to more accurately reflect the criticism in sources. Does that sound ok to you? Chillllls (talk) 03:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Re: expanding the Criticism section to include types of criticism leveled against Tyler beyond that for using homophobic slurs. Of course I'm just one contributor, but that sounds fine to me: any criticism that is encyclopedia-worthy in virtue of having received significant major media attention (demonstrable, of course, with appropriate citations) seems like a worthwhile addition. Jtropp1 (talk) 01:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- In all honesty, my WP:AGF meter is tripped when something like the second sentence of your comment is written by a editor with less than 100 edits; however, there are several WP:RSs that provide fodder for a criticism section. I'll draft something in the next two or three days about Tyler's lyrics that I'll submit on the talk page for comment before editing the criticism
pagesection in the article. Chillllls (talk) 03:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)- Hey now--just because I'm a minor contributor doesn't mean I'm not a major user of this resource or don't take the project that is Wikipedia seriously. I edit and comment under my real name which, though obviously not required for good faith edits, does (from a quick survey of the top contributors) put me with only ~5% of Wikipedians.* I'm a scholar in real life, and try to ensure that any changes I make here are of the sort that make Wikipedia a more useful resource for people like me coming to it to learn more about people and things in the world. I appreciate that you also take the standards that have evolved here seriously; I look forward to seeing the expansion you draft for this article. Jtropp1 (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- *The number of Wikipedians contributing under their real names may be slightly higher than the ~5% I mentioned, as some include that information on their User pages. Jtropp1 (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- In all honesty, my WP:AGF meter is tripped when something like the second sentence of your comment is written by a editor with less than 100 edits; however, there are several WP:RSs that provide fodder for a criticism section. I'll draft something in the next two or three days about Tyler's lyrics that I'll submit on the talk page for comment before editing the criticism
- Re: expanding the Criticism section to include types of criticism leveled against Tyler beyond that for using homophobic slurs. Of course I'm just one contributor, but that sounds fine to me: any criticism that is encyclopedia-worthy in virtue of having received significant major media attention (demonstrable, of course, with appropriate citations) seems like a worthwhile addition. Jtropp1 (talk) 01:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- In my opinion, this is a serious violation of WP:UNDUE.
- I hear you. At this point, I think the relevant, significant information on homophobia-related criticism of Tyler is fine for encyclopedic purposes as of your 18:35, 14 May 2011 edit. Jtropp1 (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Anything based on his lyrics needs to cite a reliable source stating what his lyrics are. I'm not saying you're wrong in your analysis, but it's important that any sources cited are suitable. If a reliable source can be found that has cited those lyrics and reached a conclusion based on them, it would be much better to cite that rather than reaching conclusions yourself. --Michig (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it should be noted that the majority of the uses of the word 'b***h' are in a single song, "B***h Suck D**k," which is meant as more of a comical song. There's a difference of presentation in saying that he basically says the word 'b***h' every minute and saying that other than this particular song he says 'b***h' about thirty times, which is likely more on par with any other rapper. (Sorry for the censoring but wikipedia labelled it as potentially unconstructive otherwise.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.50.211 (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Music Career: Wolf & Loiter Squad (2012-Present) Edit/Update
Updating information to both Tyler's "WOLF" album and "Loiter Squad" show, Wolf is scheduled for release on April 2nd, 2013 and Season 2 of Loiter Squad premiers on Adult Swim 3/10/13
Sources for both this information can be found on Odd Future's youtube page from these follow videos, Wolf Press Release Video and Loiter Squad Season 2 Teaser
Additional info, the first single and video for Wolf has also been released, titled "Domo23", you can watch here — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackJesus99 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Geography 101
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"English independent record label" to "United Kingdom independent record label". Much as I'd like to fix the basic factual error (or deliberate Easter Egging?) implicit in [[United Kingdom|English]], the article's semi-protected, so I can't. 84.203.35.120 (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Partly done: I have instead used "British", as the proper adjective form was the easiest way to correct this error without doing much more rewriting of the sentence. If you still object please reopen this edit request. Thanks. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'm content with that. "British" is somewhat ambiguous, as it can mean pertaining to either Great Britain or the United Kingdom, but it's the usual demonym, so one can't really complain. (Except in Northern Ireland, where they do so routinely.) 84.203.35.120 (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Filmography Edit/Update
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Tyler made a brief cameo Season 1, Episode 10 of "The Mindy Project
You can watch the clip here, http://video.vulture.com/video/Tyler-the-Creator
If it's of any significance or not, Tyler was listed in the credits as Tyler "Mr. Hot Sauce" Haley BlackJesus99 (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Additionally, in 2013 Tyler has appeared on Late Night With Jimmy Fallon and the David Lettermn Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FDeL7Imi7o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUx_yhqhk4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.13.187 (talk) 23:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Awards Section
He was nominated for Best Hip Hop award in 2012 at the Japan VMA's but lost to Kreva. I think it should be added anyway since his other nominations that he didn't win are there.
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/MTV_Video_Music_Award_Japan_for_Best_Hip-Hop_Video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.47.51 (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Someone change his picture to this !!!
The current photo is old, the linked one is from 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedMajor213 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Surname?
Shouldn't the article refer to him by Okonma, like the way people like Tobuscus are referred to as Turner? - Drilly Dilly (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
WOLF
nothing about WOLF has been added to the page since the Fallon performance, which was before it dropped. Also, the upcoming WOLF movie should be added, as well as the album's history after Fallon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.78.155 (talk) 23:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Categories
Add these categories: Pranksters, Anti-Christianity, Obscenity controversies and American skateboarders. MyHeroIsGone (talk) 23:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit Request on 29 September 2013
Request that the Music Career section be amended to include Tyler's newest song, Garbage, which appeared on The Music of Grand Theft Auto V Volume I: The Originals and was written specifically for the game. Sources located on Pitchfork and Rolling Stone. -- AO-Jaql (talk) 23:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014
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You mention music videos for his music videos of the Wolf album but forget to mention "Tamale", which is his most recent full music video. Pieisgood51 (talk) 18:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 123chess456 (talk) 01:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Drums??
Um, I'm not getting the "instruments" section in the infobox stating he plays druns. I even Googled "Tyler, the Creator drums" and it shows no result that he plays drums of any sort. Is there a proper source stating he does? Second Skin (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Bruh. Have you clicked on the citation link that is RIGHT NEXT TO IT? Dankyhashpants (talk) 03:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have and didn't feel like sorting through several sentences just to find a place that says he plays drums. I thought if he did, it would be as easy just to find a picture of him playing drums simply by Googling his name and adding "drums". As high profile as this person is, why is there only one source stating this? Second Skin (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Redundancy in Feuds Section
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In the first sentence of the second paragraph of the feuds section someone wrote "Brown tweeted on Twitter", which is redundant. Could someone please edit this to just say tweeted?
Requesting to change slang word "disses"
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In the "Feuds" section of the article (section 5), request to change "disses" to another synonym (e.g. criticize, belittle, bad-mouth, etc.). The word in question is regarded (mostly) as slang and takes away from the quality and professionalism of the article. Jabbahwocky (talk) 01:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Not done: I have not changed the wording, as it seems to be appropriate, but I did update the wikilink to go to the diss track article to help clarify the usage of the term. -- ferret (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2016
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new photo Justheretohelpu2 (talk) 06:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)(please reply using {{ping}}) 07:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Merger proposal
I propose that Camp Flog Gnaw be merged into Tyler, The Creator. I think that the content in the Camp Flog Gnaw article can easily be explained in the context of Tyler, The Creator, and the Tyler, The Creator article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Camp Flog Gnaw will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Tyler Laney (talk) 23:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Recent Works (as of June 30th)
May someome please add that Tyler has just released two new songs "Who Dat Boy" and "911/Mr Lonely" as well as a video for the former. These songs were the first he's released that are NOT off Odd Future Records. Also I see that the Perfect video featuring Kali Uchis and Austin Feinstein was never added to his videos despite being an offical song off the studio album Cherry Bomb. The aforementioned points are very important aspects of the his artist biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weabooo (talk • contribs) 16:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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Under heading 2017 -- present: Flower Boy, change "The album was also released as a CD at most major retailers on July 21st. 2016." to "The album was also released as a CD at most major retailers on July 21st, 2017." 210.54.156.38 (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Genre
Tyler is not horrorcore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackflag133 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
He definitely is NOT horrorcore. Fucking retards...
- Why the fuck do people keep saying this? Don't be fucking idiots, ladies and gentlemen. A large amount of his music can be CLEARLY categorized as horrorcore due to the lyrical themes and the ominous instrumentals. I can understand Tyler denying the claim that he makes horrorcore due to his desire to not be pigeonholed, but for him and a lot of his fans(I am a fan, but not of ALL of his stuff) to say "ITZ NOT HRRORCROE" without any evidence or legitimate reasoning is not only just ridiculous(especially considering WP:SUBJECTIVE, it's also woefully ignorant. Dankyhashpants (talk) 03:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree in that a single label would probably pigeonhole the guy. But, he incorporates other genres into his music and oftentimes his songs will switch and turn direction. The horrorcore label should be used in his description, but so should alternative hip hop, experimental hip hop, and abstract hip hop. This will help people discover him when searching Wikipedia for artists specifically by genre alone. Carsontf45 (talk) 00:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 17 October 2017
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The result of the move request was: moved.This was a tough one, there appeared to be more consensus for pages to be moved based on strength of argument and policy. Please feel free to refer to move review if there is any problem. Mahveotm (talk) 08:40, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Tyler, The Creator → Tyler, the Creator – WP:CAPITALIZATION states that words such as "the" or "a" or "in" must be lowercase when in the middle of a proper noun. Type below if you agree or have a counter argument! AgWoolridge (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 21:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- That doesn't really matter in this case, because on most of his songs and promotional material he is either referred to as "Tyler The Creator" or "Tyler, The Creator". It's pretty much always capitalized. I mean, if he used lowercase and uppercase the same amount, it would be best to changed "the" to lowercase, but he always uses uppercase. SuperLuigi22 (talk) 23:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, he may stylize it like that but Wikipedia has to follow a default format. Ex. Marina and the Diamonds is always stylized with a capitalized "The", but not on Wikipedia. ASAP Rocky's name is stylized as "A$AP Rocky", but not Wikipedia, or Florence and the Machine which is always stylized as "Florence + The Machine". This is all because of Wikipedia's default style format, see Wikipedia:Article titles#Format. I can guarantee you that almost every proper noun article on Wikipedia with a "the" in it is lowercase. Hope this made it easier to understand! AgWoolridge (talk) 06:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Ah okay. I kind of wish the rule was different, but if that's the rule, than I say we move it to "Tyler, the Creator". SuperLuigi22 (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, he may stylize it like that but Wikipedia has to follow a default format. Ex. Marina and the Diamonds is always stylized with a capitalized "The", but not on Wikipedia. ASAP Rocky's name is stylized as "A$AP Rocky", but not Wikipedia, or Florence and the Machine which is always stylized as "Florence + The Machine". This is all because of Wikipedia's default style format, see Wikipedia:Article titles#Format. I can guarantee you that almost every proper noun article on Wikipedia with a "the" in it is lowercase. Hope this made it easier to understand! AgWoolridge (talk) 06:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note. This RM wasn't properly listed until 10 November. Jenks24 (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Oppose. I don't see where in WP:CAPITALIZATION it says that words forming proper name shouldn't be capitalized in article titles based on the guideline of sentence case? The opening paragraph's use of "even in the middle of a sentence" is referring to a proper name being capitalized within an article title. It even says "unless the title phrase is a proper name that would always occur capitalized", which I'm interpreting as "wherever in the title a proper name occurs, keep it capitalized". (See List of The Simpsons episodes.) According to the MoS—when not addressing titles specifically—at MOS:THECAPS, "The" should be capitalized mid-sentence if it's part of the proper name or expression (e.g. "J. R. R. Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings." or "public transport in The Hague"). MOS:THEMUSIC says that "However, 'the' should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the name of an album or other artwork" but doesn't specify artist? And that "An authoritative source will determine whether the word 'the' is part of a band's name", but doesn't mention its capitalization.
- I don't know if A$AP Rocky and Florence + The Machine are good examples as they contain symbols and it's not a capitalization issue, but I'm not sure what the deal is with A$AP Rocky because that stylization seems pretty universal to me and $ isn't a forbidden character. Also, Florence + The Machine's is referred to as "Florence & The Machine" on grammy.com, which leads me to believe use of the + isn't completely universal. Marina and the Diamonds' leader writes it with lowercase "the" on this blog entry while their website and billboard.com use both "Marine And The Diamonds" and "Marine and the Diamonds".
- TL;DR Tyler, The Creator seems very consistent in his use of capitalized "The", and various music-related outlets via quick searches seem to abide by this (grammy.com, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon, ). Its capitalization is also consistent through WP articles where he is the primary topic—Wolf (Tyler, The Creator album), Tyler, The Creator discography, etc., and seems like all body text. If that's the proper name, then there's no reason the title can't have a capitalized "The". – Rhinopias (talk) 02:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- It clearly states in WP:MOS "do not capitalize the in mid-sentence". As I have said, it is simply Wikipedia's format that all articles must follow that format. Minor words such as "the", "in", "on" or "and" must always be lower-case even in proper nouns, unless at the beginning of a title (such as your example, List of The Simpsons episodes. This article was originally titled "Tyler, the Creator" and it should not have been changed. AgWoolridge (talk) 06:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - AgWoolridge, you appear to read a whole lot of "musts" where they don't exist. MOS says: "Generally, do not capitalize..." MOS:THECAPS says "Do not ordinarily capitalize...". Idiomatic expressions are given as an exception. These include, not restricted to, "titles of artistic works". Some sources capitalise the T, others don't, Tyler does. Who cares? Cjhard (talk) 04:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- SuperLuigi22, I believe this may be relevant to your opinion on whether the article should be moved. Cjhard (talk) 04:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Let's just keep it as it is, it's not harming anybody. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 19:57, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- SuperLuigi22, I believe this may be relevant to your opinion on whether the article should be moved. Cjhard (talk) 04:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. While uppercase / lowercase entries vary considerably in the wild, Wikipedia has a set of guidelines which maintain uniformity and standardization. Titles of various works (such as films) as well as names of performers, are often seen rendered in all caps or with every word bearing an initial cap (another performer's stage name is stylized as LÉON, but the main title header of her Wikipedia entry is Léon (Swedish singer). If there were examples of other individuals who used a "The", perhaps an argument could be made for its use. However, all others, whether performers (Cedric the Entertainer) or fictional characters (Conan the Barbarian) use a "the", thus putting Tyler, The Creator in the same unacceptable stylistic form as LÉON, which is now a redirect to Léon (Swedish singer), in the same manner as Tyler, The Creator can be a redirect to Tyler, the Creator. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, WP:THE, MOS:TM, etc. WP does not mimic the marketing house style of random other publishers. And we don't capitalize "the" in nicknames (various individual editors do this, but we correct it when we encounter it). See also Cedric the Entertainer, which can be found again and again "in the wild" as "Cedric The Entertainer". WP just doesn't do that, any more than we use "Do It Like A Dude" or "Sonic The Hedgehog". It's common in marketing style and the headlinese of various news publishers to overcapitalize words like "a" and "the", but WP is not written in news style (WP:NOT#NEWS) or advertising style (WP:NOT#PROMO, WP:NPOV), as a matter of clear policy. This is an utterly routine overcapitalization cleanup move that should have been listed at WP:RM/TR. The fact that some fans of this article subject are not properly interpreting some of our WP:P&G pages doesn't change anything. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 18:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support per the use in quality sources (reliable sources, discounting primary sources, vimeo, youtube, etc). I was prepared to support "The Creator" as having plausible special meaning when capitalised, but on investigation I can't see a hint of special meaning, and when I went down the list (1-10) of current reference, all the reliable sources (mostly newspapers) use "Tyler, the Creator". If quality newspapers don't capitalise, there is no good argument for Wikipedia to treat it as an exception to normal Wikipedia style. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support: notified via Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Trademarks#Filibustered RM discussion. It's a pretty typical case of MOS:TM. There doesn't seem to be any reason to capitalise "The" in his pseudonym here and not elsewhere, especially when reliable sources tend not to follow his marketing stylisation. ‑‑YodinT 15:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support. Per MOS:THEMUSIC, an authoritative source is required to override general style rules. There is none in this case. The lowercase is used in a large number of reliable sources. James (talk/contribs) 18:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Oppose- it's fine where it is. fchd (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Extended discussion
OK so…
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization): (titles)
Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name
– it is a proper nameFor multiword page titles, one should leave the second and subsequent words in lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper name that would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence.
– so we now need to determine whether or not this proper name should not be capitalizedeven in the middle of the sentence
because the definite article is in the middle and is not a work- Applies sentence case without capitalizing inner articles to only
English titles of books, films, and other works
, not groups
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters § Capitalization of "The": (body text)
Do not ordinarily capitalize the definite article after the first word of a sentence; however, some idiomatic expressions, including the titles of artistic works, should be quoted exactly according to common usage
– not directly referencing groups, but is this name an "expression"?Use the same capitalization as the title of the article.
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names says nothing relevant.
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name): entirely about whether or not to include a definite article at the beginning of a subject's article title, but there is, I believe, an extremely contradictory message with line number 2. under "Convention" at top, where it reads:
On the contrary, United States does not include the article "The", because sentences such as "California is part of the United States" are written with a lowercase "the".
However, it says these conditions are met if (one of bullets below)the official or commonly used name or nickname of a group, sports team or company (e.g., The Beatles, …
. The article is at The Beatles, but ALL instances of "The Beatles" in a sentence are written as "the Beatles"… which seems incorrect according to this guideline. Articles titles including "the Beatles" after the first word are also written lowercase, e.g. List of songs recorded by the Beatles. - Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music § Names (definite article): whether or not "the" should be included in a name, but then:
Mid-sentence, per the MoS, the word "the" should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose
– generally, also hilariously using "the Beatles" as an exampleHowever, "the" should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the name of an album or other artwork
– not excluding groups
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music) § Bands, albums and songs: here we go! Great!
The definite article at the start of a band name (such as the Beatles) should be lowercase in running prose / sentence case.
– contradicts Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite …)?Capitalization of band names should be consistent with the guidelines for trademarks.
– OK (oddly redirecting to a specific section?)- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks:
Capitalize trademarks, being proper names.
– greatFor details, follow the same style as for titles of published works
– OK here we go once more- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters § Composition titles:
- Literally even says it's a mess right now, redirecting to 6 other sections… some of which I've listed above.
- Then says
For title case, the words that are not capitalized (unless they are the first or last word of the title) are: Articles (a, an, the)
with no exceptions (???)
@SMcCandlish: the only page that explicitly says what to do in relation to musical groups is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music § Capitalization, which you did not link to. (MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, and WP:THE especially, are also really not helpful in this case.) In /Music: 1. Standard English text formatting and capitalization rules apply to the names of bands and individual artists (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names).
This is still completely inexplicit and contradicted elsewhere, /Trademarks is difficult to find relevance in, and /Proper names says nothing remotely relevant. It took me hours to find this, and from a note at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Titles of works.
I appreciate the tone, though, as I'm most definitely on Wikipedia to slobber all over "Tyler, whatever Creator" since I'm trying to poke holes in AgWoolridge's really sound quoting of WP's formatting guidelines. Next time I'll just read WP:NOT instead of digging through a mess of pages in order to figure out whether or not to capitalize one letter. – Rhinopias (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- The whole problem with this monster analysis is a WP:LAWYER-ish idea that if some micro-topic isn't specifically covered by a tiny rule exactly and only about that fragmentary sub-sub-sub-matter that somehow no rule applies to it. We have general rules for a reason. If we tried to write separate rules for song titles, and nicknames, and logos on packaging, and names of airports, and capital letters in railway stations versus railway lines, and [insert 10,000 other things here], MoS would be orders of magnitude longer than all the world's other style guides combined, and we'd have thousands of naming conventions pages. All that is sufficient here is that WP does not use a capital letter (or other stylization) unless the overwhelming majority of reliable sources do so consistently for that specific case. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 02:08, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- It may be overly explained, but the core premise is a valid one which is what I thought when I read the guidelines you linked: they don't support what you're saying. Cjhard (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Of course they do; I've quoted some of the important bits for you, below. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Cjhard: my point in that wasn't to point out which pages referenced by others were not relevant, as I began writing that days ago in response to AgWoolridge's reply to my oppose above, trying to find where in the manual it said what they were saying to me. – Rhinopias (talk) 03:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- @SMcCandlish: I agree that was LAWYER-y of me, and I apologize, because I am in no way attempting to find one hole in the project pages to justify not supporting this move that I have no emotional attachment to. I began that search because I seriously wanted to find where AgWoolridge's quoted text in their initial proposal was in the manual since they could not point me to it, and I ended up eventually finding the generalization that applies to this topic of articles. How do we determine, if not through discussion, what is an exception to generalizations where no exception is explicitly written out? (Also, that led me to You might be wikilawyering if… like, WP:THE is entirely about whether or not to include articles in titles, and has absolutely no relevance here.)
- How was this request determined to be about "marketing house style"? If the whole point is that, as you say, we don't do something unless the overwhelming majority of reliable sources do, then I haven't seen in this discussion any analyses of sources utilized in the article and of ones that are available elsewhere to determine which case is more consistently used. All I'm getting from policy is that we capitalize trademarks (which /Music says to follow), but we also use title case, so is this now decided by sources to determine if the name of the artist (the trademark) is with a capitalized "The"? – Rhinopias (talk) 03:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Making up a self-aggrandizing stage name for yourself = marketing, and it is a trademark (if you decide to go on tour and put out albums under the name "Tyler, the Creator", capitalized any way at all, you will successfully be sued). PS, re: "How do we determine ... what is an exception to generalizations where no exception is explicitly written out?" Stop looking for exceptions. There is no WP:IAR to be found here (and continuing to seek one makes it difficult to take at face value any disclaimers of disinterest in the subject). After 16+ years, MoS does not need to make any more exceptions and has already catalogued and enumerated every sort we're ever likely to encounter. The entire point of our standard to avoid capitalization (and other stylization) except where RS consistently use it for the subject in question is to avoid 10,000 new rules for separate subjects. This case doesn't pass that test. Above, you seem to think it does, but that's disproven in seconds [6]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- It may be overly explained, but the core premise is a valid one which is what I thought when I read the guidelines you linked: they don't support what you're saying. Cjhard (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
This discussion has gone very far, I haven't even read all of this yet but I think the best way to make a decision would be to ask an administrator what the final decision should be and trust it based on their knowledge. AgWoolridge (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- It's more that someone spilled the discussion on the floor and it's spread out into a sticky mess; not exactly forward travel. Let's be clear, since it's not always admins who close RMs, and some who are new to WP:NAC just count "votes" without thinking about the underlying policy arguments.
Between all of these and more:
- "do not capitalize the in mid-sentence";
- "choose the style that most closely resembles standard English - regardless of the preference of the trademark owner";
- "Initial capitals ... should not be used for emphasis";
- "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization...; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia";
- and unmistakeable lack of consistent capitalization of "the" in the case of this subject in such sources [7];
- there is only one outcome, and could only have ever been one. This move should have been listed at WP:RM/TR because it is not in fact controversial in any way, no matter how much "I'm just not seeing or absorbing the applicable rules somehow" commentary someone wants to keep pouring out. Lack of understanding of or familiarity with rules and their application is not a controversy, it's just an indication of reading someone needs to catch up on before they get involved in the same kind of discussion again. If it continues, it's a WP:NOTGETTINGIT and WP:FILIBUSTER problem.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)- Thank you, this should clear it up to those who do not understand why the page should be moved. AgWoolridge (talk) 09:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2017
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Add 'Best Rap Album' nomination Polysheep (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Not done: You must provide a source for this change. ToThAc (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Genres
Would it be applicable to add surreal comedy and/or some other comedic genre under his genre list due to his roles in shows like Loiter Squad and The Eric Andre Show? BryceJorgensen (talk) 07:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2018
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Add his latest music video for "Okra" to the music video section. JohnLFC5712 (talk) 14:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2018
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Under occupations add actor, and television show creator as he has starred in and made television shows. HanzoMain69 (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. General Ization Talk 00:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2018
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In the brief bio of Tyler, the Creator, at the beginning of article, it lists Okonma as an American rapper, record producer and music video director. The only edit I suggest making is recognizing Okonma as a fashion designer. Within the same paragraph, it reads "Okonma creates all the artwork for the group's releases[2] and also designs the group's clothing and other merchandise."
Two paragraphs afterword, it reads "In 2011, Okonma started the clothing company Golf Wang". In Wikipedia's page on his brand, Golf Wang, it reads that his first and only Golf Wang fashion show was attended by fashion designer and musician Kanye West, and high fashion model Kendall Jenner.
Tyler, the Creator, although tending to break the both mold and social taboos in how he presents and designs his clothing (as seen in the Billboard articles; "Tyler, the Creator and the Ironic(ish) Style of His Golf Wang Line" and "Tyler the Creator Marries White Power Symbol to LGBT Colors on New T-Shirt") he deserves to be recognized as an innovator in the fashion, streetwear and skaterwear universe.
The following are a collection of videos, social media activity, other articles and various websites giving credence to Tyler as a fashion designer.
Popular fashion-directed YouTube channel "Frugal Aesthetic" recognizes Okonma for his original style in "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx9AURr5-oQ How to Bootleg.vans (talk) 18:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Not done: What you are calling the "brief bio" we generally call the lead, for which we have a LEAD|Manual of Style. The MOS says:
According to the policy on due weight, emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources.
It does not appear that the subject's forays into fashion and set design rise to the same level of relative prominence as the rest of his endeavors. These activities are already discussed in the body text. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2018
Cherry bomb was released in 2015, not "201" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.178.189.194 (talk) 15:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Change "gap toof t" to Gap Tooth T. 68.204.82.123 (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Not done The article credits Tyler, the Creator exactly as his credits appeared on the works. See [8]. General Ization Talk 22:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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Tyler made a song called ¨See you again¨ in 2018, witch not is on the wiki page Topdollartoby (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. General Ization Talk 13:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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There's a source for Bastard's ranking of 32 on Pitchfork's Best Albums of 2010 list. Someone needs to replace the citation needed tag with it: https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/7893-the-top-50-albums-of-2010/?page=2 108.17.18.29 (talk) 13:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:30, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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Change his picture 71.211.76.70 (talk) 02:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Not done: do you have another free image of him you'd like to use? I think the current infobox photo is fine. Highway 89 (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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The associated acts section of his infobox links to the incorrect Steve Lacy. It should link to the musician born in 1998, but instead goes to the deceased saxophonist.2601:586:400:8EC:5DE6:48EA:6C2C:DA89 (talk) 15:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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Change his picture, and add Eafrquake and I Think into his directed music videos. 71.211.45.213 (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Not done: Vague requests to add, update, modify, or improve an image are generally not honored unless you can point to a specific image already uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons that you would like included on this article. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. Thanks, ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 12:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Tyler's real birth date
Alright, does anybody who knows Tyler in real life have any details on his actual birth date? No real name is fine, but considering how many people are likely to reference this page, being sure that we have accurate biographical data seems important.
My best guess is May 6, 1991 based on his Twitter posts (although he once stated March 6, 1991 and apparently also mentioned being 20 years old in a recent interview). It's worth mentioning that he openly states that he enjoys lying in interviews about his name/age/etc -- funny, but doesn't help us make this page... --24.13.224.40 (talk) 10:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Yes his birthday is march 6, 1991 he is now of (2019) 28 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron guzman (talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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Change artist to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tyler_in_June_2014.png ItsyaboialiaDUNDUN (talk) 01:20, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Not done. There's no licensing information on the image on Commons, and it would seem to be a copyright violation upon first inspection. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Bio Information
TYLER IS GAY AS FUCK if ANYONE CAN SEE THIS, Edit the page to say he's 22. Today's his birthday and I can't edit it due to the "protection of biographies of living people" policy. The page says he's 21, but he's 22 now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.89.91 (talk) 03:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
As stated by the template, this is a BLP. As such, we should be extremely careful about adding information that's not backed up by a reliable source or is original research. This page has been a target for vandalism so far but there have also been subtle additions like the Grand Prairie Texas High School thing that stayed in the article for several days despite not being supported by sources. 71.62.188.38 (talk) 00:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC) I'm just wondering why we don't have a redirect from "Tyler Okonma". I mean if someone searches for Robert Allen Zimmerman, the Bob Dylan page pops up, so why doesn't searching Tyler Okonma bring up Tyler, the Creator? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.230.7 (talk) 02:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC) HE IS DADDYYYYYYYYYYYY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.12.202 (talk) 17:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
IF ANYONE SEES THIS HE IS NOW 29 CHANGE HIS AGE Dvnieell (talk) 15:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Filmography update
Tyler appeared in Episode 207 in Jim Carrey’s Show Kidding as staff member for a nostalgia wellness center. Bakuman47 (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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Add Tyler's guest appearances on the show Kidding (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Kidding), season 2 episodes 7 and 9 220.240.237.46 (talk) 01:53, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Religion
To me it seems that Tyler could be a devil worshiper. His lyrics brings God down for all religions. I don't know if its a gimmick or the real thing. Could we get it conformed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoeusHelios22 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC) Just because you're atheist doesn't mean you're a devil worshiper, moron. 50.53.50.113 (talk) 00:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Well when you have an inverted cross on your head it draws suspecion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoeusHelios22 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- "worshipper", "confirmed", "suspicion". Practice harder on your spelling! Contaldo80 (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
tyler is athiest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claywill4 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC) The inverted cross is to troll people like you. It's called the cross of saint peter. http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Cross_of_St._Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.172.182 (talk) 18:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Tyler, The Creator DOES NOT WORSHIP THE DEVIL. He just doesnt give a fuck.
Inverted cross is the sign of the Antichrist. So when he puts an inverted cross on his albums it makes him look like he worships Satan. Tyler, The Creator is atheist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.39.1 (talk) 03:46, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
The inverted cross is the symbol of the Pope and is referred to as the Cross of St. Peter, any connection to the anti-Christ is unfounded, even among its use as an anti-Christian symbol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.50.211 (talk) 01:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
An upside down cross is the symbol of the apostle Peters's crucifixion as he didn't want to be put on the same level of Jesus.Carsontf45 (talk) 00:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Tyler, The creator does not worship the devil, he was just a wild teenager who made some pretty wild and amazing music, i don’t think he’s a religious person but it shouldn’t really matter, his music is good <3 Beetlejuiceskneecaps (talk) 06:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
photo
someone PLEASE change the photo of tyler it’s literally 8 YEARS OLD please please please it’s bothering me, maybe like a picture of him winning holding his grammy would be amazing, or even just at least a picture of him in 2020, please i’m begging you, who ever sees this PLEASE and thank you <3 Beetlejuiceskneecaps (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Instead of calling him a rapper, rather change it to musician, as he does not only rap, but also sing in his music, and he himself said he does not want to be known just as a rapper Jannes.Ro (talk) 22:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- i've changed it up StackJack (talk) 07:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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71.211.52.245 (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Add different photo Remove horrorcore in genre Add Bastard to his discography
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 09:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Real name
Anyone know what Tyler's real name is? that'd be nice to see on the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.182.46 (talk) 22:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
- Now we seem to have Tyler's legal name on the page (and the same has been added for Earl Sweatshirt) but there are no sources for the addition and a Google search doesn't really turn up anything. Can someone provide a verifiable source for this? Chillllls (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9371/32825294.jpg Tyler and Earl are brothers so they have the same last name. L Trey (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)what 2601:283:4380:4190:C822:59B5:444E:4A22 (talk) 19:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- An Imageshack image of a high school yearbook that shows someone who may or may not be Tyler the Creator is so far from WP:RS that it is laughable. Please read Wikipedia policies regarding reliable sources and verifiability. Chillllls (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. Then we should wait until Tyler becomes famous. Some reliable source will write his bio. But in the interviews, Tyler many times said he has an African surname. L Trey (talk) 15:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- What interviews? Where? Please provide some evidence to back up your statements. Chillllls (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- http://www.piquemag.com/?p=110 L Trey (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Notice how he doesn't say his last name, he just says that it's "African." This doesn't meet the threshold for verifiability. Chillllls (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- http://www.piquemag.com/?p=110 L Trey (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- What interviews? Where? Please provide some evidence to back up your statements. Chillllls (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. Then we should wait until Tyler becomes famous. Some reliable source will write his bio. But in the interviews, Tyler many times said he has an African surname. L Trey (talk) 15:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- An Imageshack image of a high school yearbook that shows someone who may or may not be Tyler the Creator is so far from WP:RS that it is laughable. Please read Wikipedia policies regarding reliable sources and verifiability. Chillllls (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9371/32825294.jpg Tyler and Earl are brothers so they have the same last name. L Trey (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)what 2601:283:4380:4190:C822:59B5:444E:4A22 (talk) 19:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
his real name is TYLER OKONMA GREGORY
Consistent name throughout the article
At the beginning of the article, he is referred to as simply Tyler, but then directly after the intro—starting in "Early life"—he is then referred to as Okonma. I think a single name should be used (I prefer Okonma, however MOS:SURNAME would disagree) throughout the entire article. signed, SpringProof talk 00:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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under the picture, make it say his last name instead of "Tyler in 2012". Last names only Skliws (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Length of the Controversy section
My understanding of WP:CSECTION is that controversies should ideally be integrated into the article's other sections. The current Controversy section is longer than most subsections under Career, which I believe may veer into WP:UNDUE, however unintentionally. I acknowledge the relevance of many of the criticisms levelled at Tyler and do not object to their inclusion in the article. What I'm suggesting is rather to find consensus on how to better integrate them in the article without such a lengthy Controversy section. Bizarre BizarreTalk modern to me 22:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Add Tyler Baudelaire to 'also known as' Biggggtailur (talk) 04:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Living Concrete (talk) 05:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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Under Career, under 2019-Present:
Change “The billboard included a phone number that when called, a recorded conversation between Okonma and his mother is played, which could serve as a snippet from an unreleased song.” to “The billboard included a phone number that when called, a recorded conversation between Okonma and his mother is played, which was later released as the song MOMMA TALK on the album.” Srayberg (talk) 04:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Done. Next time, please provide your own reliable sources to back up your claims. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Add in "also known as" Bunny Hop, nickname which Pharrel gave him a few years ago Stereotypecs (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Filmography as director is incomplete
In the "as director" section under filmography, the latest video mentioned is "I Think" from 2019. He has directed 5 music videos and 3 shorts/sketches since then (can be seen on Tyler, the Creator's youtube channel). If the page could be updated, that would be great.
AmigoJuarez (talk) 07:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Change awards in paragraph
“Tyler has won a Grammy Award,[3] a BRIT Award, and an MTV Video Music Award.”
Change to
“Tyler has won a Grammy Award,[3] a BRIT Award, an MTV Video Music Award, and 3 BET Hip Hop awards.” Jechava (talk) 03:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Personal life
The personal life is talking about someone else, not Tyler the creator 37.6.65.135 (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Controversies
User:FMSky reverted my edit saying that his sexuality doesnt belong in the lead; and i respond, his controversies do, just like in Travis Scott article, there is a little part of the lead section that sums it--Diana7800 (talk) 20:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- his controversies are already mentioned: "With his gritty, horrorcore-influenced earlier releases, Tyler was often criticized for his use of homophobic and misogynistic slurs in his lyrics." FMSky (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- they are mentioned but not in the lead, while on every other artist, like Travis Scott, they are summed in the lead also--Diana7800 (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- The statement is in the lead, second paragraph FMSky (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- It cited his homophobia used in his music, not in public statements, as supported in the apposite section--Diana7800 (talk) 20:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- The statement is in the lead, second paragraph FMSky (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- they are mentioned but not in the lead, while on every other artist, like Travis Scott, they are summed in the lead also--Diana7800 (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Accolades three BET awards in the opening
Change to: “Tyler has won a Grammy Award,[3] a BRIT Award, 3 BET Awards, and an MTV Video Music Award.”
Other rappers have this accolade distinction as well (see Megan thee Stallion and A$AP Rocky) Jechava (talk) 07:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Picture
His main picture above his info is so bad; its from 2012 perhaps we should use a newer one?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorganAustin (talk • contribs) 03:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- https://odd-future.fandom.com/wiki/Tyler,_The_Creator
- I think that the image of Tyler in this link would be so much more relevant to who he is today. Jechava (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Tyler has won a Grammy Award,[3] a BRIT Award, and an MTV Video Music Award." to "Tyler has won a Grammy Award,[3] a BRIT Award, an MTV Video Music Award, and three BET Hip Hop Awards." Jechava (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. That seems to be enough detail for the lead. The article body links to the entire article on his awards. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:51, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Then why do Megan Thee Stallion, J.Cole, Cardi B, Lil Wayne, Lil Baby, and numerous other rappers have BET Awards listed in their leads? There should be consistency in what awards are listed. As a hip hop artist, the Tyler’s BET awards are notable and should be in the lead. Jechava (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- A lot of discretion is left up to the reviewer, and if they want further discussion they're entitled to request that. I tend to follow more of WP:BRD policy when reviewing edit requests myself, and I've gone ahead and
Implemented this request, as I think Jechava does have a point about consistency. I hope that's alright with you ScottishFinnishRadish. ––FormalDude talk 23:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's a-ok with me. I tend towards less verbose leads myself, but I don't feel strongly about it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change Tyler, The Creator’s picture to a newer image, https://www.google.com/search?q=tyler+the+creator&source=lmns&bih=720&biw=414&prmd=niv&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS599US599&hl=en-US&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilr9OJkdT2AhVGOlMKHXlQBs8Q_AUoAHoECAAQAw#imgrc=iuUCPBwAgYMUWM Jechava (talk) 07:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Not done: images have to uploaded in Wikimedia Commons first (and also be of a suitable license) before they can be used in wikipedia. 💜 melecie talk - 07:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Change in the Personal life section
He described himself in a 2015 Rolling Stone interview as "gay as fuck" and said "My friends are so used to me being gay. They don't even care."[145]. The link doesn't lead to a Rolling Stone interview and it didn't even take place in 2015.
Kingkongdingdong69 (talk) 06:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Tyler was born in Hawthorn California and stayed in lower ladera when he was 17 97.120.204.218 (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:11, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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In the Early Life and Education section, one instance of Hawthorne is misspelled as "Hawthrone". 2603:8000:7700:5414:8F3:E686:D9B:E13D (talk) 23:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Done - thanks for noticing and happy editing! --Ferien (talk) 08:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Controversies section
Based on my assessment of Wikipedia:Criticism - I've removed the section altogether, placing appropriate information elsewhere in the article. However I did remove what I believe to be irrelevant criticism and WP:UNDUE weight criticism. CaffeinAddict (talk) 04:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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Under 'Sexuality', can you put something like "Tyler labeled himself as bisexual on his 2022 collaboration with Pharrell Williams and 21 Savage, 'Cash In Cash Out'." ?
The lyric in the song is "Goin' both sides, yeah, you could say I'm B-I".
Source: [1] PsyIconic (talk) 06:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need actual reliable sources discussing this, not WP:OR based on song lyrics. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 October 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): PrisillaC000 (article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by PrisillaC000 (talk) 06:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Hi 2601:406:4C02:ADC0:61DB:C222:4A97:4B72 (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Im black and its black history month so if i dont get to do it your racist now hand a brotha a pen fella cha ching sike give me money too lol pog Lukibaluki69 (talk) 07:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please propose a concrete change the the article itself. --Mvqr (talk) 13:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hey, I think you should add the latest "Estate Sale" to either a new discography add or an extension of Call me if you get lost. All the information is out on his twitter https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator and currently up on both spotify and apple music. Flyingcactuz (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is self-published and therefore not considered a reliable source; see WP:TWITTER. Actualcpscm (talk) 00:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
CMIYGL Estate Sale
I think you should add the music videos and when he released it Schloggysham (talk) 15:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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88.20.109.52 (talk) 07:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
They got to put the Estate Sale (The deluxe of CMIYGL)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. AnnaMankad (talk) 07:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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add something about his April 26, 2023 performance at the El Rey theatre in Los Angeles, California SHIZFR (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Callmemirela 🍁 03:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Call me if you get lost: the estate sale 2023 in the discography section 2A02:C7F:3A9A:E900:D181:4B02:F7E6:26EC (talk) 06:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Semi Protected Edit Request
His religion is inaccurate. He sems more hostile towards Christianity, but agnostic in general and speaks about god in some of his music. Kingofkey (talk) 23:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Tavarius
Robinson songs @bigbaby i’m gonna grow 2601:C4:CA01:F3C0:C19:887:B780:3885 (talk) 21:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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tyler the creator is a pretty cool person. Baddieuwugirl (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- yes he is Baddieuwugirl (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- I ❤ tyler Baddieuwugirl (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Made an edit need a citation
I posted an update on the Tyler/Khaled feud and am unsure how to cite it, here's the link to the article I reference: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/dj-khaled-til-next-time-mark-wahlberg-project-drake-interview-1234829190/ Djampuu (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Tyler, The Creator's height is 5'10. Thisuyeaahhhhh (talk) 07:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Edit suggestions with citations
The last sentence in the artistry section contains a grammatical error (establish->established (i think)) The feuds section could benefit from a addition of his lyric on "WHAT A DAY" from CMIYGL -"I put so many ni**as on, you thought DJ Khaled made it" The switch between cherry bomb and flower boy is strongly attributed to pharell (https://www.nme.com/news/music/tyler-the-creator-shares-pharrell-life-changing-career-advice-3394758) 46.135.20.158 (talk) 11:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)