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Nothing about the false flag snipers ?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.15.56.2 (talk) 00:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hacked phone conversation during which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis....

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... has been posted online. Should this be mentioned in this Wiki-article?

If you combine this hacked phone conversation with the senior adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin Sergey Glazyev statements in an interview of the same day they both seems part of a rather vulgar Russian PR-strategy. But stating that in any Wiki-article is of course pure WP:SYNTH. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not synth: source: "Top U.S. officials are strongly suggesting that Russia is responsible for recording and releasing the tape of a phone call between the top U.S. diplomat for Europe and the ambassador to Ukraine." - "Psaki said that a senior Russian official had been the first to tweet about the call, and that “this is something they’ve been actively promoting, posting about, tweeting about.” The official that tweeted the call was an aide to Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, the Associated Press reported. Asked if she was saying that the Russians had spied on the call, Psaki said, “Certainly if it was recorded and broadcast that would be that. It would be violating a private conversation.”" --Львівське (говорити) 22:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will create a link to Victoria_Nuland#2014_Ukraine.2FEU_conversation where this is all getting documented now. (To prevent Wikipedia:Content forking mainly.) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

15 February Kiev-residents and maidan-activists

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Lvivske, you are doing disinfo Please, someone, who is good in Russian and English do editing according to source http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2014/02/15/959175.html and http://comments.ua/life/452237-militsiya-govorit-korennih-kievlyan.htmlCathry (talk) 04:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pravada citing Interfax: "Between self-defense Square and activists "Clean Kyiv" having a fight at the barricades in the Central Department Store. As commandant of the Kiev city administration Ruslan Andrew, near the barricades were about 150 people "who are a hundred grams, 200 UAH who are trying to provoke us, going through the barricade, shouting something," the " Interfax-Ukraine ". "Mercenaries came in order to dismantle the barricade at the NOC. However, in the way they were hundreds of self defense from Miadan and MP Andrew Illyenko, Igor Kryvetskyi Edward, and Oleg Tyagnibok" - reported in press service Svoboda. According to activists, "titushky" tried to provoke a fight, but Svoboda pushed provocateurs. According to the Interior Ministry, the fight moved toward the area of ​​Bessarabia." - and then there's this from Kommentary. Can we get a third party in here to assess the sources and play arbiter? --Львівське (говорити) 05:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Lvivske, you are doing good job on handling the article and particularly this incident you interpreted with the most neutral point of view, in my opinion. "For Clean Kyiv" activists are known provocateurs, leader of which (Protsenko) was seen with the leader of "Young Regions" (youth wing of Party of Regions) when Vadym Titushko beaten up journalists on vulytsia Velyka Zhytomyrska. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It should be mentioned that today, on February 18, 2014, police along with a criminal element that supports the Party of Regions attacked the peace protesters and the faction leader of Party of Regions, Yefremov, had a nerve to accuse in that attack the opposition and the Euromaidan. There are policemen who now openly walk around downtown of Kiev with AK-47. The same policemen conduct marauding and senselessly beating up pedestrians. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a good video what was going on News of the day. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alex, can you comment? on this? Goes opposite of what you said, that rather, the 'clean city' people were attacked and did not provoke. Is this a POV push? Can the first source be trusted?--Львівське (говорити) 02:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just checked and podrobnosti is owned by Inter. DW (a good source) says this about Inter ""Inter," which belongs to an oligarch from the president's camp. Most of Ukraine's major media outlets only broadcast the government's view. TV channels like "First Channel" or "Inter" don't report that government opponents are repeatedlybeat up or that police arbitrarily arrests activists. Their news mainly consists of statements form the interior ministry which blames the demonstrators for the violence." With that said, I don't think we can use 'Podrobnotsi' as a reliable source, and its content should be removed.--Львівське (говорити) 02:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Unfortunately it is only social media photos http://postum-main.livejournal.com/462708.html, but you can see there people with batons (maidan activists) and people without any weapon (clean city activists) but with wounds.(talk)

not much to go on with just photos, lots of gaps to fill. Other photos show clean city people holding up stalin photos and wearing soviet ribbons.--Львівське (говорити) 02:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Lvivske, who are those people with wounds? There is no definite identification neither it is sure where the photos of self-defense unit members were taken. It could be set in certain way to skew a point of view. Plus the author chose not to show any victims from the other side or comment on them. It is not like self-defense unit assaults regular people. In any case, who charged the "For Clean Kyiv" activists to disassemble the barricades? How is that not a provocation? If they disagree the should have contact the headquarters of Euromaidan and tried to find a common ground, yet they chose different way. It should be noted that the leader of the association is native Odessit and he has a nerve to punk native Kyivans around. It is simply disrespectful. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Clean City people are the same paid-provocateurs who egged the US embassy. I think its transparent what they do...provoke for cash. What do you think about podrobnosti? I can only go by what DW says --Львівське (говорити) 02:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the user is a Russophone and has a certain "understanding" (so-to-speak;) about the Euromaidan. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Podrobnosti is a program of the Russophone Inter television channel owned by Dimon Firtash, a bitter nemesis of Yulia Tymoshenko. Plus, almost third of its shares are owned by the Channel One. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think such sources as pravda.com.ua should be tagged [unreliable source?] because of its pro-opposition attitudes.Cathry (talk) 03:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

please provide a tertiary source from a reliable third party proving that Pravda is a known biased source (or a conflict of interest exists, and is owned by Tymoshenko, or something) --Львівське (говорити) 03:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Lvivske. I kind of had a doubt about that guy, but now everything makes sense. He is what is known as a person morally dangerous. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This guy uses livejournal articles and tells that Ukrayinska Pravda is unreliable. Podrobnosti does publish good materials every now and then, but their attack against Tymoshenko is just off charts. After that I lost trust in that media. I liked their material on Zhukov and the Operation "Snezhok", but now I have doubt in it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I heard about that egg attack on US Embassy, but I thought it is silly and did not pay much attention as there were some other beside it. Why would people for clean city thrash Kyiv by attacking embassies? How does that make any sense? They should have called themselves the sons of red armymen and stopped to fool people. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did someone provide a tertiary source from a reliable third party proving that Podrobonosti is a known biased source? Or do you think that rumor here is a reliable source? Cathry (talk) 04:16, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've cited Deutsche Welle, who have you cited? --Львівське (говорити) 04:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"cited Deutsche Welle" where did you?Cathry (talk) 05:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
...scroll up --Львівське (говорити) 05:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What page should I scroll? I think your style of discussion is unacceptable Cathry (talk) 05:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Timeline of the Euromaidan

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  • From The Guardian: "Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations", The Guardian, 10 June 2013.
  • From 2014 Crimean crisis: "Ukraine's new government is not legitimate – Dmitry Medvedev | World news". theguardian.com. 2014-02-24. Retrieved 2014-03-02.
  • From Al Jazeera: Al-Jazeera's political independence questioned amid Qatar intervention, The Guardian

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

President Yanukovych did not resign.

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In the first paragraph, it is stated that President Yanukovych resigned. This is not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.129.56 (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is this its own page?

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There is already a page about Euromaidan, so I do not see the use in having the history as its own page. Alesjif (talk) 03:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because otherwise the Euromaidan article would be too long. Actually, the split up occurred as a result of a Talk page discussion on the main article. Vgbyp (talk) 09:05, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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