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Ad verbatim Liveblog

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I have no beef against Al Jazeera but editors really should start exercising due diligence and stop treating this article as an ad verbatim dumping ground for the latest from their liveblog, especially if we have contradictory reports of 2, 5 and 7 rockets being launched by Hezbollahin one day without reconciling them and then make statements of them issuing warnings and bombing the same place in one paragraph, much more the tendency of some editors to WP:QUOTEFARM. At the rate this article might be filled up with bugs by the end of the month without a breakthrough event. Borgenland (talk) 15:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Article seems to be covering things in far too much detail, content added every day that is not really relevant, even for a more detailed timeline article such as this. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 09:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal.

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I propose we split this article and reduce its size. Any event is november would be better for it. Pinging active editors for this page, @Pachu Kannan @Chomik1129 @MarkiPoli @Achmad Rachmani @Borgenland ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support it. Pachu Kannan (talk) 07:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you suggest a event to split from as well? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 07:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon is a good option, but it will be too short. Pachu Kannan (talk) 08:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't find a watershed in November for now. Borgenland (talk) 12:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is getting too big, but a lot of content could be removed, however that's a huge job and probably unnecessary. Maybe just from now on in these timeline articles don't list it in essential live blog format with every strike listed with number of casualties. This means the articles can be kept at a manageable size in 3-6 month chunks like the timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine articles. I propose a splitting date of 1 December, including all of November in this article and from December 1 creating a new article. This is arbitrary, but it looks cleaner not having a subheading of "December" and it only including some of the days of December. There doesn't seem to be any major watershed since the invasion started. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 12:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree with a arbitrary month wise splitting. Realistically, someone who is reading these timelines has not come to this page for that watershed event it started with. We do not even give much importance to the first watershed event these timelines start with. Timeline of the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) also does not mentioned it in the section headings as well. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Borgenland @Chomik1129 @Pachu Kannan Thoughts? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that today's ceasefire would be a good place to split the article, if we want to continue splitting with watershed events. Chomik! (talk?) 17:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. I'm going to do this later, as I feel this is now a relatively uncontroversial place to split it. The "conflict" is far from over, but this specific invasion hopefully is, for now, if the ceasefire holds, which so far it seems to be. There probably should still be another timeline article made, as there are still events to cover such as people returning to the south. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 03:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MarkiPoli No oppose to split it here, but doing that does not make the current article shorter, which I believe is needed. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 10:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree that 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement is a good option for splitting this article. I am not able to find another breakthrough event. Pachu Kannan (talk) 10:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Doing... Based on the rough consensus here, I'm going to split this article on November 27th. --Ahecht (TALK
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20:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done --Ahecht (TALK
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21:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]