Talk:Tripolitania

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On 11 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Tripolitania (region). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Tripolitanian Republic ?

So the article about the Libyan flag includes a mention of a 1918-1923 "Tripolitanian Republic" which redirects to "Tripolitania", which includes no mention of this alleged republic ? Italy was not on the losing side of WW1 and as far as I have been able to determine, did not lose control of Libya in the aftermath of that war, so what is this supposed republic ? Needs some details if anybody knows. Eregli bob (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 17:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tripolitania → Tripolitania (region) – Not the WP:PTOPIC. For example, the article Ottoman Tripolitania has twice the number of hits. New name consistent with e.g. Syria (region) and Palestine (region). Onceinawhile (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, this would also mean Tripolitania (disambiguation) → Tripolitania. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Page views are not the only method of determining a primary topic; in this case, because the existing Tripolitania article discusses the region throughout history, I feel that it serves as a broad-concept article with sufficient long-term significance to hold the primary title. Personally, I don't find the cases of Syria and Palestine to be analogous; both of those regions share their names with currently extant countries, so it would be WP:ASTONISHing for the titles to point to historical regions instead. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't see the point in a broad-concept article that isn't primary. Onceinawhile, you removed material from this article back in September. Why? What do you see this article as? Srnec (talk) 03:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Srnec: Over many years the scope of the article had become a confused mix between the specific modern post-Italian province and the general varied-definition historical region. The confusion likely came about because we were missing an article on the modern province, so I created it at Tripolitania (province), moving some but not all of the related text. This article was, is, and should remain a broad-concept article about the region and its related but widely-varied historical definitions, as per WP:DABCONGEO.

The nub of this debate so far seems to be whether a broad-concept article should always sit at the base name, even if it is materially less popular as a topic versus the individually-defined related articles. ModernDayTrilobite points out above that it wouldn’t be appropriate for the broad-concept article to sit at the base name if that base name is also the name of a country. We could make other such exceptions I am sure, making it all very complicated. Hence I advocate for a simpler interpretation – if, despite base title advantage, a broad-concept article doesn’t end up being the most viewed topic, then it probably shouldn’t sit at the base name. That would be consistent with the WP:BCA guideline which has a foundational assumption that …if the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept….

Onceinawhile (talk) 12:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't work for history articles. If period A is the most popular in the history of X, it doesn't get to sit at "History of X". So the question is, is that what this is? It certainly seems to be what it is to me: a history of Tripolitania article, since the term refers to human geography. Srnec (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. They're all regions! But I would agree that this is the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.