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Move to "Tipu Sultan"

Seeing as his name is ٹیپو سلطان and not تپپو سلطان, his name is correctly Romanized as "Tipu" and not "Tippu". Should this be moved to Tipu Sultan instead? I think so. GSMR (talk) 18:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Where's that little important part that he was a Shiite. There's no reference to that though this stubborn battle till his death is reported in French and English sources as one of the "...vile traits of Shiites." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.193.177 (talk) 07:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Attitude towards Christians

I have removed the opening sentence "Tipu was widely reputed to be anti-Christian". This is not found in the reference provided. Such a harsh, general statement as the opening sentence gives reader no further incentive to read the further paragraphs and is clearly a POV push. If Tipu had built a Christian church at the request of French, then should we also write that he was a Christian missionary? No I guess. Zencv ^Whisper 11:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Building a Christian church does not even hint that Tipu could be a Christian missionary. So, i fail to understand your logic. Anyway, the disputed statement has now been sourced and reworded from, "Tipu was widely reputed to be anti-Christian" to "Tipu was widely reputed to be a fanatical anti-Christian". These are referenced by the following:

• The British Isles and the War of American Independence by Stephen Conway
• South Kanara, 1799-1860: a study in colonial administration and regional response by N. Shyam Bhat
• Religion and society in South India: Hindus, Muslims, and Christians by J. B. Prashant More, Institute for Research in Social Sciences and Humanities of MESHAR.

These should be more than enough. Furthermore, keep in mind that the article does not imply that he was anti-Christian, but mentions the now sourced fact that he was widely believed to be anti-Christian. Joyson Konkani 13:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The first reference just says "Tipu was regarded as a fanatical anti Christian". Other sources mention his anti Christian policies, but do not mention that he was "fanatical anti Christian". Just because one (biased) historian says that "he was regarded as a fanatical anti Christian", you cannot say "widely believed". To have such a wording, you need more concensus among historians. Also Tipus perceived hostility towards Christians could be due to anti British sentiments as well as one of your sources say. So we have to have more neutral sentence. I have corrected accordingly Zencv ^Whisper 14:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the correction. Joyson Konkani 15:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Recently added to article

The following text was recently added to the article. I have removed it because it is unencyclopedic in form; it may contain useful information to add to the article.

In the words of Ravi Varma, one of the contributors to the anthology: "It was Tipu Sultan and his fanatic Muslim army who converted thousands of Hindus to Islam all along the invasion route and occupied areas in North Kerala, Coorg, Mangalore, and other parts of Karnataka. Besides over 8,000 Hindu temples were desecrated and/or destroyed by his Muslim army. Even today, one can see large concentrations of Muslims and ruins of hundreds of destroyed temples in North Kerala as standing evidence of the Islamic brutalities committed by Tipu Sultan ... He was, all through, waging a cruel Islamic war against the Hindu population of Kerala, with a large Muslim army and ably assisted by the French with powerful field guns and European troops. ...In spite of all this, historical documents and records are being suppressed, distorted, and falsified in order to project this fanatic Tipu Sultan of Mysore as a national hero like Chhatrapati Shivaji, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Rana Pratap Singh, and Pazhassi Raja of Kerala. It is an insult to our national pride and also to the Hindus of Kerala by our 'secular' government and the motivated Muslim and Marxist historians of Jawaharlal Nehru, Aligarh, and Islamia universities."

So what do the original sources tell us about Tipu? The anthology includes excerpts from Tipu's letters as researched by the distinguished Kerala historian K. M. Panicker, which he reviewed in the Bhasha Poshini magazine, August 1923:

1. Letter dated March 22, 1788, to Abdul Kadir: "Over 12,000 Hindus were honored with Islam. There were many Namboodri Brahmins among them. This achievement should be widely publicised among the Hindus. Then the local Hindus should be brought before you and converted to Islam. No Namboodri Brahmin should be spared. "

2. Letter dated December 14, 1788, to his army chief in Calicut: “I am sending two of my followers with Mir Hussain Ali. With their assistance, you should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 may be kept in prison and 5000 from the rest should be killed from the tree-tops. These are my orders."

3. Letter dated January 18, 1790, to Syed Abdul Dulai: " ...almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. I consider this as Jihad."

From 'A Voyage to the East Indies' by Fra Barthoelomeo, a renowned Portuguese traveller and historian, who was present in Tipu's war zone in early 1790:

"First a corps of 30,000 barbarians who butchered everybody on the way ... followed by the field gun unit under the French commander, M. Lally. Tipu was riding on an elephant behind which another army of 30,000 soldiers followed. Most of the men and women were hanged in Calicut; first mothers were hanged with their children tied to necks of mothers. That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied the naked Christian and Hindus to the legs of elephants and made the elephants to move around till the bodies of the helpless victims were torn to pieces. Temples and churches were ordered to be burned down, desecrated, and destroyed. ... Those Christians who refused to be honoured with Islam were ordered to be killed by hanging immediately. These atrocities were told to me by the victims of Tipu Sultan who escaped from the clutches of his army and reached Varapphuza, which is the centre of Carmichael Christian Mission. I myself helped many victims to cross the Varapphuza River by boats."

Dr. P.C.C. Raja, a direct descendent of the Zamorin of Calicut, writes in the anthology: "Tipu Sultan was one of the worst fanatics, and more inhuman than even the Nazis”

In The Histoire d l'Inde, French historian Alain Danielou wrote: "From the time Muslims started arriving in 632 A.D., the history of India becomes a long monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoilations, destructions. It is as usual in the name of 'a holy war' of their faith, their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations”.

In the words of the well-known American historian Will Durant, "the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident lesson is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate balance can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplication from within."

Tipu corresponded with Zaman Shah, grandson Ahmad Shah Abdali and ruler of Afghanistan before the Third Mysore War (1792) and continued to do so till 1798. These letters were translated by Kabir Kausar in The History of Tipu Sultan. In one place, he wrote: "My exalted ambition has for its object a holy war ... In the midst of this land the Almighty protects this trace of Muhammadan dominion like the Ark of Noah and cuts short the extended arm of the abandoned infidel". In a letter dated February 5, 1797: "We should unite in carrying on a holy war against the enemies of our religion.... Thine armies shall ... render us victorious."

The sword of Tipu Sultan carried an inscription in Persian: "My victorious Sabre is lightening for the destruction of the unbelievers. Thou art our Lord, make him victorious who promotes the faith of Muhammad. Confound him, who refuses the faith of Muhammad and withold us from those who are so inclined" (History of Mysore, CH Rao, Vol III, p 1073). The Mysore Gazetteer also provides details about Tipu's destruction of over 800 temples in South India

C. Nandagopal Menon, the convener of the Bombay Malayalee Samajam, says: "Tipu had immense faith in astrology. It was at the appeal of his Hindu astrologer and his own mother that Tipu spared two temples out of 12 within Sriangapatnam Fort. Moreover, by the end of 1790, Tipu was facing enemies from all sides. He was also defeated at the Travancore Defense Lines. It was only then, in order to appease the Hindus of Mysore, that he gave some land-grants to Hindu temples." For more on this, read the book: Tipu Sultan: Villain or Hero? Edited by Sita Ram Goel New Dehli: Voice of India, 1995.

Zilfi55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zulfi55 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Pl also consider the following paragraph before deciding about Tipu Sultan: hero or vilon

Brittlebank, Hasan, Chetty, Habib and Saletare, amongst others, argue that stories of Tipu Sultan's religious persecution of Hindus and Christians are largely derived from the work of early British authors such as Kirkpatrick[32] and Wilks,[33] whom they do not consider to be entirely reliable.[34] A. S. Chetty argues that Wilks’ account in particular cannot be trusted,[35] Irfan Habib and Mohibbul Hasan argues that these early British authors had a strong vested interest in presenting Tipu Sultan as a tyrant from whom the British had liberated Mysore.[36] This assessment is echoed by Brittlebank in her recent work where she writes that Wilks and Kirkpatrick must be used with particular care as both authors had taken part in the wars against Tipu Sultan and were closely connected to the administrations of Lord Cornwallis and Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquess Wellesley.[37]

Tipu's Mother

Bowring has Fakhr-un-nissa as being the daughter of Mir Moin-ud-din, Governor of Kadapa, rather than Shahal Tariq (as in the article). Are Moin-ud-din and Shahal Tariq the same person?

Graeme Cook (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

This source claims Shahal Tariq is Fakhr-un-nissa's mother. The article repeats this claim... Magic♪piano 18:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. Large tracts from that source (Freedom fighters of India by Lion M. G. Agrawal) are directly cut/pasted into the article. Magic♪piano 18:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Double sigh. Said book appears to be a compilation of Wikipedia articles. Magic♪piano 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Raccoonvs (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)"There is also a recent finding that the popular legendary woman warrior Unniyarcha was a contemporary of Tipu Sultan and in fact Tipu had captured her in war and taken her to Mysore in 1790 May and forced her to be one of his wives. The finding was made by writer Manantheri Bhaskaran who claims to be Unniyarcha's relative (4th generation grandson of Unniyarcha's brother)"

This claim cannot be correct as Unniyarcha lived in 16th Century while Tippu is from 2 centuries later.

Please remove this sentenceRaccoonvs (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Treatment of prisoners

The statement of Professor Sheikh Ali (..."took his stand on the bedrock of humanity, regarding all his subjects as equal citizen to live in peace, harmony and concord.") says nothing about the headlined "Treatment of prisoners" itself and represents a harsh contrast to what is posted in the "Attitude towards Christians" section ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.130.141 (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No account of Tipu Sultan is neutral. They either have an anti-Tipu or pro-Tipu bias. Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

My point is, that this looks like a private impression of Prof. Ali which says nothing about the topic (...treatment of prisoners...) ... what kind of FACT (concerning treatment of prisoners) is this ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.140.238 (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

It is a private impression, unless it is backed up with evidence. Anyway, he is quoted. It is not being mentioned as FACT, but as his own personal opinion. Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 17:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

...I Repeat: ... it says nothing about treatment of prisoners —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.42.23 (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

The anon has a point. The quote is about Tipu's subjects (i.e. citizens of Mysore), not his prisoners (captives taken from various places, and prisoners of war). The quote may be appropriate to use, but it appears out of place in a short section with that title. Magic♪piano 18:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. I misunderstood what he meant. This is what happens when you read in haste. Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 18:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Why is this section even present in the history of Tipu Sultan? Is it customary in Wikipedia, when writing encyclopedic article about rulers, to explain how they treated prisoners? Moreover, as it stands, the purpose of this short section seems to be to say that thirteen British prisoners were found dead at the end of the final siege. This does not constitute any great insight into how Tipu treated prisoners. Recommend this section be removed.Kishorekumar 62 (talk) 06:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Frivolous comments about Unniyarcha

Unfounded comments about the 16th century legendary folklore heroine Unniyarcha have been included in this article, connecting her to Tipu Sultan of the 18th century. The fundamental timeline contradiction of two centuries is sufficient reason to remove those comments from section 4.1 of this article. Serious editors of this article please take note and remove those edits mentioning Unniyarcha. Irresponsible journalism in Kerala, where any unfounded claim can be set off as a rumour should not be reason to twist real history of Tipu Sultan. Literary historians have for long dated the folklores Vadakkan Pattukal to the 16th century. The legends of Unniyarcha originate from the folklores, two centuries prior to Tipu Sultan! Aaroamal (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Note

Sultanate of Mysore and the Kingdom of Mysore are two totally different dynasties.```(182.182.33.151 (talk) 08:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC))

Petty Kingdoms

Under "Ruler of Mysore" the article says: "He managed to subdue all the petty kingdoms in the south" South of what? South India? South Asia? What are "petty" kingdoms? How do we define "petty"? We need an explanation or reliable citations, or we need to remove that sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keecheril (talk • contribs) 22:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Praise

Please show both sides of the coin and not see Tipu in black or white. There seems to be an attempt to heap unwarranted praise upon Tipu Sultan in an attempt to make him some sort of a deity and to project him as a hero of certain regions. I would request editors to look out for original research and project facts as it is while not trying to cover them up. Wikipedia is not a medium to be used to glorify individuals. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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I agree - the article should be objective. Notthebestusername (talk) 04:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

You have a lot of wrong information updated

You are clearly showing Tipu Sultan as a villain where as everywhere he is noted as a hero. The author should realize that he is the only personality an Indian whose mention and photo is in NASA office. there has to be some research done in this case as the next generation will read about this person. There school books show he was a hero and your page shows he was a big villain. You have not mentioned his achievements clearly where as you have only mentioned his bad deeds. I request humbly please update correct information about this great man.He never abducted children, please provide the proof of him doing this and also update his great words said. I am a regular reader of your articles and I was really upset reading this article of Tipu. Please get the proper information. Some people are trying to malign his image based on communal grounds but it looks like wikipedia is supporting them on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.28.149.29 (talk) 12:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Incorrect Year

The year of his coronation and the commencement of his reign should, I assume, be 1782, not 1750. 114.143.116.46 (talk) 11:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

French Training

Kansas Bear, your reference states a connection between Mysore and the French Military (including military training), however nowhere does it say the entire military of Tipu Sultan was trained by the French. Do you have a reference for that? Don't you think that is like saying Mysore trained the British army because the British took rocket technology and techniques from Tipu? Xtremedood (talk) 02:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

If I were you, I'd watch your tone. You've already been blocked for edit warring and as I have told Ghatus, editors that are here with an agenda eventually end up blocked or banned.

"In alliance with the French in their struggle with the British, and in Mysore's struggles with other surrounding powers, both Tipu and his father used their French trained army..."

• "During the seventeenth century, the czars hired West European officers for training and commanding the Western-style infantry units equipped with firearms. In 1750, Dupleix deputed some French officers to Haidars Ali's force. In 1770, a French officer named Stenet, who had served in the Siege of Trinchinopolly, became chief of Haidar's artillery.{...] In 1761, with the aid of European-trained artillery..."
• A Comprehensive History of India, Volume 3, page 56, "He[Hyder Ali] recognised the superiority of western military techniques and, with the help of the French, trained his army on western lines."
• All The King's Men: The British Soldier from the Restoration to Waterloo, Saul David, "Wellesley was astonished to see 2,000 of Tipu's French- trained infantry advancing in column on the 33rd 'with the utmost steadiness...".[1]
• 500 Great Military Leaders, Spencer Tucker, page 751, "He received military training from the French, who were then supplying and training the Mysore Army."
• The Decline and Fall of the British Empire, 1781-1997, Piers Brendon, page 44, "His French-trained army was in some respects superior to that of the British. Tipu's artillery was both larger and...."
• The State at War in South Asia, Pradeep Barua, page 86, "Tippu's infantry were trained along European lines, mainly by the French..."

Check out books.google.com, you might find something! --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

My tone is fine.

"In alliance with the French in their struggle with the British, and in Mysore's struggles with other surrounding powers, both Tipu and his father used their French trained army..."<--- This is taken from the Wikipedia article.

"During the seventeenth century, the czars hired West European officers for training and commanding the Western-style infantry units equipped with firearms. In 1750, Dupleix deputed some French officers to Haidars Ali's force. In 1770, a French officer named Stenet, who had served in the Siege of Trinchinopolly, became chief of Haidar's artillery.{...] In 1761, with the aid of European-trained artillery..." <---This is not referring to the training of the whole army of Mysore. It is simply stating that a French officer named Stenet become chief of Haidar's artillery. No where is training mentioned. Also, Haider Ali and Tipu Sultan are different people.

"A Comprehensive History of India, Volume 3, page 56, "He[Hyder Ali] recognised the superiority of western military techniques and, with the help of the French, trained his army on western lines." <--- So this source states that atleast 2,000 of Tipu's soldiers were French trained. Nowhere does it state the entire military.

"He[Hyder Ali] recognised the superiority of western military techniques and, with the help of the French, trained his army on western lines"<---This was the army of Haider Ali, not Tipu Sultan. Also, Sterling Publishers Private Limited is in my view not a great publisher. Your initial source (Published by Routledge and on page 77) [2] goes more into detail pertaining to the French connection to Tipu's army. No where does it state the entire Army of Tipu Sultan was French trained.

The last three sources are also general and do not go into detail. Under Tipu Sultan, new and unique (non-European) styles of military warfare were introduced, including Mysorean metallic-rocket warfare. Tipu Sultan himself wrote the manual Fathul Mujahidin, which detailed how to utilize this. From the article it states: "Tipu Sultan's father had expanded on Mysore's use of rocketry, making critical innovations in the rockets themselves and the military logistics of their use. He deployed as many as 1,200 specialised troops in his army to operate rocket launchers. These men were skilled in operating the weapons and were trained to launch their rockets at an angle calculated from the diameter of the cylinder and the distance to the target." Did the French have any role in the usage of rocket artillery and did the French train these specialized troops? I do not think so, as it was Tipu Sultan himself that was the first in recorded history to use these types of rockets (even before the French). The British later copied Tipu's design. Therefore we can see that the French may have trained parts of Tipu Sultan's infantry, but they did not train the whole army. The also strongly doubt the French had any part or any significant part to play in Tipu Sultan's cavalry, elephants, etc. Xtremedood (talk) 06:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Clearly, after the presenting sources showing French trained army, you just don't like the fact that the Mysore army was French trained. Your continued weaseling in the word "whole", which does not appear in the sentence shows why you are ignoring reliable sources and what they state. I am not required to find your weasel word "whole", since the word "whole" does not appear in the sentence:

"In alliance with the French in their struggle with the British, and in Mysore's struggles with other surrounding powers, both Tipu and his father used their French trained army."

I don't see the word "whole" anywhere, which is your invention, therefore any reliable source that states, "French trained army" can and will be used. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I recommend you go read page 77 of your source (that you referenced) on the article [3]. It goes into detail about the French influence in the Mysorean military. The army is a complex structure. The army consists of various segments. From what I see according to the more detailed sources that I've seen, the French played a role in regards to the infantry. However I do not see the French training the whole army, such as the Mysorean Rocket division, the cavalry, the elephants, etc. There are various divisions within an army. Those sources that say the French trained the army (taken as the entire army), should therefore be considered as too general. I do not see any proof that the French trained the whole Mysore army. As I have stated previously, do you have any proof the French trained the Mysore Rocket division? Do you have proof that they trained the cavalry? Do you have proof that they trained the elephants? Do you have proof that they trained the entire Mysore army? Also, Tipu Sultan's training of his army should not be neglected. He wrote the Fathul Mujahid, which is an important rocket manual. Tipu pioneered military Rocket technology and techniques pertaining to the usage of Rockets in the military (before France or Britain). I do not think his accomplishments, the indigenous training methods of his army, and other aspects of his military should be brushed over by all-encompassing and general terminology such as 'the French trained his entire army.' Xtremedood (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I recommend you go read the sources I have posted. You continue to repeat the same tired phrase, I do not see the French training the whole army..., which does not appear in the sentence in question. The sentence is properly sourced;

"''During the seventeenth century, the "czars" hired West European officers for training and commanding the Western-style infantry units equipped with firearms. In 1750, Dupleix deputed some French officers to Haidars Ali's force. In 1770, a French officer named Stenet, who had served in the Siege of Trinchinopolly, became chief of Haidar's artillery.{...] In 1761, with the aid of European-trained artillery..."

Since you are having problems understanding English, what is the topic of the paragraph according to the first sentence? Answer:Czars were hiring West European officers to train in Western style infantry units equipped with firearms.

The next sentence clearly indicates that Dupleix deputed French officers to Haidars force, therefore they were training as pertaining to the previous sentence. Along with the next sentence making a French officer chief of artillery.

Regardless of all this, there are other sources, that clearly state French trained army, so continue to bring up everything that is not in the sentence("whole army", rockets, elephants, etc.), since that is all you have. Since clearly you did not state this in your edit summary, simply stating, "Did not find reference stating his army was French trained". Odd how you have expanded to include more. Nothing like moving the goalposts. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I have an issue with both Tipu and his father used their French trained army as stated in this article. This statement implies that the entire army of Mysore was French trained. According to this source [4] the usage of rockets in the military reemerged under Tipu Sultan and its usage should not be given credit to the French, since the French did not teach Mysore how to use them, nor do I see any evidence that the French trained Mysore's rocket division. This source also makes note of indigenous rocket forces that were trained by Mysore, not the French. Mysore also introduced a type of rocket that was not used previously and was metallic, rather than made of Bamboo (like Chinese rockets).

"After having fallen into disuse with the invention and improvement of cannon, rockets reemerged in the Mysore of Hyder and Tipu in the second half of the 18th century."[5]

Also, your personal attacks towards me are a hindrance to effective discourse on the matter. Xtremedood (talk) 05:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Clearly the French should not get credit for training Mysore's rocket division. They may get credit for training portions of the infantry. Xtremedood (talk) 05:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

"your personal attacks towards me are a hindrance to effective discourse on the matter"

Compared to you consistently ignoring what sources state? Compared to you consistently adding your opinion into a sentence(rockets, elephants, "whole army")? This is what has been a hindrance to effective discourse on the matter. Considering you have ignored what the source(s), in question, state, I could only assume you were having issues with English. --Kansas Bear (talk) 11:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

How is stating the various segments of an army, an opinion? Also, I am not ignoring the sources. My statements are clear. I believe that the sources that refer to the French training the army as a whole are taking for granted the concept of an “army” and I believe that the more detailed sources referenced state that segments of Mysore’s infantry (not entire army) that received French training. What I suggest is a closer examination of the training at hand. Perhaps a separate section within the article that goes into detail about the French training. Once again, it is important not to ignore the sources that claim that the Mysorean rockets and the techniques involved with its utilization were indigenous, not French. Xtremedood (talk) 03:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Once again, you are the only one equating that sentence with "rockets". If anything, since your are so concerned with rockets, why have you not added that information to the lead? Perhaps something similarly mentioned in the Hyder Ali article. Clearly this would differentiate from what Tipu and his father achieved with rockets and the assistance the French gave them. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Sultanat-e-Khudadad of Mysore

Anwar Haroon, a prominent author regarding the history of Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan mentions that Mysore was known as the Sultanat-e-Khudadad.--Bonaparte2015 (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2015

ABRAR SAHEB (talk) 16:12, 7 November 2015 (UTC) Hi iam ABRAR SAHEB Please help me to change and update date of birth of great king on mysore TIPPU SULTAN

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date of birth of Tippu sultan the ruler of Mysore in google it is been uploaded as 20th November 1970 were as the correct date of birth is 10th November 1970 which is recorded in book of famous and great historian of Karnataka professor B sheikh ali whose bio data is been attached for reference and same date of birth is recorded by government of karnataka takin reference of book written on tippu sultan by professor B sheik ali and Karnataka government has announced 10th november as tippu sultan birthday and also ordered govenment institutions to celebrate 10th November as Tippu sultan birth anniversary please change the date of birth of great ruller TIPPU SULTAN thanks and regards ABRAR SAHEB <redacted> Prof. B. Sheik Ali A Legend Historian BIODATA I. Academic Distinctions: 1. B.A. (Hons.) of Mysore University, I Rank, Gold Medalist, 1945. 2. MA. II Rank, Mysore University, 1946. 3. Ph.D., Aligarh Muslim University, 1954. 4. Ph.D., London University, 1960. 5. General President, Indian History Congress, 47th session, 1986. 6. President, Indian History Section, XXVIII International Congress of Orientalists, Canberra, Australia, 1971. 7. Founder President of Karnataka History Conference. 8. President, South India History Congress, 1985. 9. Delegate to the International Seminar at Ankara, Turkey, 1982. 10. Delegate to the International Seminar at Sofia, Bulgaria, 1986. 11. Delegate to the International Seminar, Moscow, Soviet Union, 1989. 12. Delegate to the International Seminar at Ras-al-Khairna, UAE, 1990. 13. Invited as Consultant to set up Indian Studies Departments and to teach at the University of Georgia, U.S.A. 1976-7. 14. Author of over 100 papers and 40 books. II. Awards Conferred: 1. Golden Jubilee Award of Mysore University for research in Humanities and Social Sciences. 2. Rajyotsava award of Karnataka State as Distinguished Educationist. 3. Mythic Society of India Award as Distinguished Historian. 4. Maulana Jauhar Award, 2003. 5. Sir Syed Award by American Federation of Muslims of Indian Origin (AFMI) -2004. 6. Canara Bank Award. 7. D.Litt. (Han. Causu) Kannada University, Hampi, 1998. 8. D.Litt. (Hon. Cause) Karnataka State Open University, Mysore. 9. D.Litt. (Han. Causa) Tumkur University, Tumkur. 10. D.Litt. (Han. Causa) University of Mysore, Mysore. 11. Government of Karnataka Award for Social Service. 12. Al-Ameen All-India Community Leadership Award, 2008. III. Membership of Prestigious Bodies: 1. Member, South and West Asian Regional Branch of the International Council of Archives, New Delhi. 2. Member of the Review Commission of the Karnataka Universities, Bangalore (1992-1994). 3. Member, Indian Historical Records Commission, New Delhi. 4. Member, All India Educational Movement, New Delhi. 5. President of the Cell to draft a project for a new University for the Muslim, New Delhi. 6. Former Member, Dr. Zakir Hussain Memorial Trust, New Delhi. (Prime Minister of India is its Chairman). 7. Member of the Value-Orientation of Education Committee, Planning Commission, New Delhi. 8. Founder Vice-Chancellor of two new Universities, Mangalore and Goa. IV. Visits Abroad : Great Britain, France, Germany, Switzerland, Portugal, Soviet Union, United States of America, Canada, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Australia, Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore. V. Social and Educational Activities : • As the Founder President of Sultan Shaheed Educational Trust, Mysore, established the following institutions and managing them now. a) Deeniyat Madrasa : Ghousianagar, Mysore. b) Belagodu Abdul Sattar Nursery School: Ghousianagar, Mysore. c) Sultan Shaheed Lower Primary School: Urdu Medium, Ghousianagar, Mysore d) Sultan Shaheed Higher Primary School: English Medium, Ghousianagar, Mysore. e) Sultan Shaheed Women's Tailoring Centre: Ghousianagar, Mysore. f) Sultan Shaheed Women's Craft Centre: Ghousianagar, Mysore. g) Sultan Shaheed Clinic for Women and Children (Charitable): Ghousianagar, Mysore. h) Azad National Nursery School: Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. i) Azad National Lower Primary School: (Kannada Medium), Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. j) Maulana Azad Girls High School: (English Medium), Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. k) Maulana Azad B.Ed., College: Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. l) Maulana Azad D.Ed., College: Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. m) Maulana Azad AFMI PUC College: Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. n) Maulana Azad Hostel for Girls: Radhakrishna Nagar, Mysore. o) School for Challenged Children: Ghousianagar Mysore. • President of Mountain View chain of institutions in Chikmangalur, Karnataka, where in a sprawling campus of 35 acres of land classes run from Nursery to Degree level with 2500 children with facilities of Hostel both for boys and girls. • As the President of Muslim Education Society in Mysore, established a dozen Nursery and Primary Schools which have now been upgraded to First grade College level. • As President of Central Muslim Welfare Council, Mysore, instituted Micro-Finance Credit Scheme benefiting hundreds of poor Muslim women and their families, together with coaching classes both for High School and PUC classes. • Editor-in-Chief of Premier Urdu print media of Karnataka, Daily SALAR and Weekly SALAR. • As the President of the New Muslim Hostel Mysore, completed the following projects: a. Utility Block b. Dormitory Block c. Prayer Hall d. Commercial Complex, 1st Main, Saraswathipura, Mysore, facing western side. e. Another Commercial Complex on the same road facing eastern side. VI. Publications : Authored the following Books: 1) A Leader Reassessed, Life and work of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: Mysore, 1999. 2) Abul Kalam Azad, Vision and Action: Hyderabad, 2008. 3) Tipu Sultan, a Study in Diplomacy and Confrontation: Rao and Raghavan, Mysore, 1982. 4) Tipu Sultan: National Book Trust of India, New Delhi, 1972. 5) Tipu Sultan, a Great Martyr: Bangalore University, 1993 (Edited). 6) British Relations with Hyder Ali: Rao and Raghavan, Mysore, 1963. 7) Dr. Zakir Hussain, Life & Times, a Comprehensive Biography: Vikas, New Delhi, 1991. 8) Education and National Development: Translation of Dr. Zakir Hussain's Talimi-Quthbat: New Delhi, 1993. 9) A Great Teacher: Life & Work of Dr: Zakir Hussain: Prasaranga, Mysore, 1997. 10) Makers of Indian Literature series, Dr. Zakir Hussain: (Co-author with Khursheed Alam Khan), Sahitya Akademi, New Delhi, 1991. 11) History: Its Theory and Method: Macmillan Company of India, 1978. 12) Islam, A study in Cultural Orientation: Macmillan Company of India, New Delhi, 1982. 13) Essence of Islam: Mysore, 2004. 14) Comprehensive History of Karnataka: Vol. IV & V Hampi, 1998. 15) Gangas of Talkad: Volume under History of Karnataka, Prasaranga, University of Mysore, Mysore, 1975. 16) The Hoysala Dynasty (Edited): Prasaranga, University of Mysore. 17) A Short History of World Civilization; Prasaranga, University of Mysore. 18) Essentials of Indian Culture Prasaranga University of Mysore. 19) History of Modern Asia: Mysore, 1976. 20) History of South India: Prasaranga, University of Mysore, 1977. 21) Approaches to Harmony, Mysore University, 1994 (Edited). 22) Goa Wins Freedom: Reflections and Reminiscences: Goa, Daman and Diu Silver Jubilee Celebration Volume, Edited, Goa University Publication Series, Goa University, Bambolim, Goa, 1986. 23) Javeed Nama of Allama Iqbal: (English Translation), Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2008. 24) Moulana Jalaluddin Rumi: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2008. 25) Imam Ghazali: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2009. 26) Hafiz-e-Shiraz: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2009. 27) Shaikh Sa'di: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2009. 28) Umar Farooq: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2010. 29) Moulana Altaf Hussain Hali: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2010. 30) Mirza Asadullah Khan Ghalib: Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2011. 31) History of Bahmani and Bijapuri Rulers: Mysore Book House, 2011. 32) My life, (Autobiography): Knowledge Society Publications, Mysore, 2009. Urdu Publications: 1) Hind ki Maya Naz Hastiyan: Urdu, Development Bureau, New Delhi, 1992. 2) Roshan Nuqoosh : Tamilnadu Urdu Publications, Madras, 1995. 3) Irtikh-e-Kayinath aur Insan: Urdu Development Bureau, New Delhi, 1998. 4) Alam-e-Islam-ke-Jawahar-pare: Urdu Vols. Dar-ul-Umoor, Mysore, 2004. 5) ilm-e-Tarikh kay Mukhtalif Goshe : Dar-ul-Umoor, Mysore, 2008. 6) Armughan-e-Salar : Salar Publications, Bangalore – 2008. 7) Anwar-e-Iqbal: Salar Publications, Bangalore – 2011. 8) Noor-e-Baseerath: (26 Special Numbers) (1997-2008)

The present birthdate is also sourced to a supposedly reliable and authoritative source (Mohibbul Hasan's History of Tipu Sultan). Is it possible that the discrepancy in dates is due to conversion of the recorded date (20th Dhu al-Hijjah, 1163 AH)) to the Julian rather than Gregorian calendar (which would have been about 10 days then)? Magic♪piano 16:45, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I collapse the massive wall of text and changed the answered parameter of this request to yes as it has been answered. --Stabila711 (talk) 17:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015

ABRAR SAHEB (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2015 (UTC) hi iam abrar saheb their is wrong update on birth date of tippu sultan king of mysore real date of birth is 10th november 1750 which is recorded in book of great historian professor B sheik ali and same is been accepted and ordered by karnataka government as tippu sultan birth aniverssary as on 10th november please edit change this information

but karnataka govenment has ordered its king birth anniversary on 10th November dont you belive we should also accept same and change this tippu sultan was king of mysore which is now karnataka

what more reliable should we need then karnataka government in this matter please do need full in this matter

Please confine your responses to your initial request. See HELP:Using talk pages. Governments have been known to issue incorrect information, and (as I said above) neither date is obviously wrong without clarification. Magic♪piano 16:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)