Talk:Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Article readability

I've changed the days from heading to bold in an attempt to try to improve the article readability. I also had lowered the headings of the months a level, but later realized that makes them not collapsible on mobile devices, so I reverted the change. Without splitting the article, the only thing left is to go day by day removing superfluous information. —AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Rightly reverted by CAPTAIN JTK, with comment: «Restored level of day-wise section headings since levelling them down greatly hinders navigation and editing». --Dan Harkless (talk) 07:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

A barracks is a building or buildings

The word “a” is always required Elinruby (talk) 06:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Cyber != Cybersecurity

On June 2 there's a line about the US Cyber Command doing "cyber" work in support of Ukraine. This just mean computer work, when in fact the work they're doing is "cybersecurity" work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:110:8068:9:7112:D4F4:7C6B:4C8C (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Death Sentences

09/06/2022 - Two British nationals and a Moroccan national that were captured in Mariupol have been sentenced to death as war criminals/mercenaries by a Russian court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit request: Add "This article may be biased towards certain viewpoints" under Multiple issues

The article has more lines about Russian advances and events that can be seen as beneficial to Russia than lines about Ukraine's advances. It's especially obvious starting around May. 49.144.204.127 (talk) 05:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2022

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#13_June the last of three bridges connecting Sievierodonetsk to the rest of Ukrainian has been destroyed.

Rest of Ukraine not Ukrainian. Hellstrom01 (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 07:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

EU

The European Union accepted "candidate" membership for Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Military Aid

The United States has sent another package worth $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2022

“ The Chief Rabbi of Moscow, Pinchas Goldschmidt, fled Russia after declining to publicly support the war in Ukraine. ” —  § 8 June

This needs to be significantly softened. The Goldschmidt article calls it an "allegation [...] rebutted by multiple sources", and the ref given here doesn't so much say that this happened, outside of the headline, but rather that there exists a tweet that says so.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Additionally, please revive this discussion in the current talk page instead of this archive. Aaron Liu (talk) 07:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

- 2A02:560:594D:C100:B9D5:C18D:78A4:790A (talk) 20:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

References

issue with issue box

This article may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view.

How can someone be a fan of the invasion?

Great Mercian (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Requesting an answer please. Great Mercian (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

NATO

NATO pledged to send more heavy artillery for the defence of Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 05:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

18/06/2022 - The head of the British Army sent a circular to all UK MoD personnel (both military and civilian) to be prepared for a possible future war in Europe. The letter specifically mentioned Russia by name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 10:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

References

June 24th

On june 24th, someone needs to specify that the city in question is Sievierodonetsk. Nicolencyclopédie (talk) 08:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Typo needs to be fixed

On June 24th when discussing a statement by the Russian ministry of defence ministry is spelt wrong.13:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

What is spelt wrong? Slatersteven (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Found it, can people please thought actually tell us what it is in future? Slatersteven (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Article Size: suggestion?

Would it be appropriate to break this down into separate articles for each month of the conflict, using this page as the main hub to get to each month? AgentMulder303 (talk) 19:03, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

There's already a discussion above on splitting, please contribute there so we don't have multiple threads on splitting. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

And what does this source show? Dawsongfg (talk) 03:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

29 June - Russian sources

Regarding capture of Lysychansk - provided sources are kinda unreliable in my opinion. As a person which knows russian language, those sites are basically "no-names" and are only reposting informations from RIA, TASS and other RF services. Not mentioning linked tweet which is clearly pro-russian. Someone should verify it, as no other pro-western or neutral source has even replied to those claims. 150.254.61.175 (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Um, BBC is a reliable source (as long as it isn't the Russian one), no? Dawsongfg (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah they should be removed for now, at least until we get an unbiased one. Dawsongfg (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Himars destroyed

Reuters haven't verified yet, but Russian brass saying they've destroyed 2 himars systems. Does anyone have a reliable source? 103.58.74.215 (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

You might've given a source right there.. Even though it's from June 27. Dawsongfg (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

We only have the ones about Russia CLAIMING to do so and Ukraine denying those claims. Dawsongfg (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion on setting a time to split the article.

This isn't a discussion to split the article now, moreover when we should split it, like setting an actual time to split this article, my reasonings for this discussion is as follows:

1. The current size of this article is 357,927 bytes, or about 350 kilobytes. In certain computers or other devices the sheer size of this article could cause one's device to crash or the page will simply not load. It shouldn't take a genius to realise that that is an inherently bad thing, especially on an article with this scale of importance. This was my primary concern when I initially proposed a split back in April.
2. In a previous discussion as to whether or not to split the article, an editor pointed out that ~1000 sources was about as much an article could handle, this article is already at nearly 600 sources.
3. This also isn't an issue of navigation, a template could be easily whipped up to allow people to access the more recent events that are on a separate page. you know kinda like those album infoboxes that have {{next_album}} or something at the bottom, but at the top of the page. I know it's hard to visualise but I'm sure it's easy to make.

Therefore, I'm proposing an August|September split and I would very much like you to consider this. I have chosen these months as they are particularly far away from now (so therefore no one can pull out the politicising card), both are border months in different seasons and September is really easy to group with October, November and so forth, even in other languages.

I would like to stress again that this is not a discussion to split the article now, rather it is to set a time where this article can be split to allow a more efficient wiki, while also making sure navigability is accounted for.

I have been calling for a split since Mid-April, it's now Mid-June, if we don't agree to something soon this article could break. so I would like you all to discuss this please, thank you

P.S. I'm sorry if my English has been hard to understand, I am a native speaker though.

Great Mercian (talk) 20:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

So are we just going to ignore this? Great Mercian (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Support: I agree a split is necessary. WP:Length#Size guideline seems to be pretty clear that an article of this size should be split. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@TulsaPoliticsFan: this isn't about splitting the article, it's instead about setting a time to split the article Great Mercian (talk) 09:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I support setting a time to split the article, because a split is necessary and size guidelines are pretty clear that it should be done for an article this size. Sorry if my first post was unclear. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

So can you suggest a exact boundary to split? Great Mercian (talk) 12:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I support the proposal to split in August. Above comment says "I'm proposing an August|September split". TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Right, sorry to ask you this but do you mind pinging some people so they can approve this? Great Mercian (talk) 13:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, this article can and should be split into one article for each month.

Ђидо (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

That's way too short. Maybe every six months? Dawsongfg (talk) 14:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Currently support the general idea but Oppose the proposed date Mid-late July would be better. Then again all somebody needs to do is just look for the day they're looking for.. It just depends on what happens. Dawsongfg (talk) 05:03, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I think each article should have 3/4 months. Miglix519 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

One article for prelude, february, march and april. One for may, june, july and august. And so on Miglix519 (talk) 02:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Mutant soldiers conspiracy theory

Are there less obscure sources mentioning this with independent analysis? If not it may be best to move it here meanwhile. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 12:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I've removed it. Are they all wearing white armor and can't ever hit what they're shooting at? Acroterion (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

There's The Daily Beast. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Unsure about this, sure it's been said, and reported on. But it really is too contemtable for words. Slatersteven (talk) 12:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

As a Russian conspiracy theory this one is also pretty stupid. Does Russia think that telling its troops that they are fighting against artificially boosted soldiers will improve their morale? Maybe this story is being spread by Russians who are secretly against the war. I guess that would be a meta conspiracy theory. John Sauter (talk) 15:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Or disinformation targetting the West? In any case, thanks for the quick response, —PaleoNeonate – 20:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Odessa

23/07/2022 - The Ukrainian port of Odessa was bombed by Russian missiles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Added. Kleinpecan (talk) 06:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2022

Please change == 23 July == in the wikitext to === 23 July ===, i.e. please add one "equals" sign to each side of the date. Now, 23 July is a separate section (9) in the article, though it should be included as a subsection, in line with the other dates. Thanks. 2A02:AB04:2C2:E300:DD55:8B41:3B9E:6531 (talk) 06:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Done. Kleinpecan (talk) 06:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Gas

11/07/2022 - Starting from 11/07/2022 and for at least the next 10 days, Russia has closed the main gas pipeline to the European Union for "annual maintenance purposes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Pls check for 2022-07-29

"Nikopol in Dnipropetrovsk region was shelled with incendiary ammunition overnight"

• https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/29-july-nikopol-in-dnipropetrovsk-region-was-shelled-with
• https://twitter.com/aghorianducalis/status/1552931335282593793

The video has reasonable time-recording, i assume it is no fake. If true the use of Incendiary ammunition in civil areas is another war-crime to note. --80.187.101.37 (talk) 13:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

We need RS (Twitter is not RS) to add this. Slatersteven (talk) 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a Russian railway echelon with more than 40 wagons

The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a Russian railway echelon with more than 40 wagons with manpower, equipment, and ammunition at the Brylivka railway station in the Kherson region on July 30. – Serhii Bratchuk, Spokesman for the Odesa Regional Military Administration Amilebo (talk) 19:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian grain

27/06/2022 - Russian forces have been detected stealing grain from Ukrainian silos in the occupied areas, transporting them to Russia on stolen Ukrainian trucks and passing it off as Russian grain.

29/07/2022 - 01/08/2022: At least one cargo ship loaded with grain is berthed at the port of Odessa awaiting clearance to be able to leave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Did anything happen on July 24th?

Great Mercian (talk) 16:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and one item is there now. But Wikipedia is restricted to using sourced and cited material, and not every notable thing that happens in war is identified to the single-particular-day organizational approach used by this list article. Sometimes, we'll have a source that only identifies a time range, such as "...when at some point in early summer, Ukrainian artillery ran completely of its old Soviet munition." N2e (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2022

Remove dot splitting the same phrase Change "The UK MoD has said that the war is going to enter a "new phase", with Russian forces moving from Crimea and other parts of Ukraine. To a front line extending from Zaporizhzhia to Kherson, along the Dnieper River." To The UK MoD has said that the war is going to enter a "new phase", with Russian forces moving from Crimea and other parts of Ukraine to a front line extending from Zaporizhzhia to Kherson, along the Dnieper River." Backup6075 (talk) 16:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• Done. Kleinpecan (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2022

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Ukraine Situation Report: Army Of North Korean ‘Volunteers’ Said To Be Ready To Help Russia!!! The last article but the link is OK who does it https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-army-of-north-korean-volunteers-reportedly-ready-to-help-russia

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Icabobin (talk) 14:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Coal

10/08/2022 - The European Union has banned the importation of Russian coal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2022

“ The Chief Rabbi of Moscow, Pinchas Goldschmidt, fled Russia after declining to publicly support the war in Ukraine. ” —  § 8 June

As far as I can tell from the Goldschmidt article and the various refs, the available information is way too murky to support this statement. There's consensus that Goldschmidt left Russia at some point, and that he's been voicing criticism at some point. But as for how those things relate to each other, there's just a bunch of claims and counterclaims and no-comments.

I can't really think of a way to salvage the statement. At one extreme, the easiest solution would be to make it "may have fled", but that's about as unencyclopedic as one can get. At the other extreme, one could plug in the pertinent part of the Goldschmidt article in full - but considering that the linkage to the subject of this article may actually be marginal to none, that rather loses the thread.

Maybe best to just take it out altogether, for the time being?

- 2A02:560:598F:1500:28BB:1BDA:7CA:E1DC (talk) 18:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the referenced tweet in the article, the sentence is true and these events correlate. Nice formatting by the way. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Diplomatic Context

Sorry, I don't know how editing works with semi-protected pages, but I think it would be helpful to add the diplomatic context to the outset.

08/02/2022 - French President Emmanuel Macron announced that Putin had assured him that he would not escalate the situation in Ukraine. (https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-russia-diplomacy-emmanuel-macron-europe-9dd7eb560d26a81306604dcb1c81bddb) 18/02/2022 - US President Joe Biden told reporters at the White House that he was convinced the Putin had decided to invade Ukraine. (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/biden-ukraine-russia-invasion-intelligence/) 20/02/2022 - Russian Ambassador to the US Anatoly Antonov claimed on US television, "There is no invasion and there is [sic] no such plans... We don't threaten anyone." (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ambassador-anatoly-antonov-no-such-plans-invasion-face-the-nation/). SamuelDrury (talk) 14:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Re the warnings on this article

An answer to these problems - arriving on this page I expected to see a chronology - that's a good idea - but it needs to have single line summaries I think, not detail. Citations are there for a purpose and a reader can go to those. Many of the events have their own articles, as I am finding, some titled after place names. This page could be a central index - it's already doing that but a decision needs to be arrived at about a better format. I've just made a link to it from the main article. Or what I think of as the main article.. Thelisteninghand (talk) 22:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Nuclear power plant, U.S. President Biden spoke on the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on the 25th. The two leaders called on Russia to return control of the Russian-occupied Zaporozhye nuclear power plant to Ukraine and accept the dispatch of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) investigation mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irpower (talk • contribs) 12:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

To boldly split infinitives where no infinitives have been split before.

Noob user here. A certain editor of this page (no names mentioned, I appreciate the effort taken to add content, regardless) has an annoying habit of splitting infinitives when starting sentences. There are also many grammatical manglings unmeritoriously meandering across the page. I can't edit the page, since it's protected for good reason. What to do? AbominableIntelligence (talk) 15:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

• AbominableIntelligence, you can make an edit requests on this talk page. Kleinpecan (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Kleinpecan. It seems, however, that others have the situation well in hand, and my thanks go out to them as well. AbominableIntelligence (talk) 04:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

The gif that doesn't keep on giffing

Looking at the details page for the main timeline map animation, there is some sort of technical hurdle for the size of animated previews. On my mobile device, the image does not animate at all and only ever shows one frame - the state of affairs (as it were) on the outbreak of the invasion - it's not informative at all. May I propose that we put it on a serious diet so that only the most salient changes are reflected? I am also of the opinion that only a broad outline of the territorial situation at each point is necessary and that finer detail is superfluous. Alternatively, perhaps the last (most current) frame could be placed as the first frame, so that if only one frame is displayed, it shows the current situation. AbominableIntelligence (talk) 04:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Conventional vs Attrition warfare

This wiki entry has mainly focused on Conventional warfare however on the 3rd September there is a paragraph dedicated to Attrition/Economic warfare between Russia and NATO countries. Given the stage of events, should the entry expand to document economic conflict or should we stick to just conventional conflict? 84.71.143.172 (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

8 September

What happened on the 8th of September? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

• 195.244.210.117, the Queen died, among some other things — AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

  Which took everything out of a lot of news papers. Slatersteven (talk) 12:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Events from September 15

Did anything happen? Great Mercian (talk) 23:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Weekly version

Is there a weekly version of the animation? I think the animation should be replaced by a weekly one instead of a daily one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.128.96 (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

no. besides that would make things harder. Great Mercian (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you please explain why it would make things harder? The gif is morbidly obese as it is and doesn't load on my android device regardless of the browser I use,and I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one. Accessibility to the information contained in the image should be considered and not be a privilege due only to desktop users. AbominableIntelligence (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Russian-backed separatists in Luhansk province said that an oil terminal in the town of Rovenky was hit by a Ukrainian missile

One source copied. Has it been supported? Who are the 'Russian-backed separatists in Luhansk province' exactly? Xx236 (talk) 12:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Literally the same words in other agencies. Strange. Xx236 (talk) 12:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Well given that there are Russian-backed separatists in Luhansk, its hardly a surprise lots of sources would call them that. Slatersteven (talk) 12:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

With literally the same words?Xx236 (talk) 12:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Olaf Scholz said, not Putin apparently

At the 14 September 2022 part, it states: "Putin told German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that he did not believe that the invasion of Ukraine was a mistake. [needs context]." Look up at many sources and you'll see it appears he didn't but Olaf did. So it's not the same as saying Putin said it, even though Olaf saw it pretty much seemed that Putin didn't see invading Ukraine as a mistake. Therefore it's accurate to say Olaf said, hope that makes sense.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/14/scholz-putin-does-not-believe-he-made-a-mistake-invading-ukraine

Vladimir Putin seems to believe he did not commit a mistake by launching an invasion of Ukraine, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Wednesday after a 90-minute-long telephone call with the Russian president. “Sadly, I cannot tell you that the impression has grown that it was a mistake to begin this war,” Scholz told journalists a day after his exchange with Putin."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62907923 Russian President Vladimir Putin does not realise the invasion of Ukraine is a mistake, German chancellor Olaf Scholz has said, after the leaders spoke on the phone on Tuesday.

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/vladimir-putin-doesnt-see-invading-ukraine-as-mistake-says-german-chancellor-olaf-scholz-article-94209051

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Wednesday said that Russian President Vladimir Putin did not think he committed a "mistake" by invading Ukraine. During a 90-minute-long phone call on Tuesday, the German Chancellor discussed the situation in Ukraine with the Russian President

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/vladimir-putin-doesnt-see-invading-ukraine-as-mistake-says-german-chancellor-olaf-scholz-article-94209051

https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-scholz-putin-believes-ukraine-invasion-correct-move/32033894.html 149.20.252.131 (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Anyone there? 2603:6011:9600:52C0:B491:C006:24EB:CD18 (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

U m ? ? ? 149.20.252.132 (talk) 12:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I've fixed it. In the future, you may use the {{Edit semi-protected}} template for a quicker response (see Wikipedia:Edit requests#Making requests). Kleinpecan (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

👍 149.20.252.132 (talk) 12:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Robert Jenrick should be more accurately described.

The entry for 21st September discussing the release of prisoners by Russia as part of a prisoner swap has a quote from Robert Jenrick who the article states is the U.K. health minister. Jenrick is a junior minister in the U.K. health department but he is not the Secretary of State, that is the principal minister responsible for health, that is currently Therese Coffey, it should state that he is a junior health minister. 2A00:23C8:905:2701:9122:5182:87D4:D1A5 (talk) 12:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks; I've fixed it. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of the timeline

Was the deleting of the timeline of the entire war except the prelude authorised a day ago? It just says split with the tag 'replaced'. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EmilePersaud 06:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud (talk • contribs)

This really seems like sabotage. I check the timeline here on this page on a very regular basis, and suddenly not only is it gone, but also finding the page is more difficult. Previously, just typing in "time" in the wikipedia searchbar this page would show up, now it seems to have been replaced with "Timeline of Russian Innovations," a recommendation that I have never seen before. I really hope that these changes are reverted, it is very upsetting and makes me question the integrity of wikipedia. 2600:1700:7F:8580:4184:7678:2EBD:DB1C (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

It has not been deleted, it has been split up, but its not been very well done. Slatersteven (talk) 10:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully it has now been health with, and it is clear how to navigate it. Slatersteven (talk) 11:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Someone also needs to delete the tags since they don't really apply anymore. 122.107.83.250 (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Seems the splitting up just for me makes it more complicated. I think it is a poorly thought out move. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EmilePersaud 15:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud (talk • contribs)

The section with the latest events should be linked on the main article

The main article 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine should link to the latest events Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine: phase 3 instead of this page. 81.225.32.185 (talk) 22:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Why? Slatersteven (talk) 11:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

IMO, splitting the article up at all just makes it harder to read and follow. But I think the main article should link to the latest phase, since that's the most relevant. 81.225.32.185 (talk) 21:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

LOL

Haha, the new October 6th update redirected the words "russian forces" to the wehrmacht article. Thanks for the laugh but this is obviously not true! Ocemccool (talk) 18:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Opinions of world leaders and other authority figures on this or that.

I noticed a recent revert of a revert (re Biden's statement about the world being closest to nuclear war in 60 years), citing an "unexplained removal". Previously I have removed a report on the Pope's opinion on arms sales to Ukraine myself.

My take is that these things do not necessarily lack notability, but aren't notable in the context of the timeline of the invasion, and am tempted to revert it once more. In particular, including Biden's statement strikes me as second-hand crystal-balling and would have no relevance on the invasion whether he said it or not.

Thoughts? AbominableIntelligence (talk) 17:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

October 7th missing from timeline

Why is October 7th not in the timeline? It goes straight to the 8th after the 6th. Dario DeCasseres (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

No one found any sources saying anything significant happened? Slatersteven (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm almost sure it was there yesterday...

Also, a photo of the Crimean Bridge Explosion was removed. Dario DeCasseres (talk) 02:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

You can use "View history" to see what was there in the past, and to see why the picture was removed: it was copyrighted. John Sauter (talk) 03:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Another proposal to split this article

The most recent discussion on splitting that I could find was in June–July, here; it seemed to have consensus to split but not much on where to split. We're now at a readable prose size of 140 kB, so I'd like to again propose splitting this page (it clearly needs to be). I think it would be best to split it the same way that 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine § Invasion and resistance is split: into two phases, 24 February – 7 April and 8 April – present (prelude/buildup would stay here). This would make for better consistency with that article, and enable the addition of section hatnotes on that page linking to the timeline pages for each section. By my quick scan, they are also at about the same size. If there is consensus on 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to add another phase, then we would likely split again (e.g., if the current Ukrainian counteroffensive was successful and considerably changed the state of the war, that would probably lead to a "third phase"). Is this proposal acceptable? If this works, what should the split articles be called (date ranges or first/second phase)? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

• Comment please nobody bring up the idea that this split might be "politically motivated", please. Great Mercian (talk) 20:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support! Perhaps this could be split into months? Sam the speed fighter (talk) 13:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC).

• Support The major phases are obvious. kencf0618 (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Size

This page is almost unmanageably long. Should we divide it into the 3 distinct phases of the war? Feb 24-april 4 (russian withdraw from north, April 5-aug 29(begin of Ukraine counter offensive) and Aug 29 to present. SubMaster06349 (talk) 17:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

@SubMaster06349, I proposed this above (see § Another proposal to split this article). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Splitting

Alright; nobody's opposed this, and it's been independently proposed in another section (§ Size above, which I've merged into this section), so I'm going to go ahead and split this when I can find time. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Also note that, because 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine now has a third phase added, this would be split into three. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:39, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I've gone and split this. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Tnen rename as well. Slatersteven (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Also the list of sub-pages need to be below the prelude section, not above it in the lede. Slatersteven (talk) 12:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Partial Mobilizations

The reason behind the mobilizations is probably because Vladimir Putin plans to mount a massive winter offensive this coming winter (just like Stalin did in WW2). Is there any information available that can verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably not, unless we get some notable coverage or until it happens, we have no clue. Ocemccool (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

We are not mind readers. kencf0618 (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

All Quiet on the Western Front

Something notable doesn't occur each and every day. This is a matter of scale –"Im Westen nichts Neues" (literally "All quiet in the West") in the official communiques is factual given their granularity and focus. Too, the tempo of operations slows down, there's regrouping and the like, and some events only become the precursors of monumental events in retrospect. If you want to fill in a day, google it. It's not rocket science. As for the death of Queen Elizabeth II, there are tons of specialist media which carry on. https://smallwarsjournal.com, https://the-american-catholic.com/2022/09/09/ukraine-war-analysis-september-8-2022/, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/8/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-197, etc. Get some. kencf0618 (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Al Mayadeen

Currently the October 10 section uses Al Mayadeen English as a source. However, that outlet has a strong pro-Russian slant and has previously parroted anti-Ukrainian propaganda from the Kremlin. Should we allow sources like that on this page?

Al-Mayadeen also (in the wake of the Mahsa Amini protests) ran an editorial calling the hijab a “working-class symbol against imperialism”, so it definitely seems to have an anti-Western and “Islamo-leftist” bias that colors everything it puts out. That’s why I think maybe it shouldn’t be allowed as a source on Wikipedia at all. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:3C07 (talk) 20:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Deciding whether or not a particular source is reliable is a judgement call. In this case, since the report is about an official statement by the government of Belarus, and there is a second reference which confirms the report, I am willing to regard Al-Mayadeen as a reliable source. John Sauter (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Al Mayadeen isn't The Daily Mail, and an editorial stance is also a given fact. Standard Wikipedia procedures apply. kencf0618 (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

War Crimes

How about creating a Wikipage dealing specifically with Russian War Crimes in the Ukraine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Locking

Unsure about the locking of the page as some of the main contributors have less than 500 edits Huumas (talk) 08:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Locking a page is always regrettable, but it is sometimes necessary when the topic is very important (as in "life or death") to some. If anybody who wants to post cannot, place your material on this Talk page. I will verify it and post it, unless another editor beats me to it. John Sauter (talk) 18:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Editor mistake - referenced article says the opposite than the latest paragraph "5 November"

change:

5 November

President Putin has signed a decree that allows people convicted of serious crimes to be mobilised into the Russian army. The exemption does not include people convicted of sex crimes involving minors and crimes against the state such as treason, spying or terrorism. This could allow "hundreds of thousands" of people to be mobilised.

to:

5 November

President Putin has signed a decree that allows people convicted of serious crimes to be mobilised into the Russian army. An exemption includes people convicted of sex crimes involving minors and crimes against the state such as treason, spying or terrorism.

reason:

The referenced article says the opposite of what is written the paragraph. 2A02:A469:2B59:1:7B48:D4DA:FF3C:A31B (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 clarified instead: In the article and the reference "exempt" means exempt from the new decree. That is, people convicted of sex crimes involving minors and crimes against the state still cannot be mobilised. Thus, the original language is correct, though it could perhaps be clearer. 22:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the language, in an attempt to make clear who can and who cannot be mobilised. 23:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Rumors about river crossing on the 15th

There are rumors that ukrainian units have crossed the river and captured the Kinburn Peninsula. I can find several rumors of it on youtube, but no news yet. GMRE (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

We need sources. Slatersteven (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I know. I tried to add it with the 1 non-youtube source I found, but it turned out to be a "blacklisted" site. Maybe someone else has seen a better source for it? GMRE (talk) 21:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2022

"Russian missiles crossed over Polish borders and struck the village of Przewodów, killing two civilians. Top leaders in Poland held an emergency meeting." I am requesting that this is removed or reworded as this has not been confirmed by any government official or body other than Ukraine. This is very misleading. The media has said it's a Russian Missle but with no proof. MaxiKitty (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The story has been reworded, though not entirely my me. John Sauter (talk) 23:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2022 (2)

In the November 11 section of the article, link "entered the city" to Liberation of Kherson. Presidentofyes12 (talk) 23:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The linkage is in place. It will have to be changed if the name of the article is changed, as per its ongoing discussion. John Sauter (talk) 23:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

is live UA map considered a reliable source?

Apparently Russia occupied Kurdiumivka south to Bakhmut according to LiveUAmap and I don't think this is mentioned here. Assuming it is reliable, I think it should be added? Genabab (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, the live UA map is not a reliable source. If it refers to reliable sources for its information we can use those references, but without a reference any "fact" in the map cannot be relied upon. John Sauter (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Casualties

Timeline shows UA casualties have been redacted. The source of the number is US Army Gen. Mark Milley, who stated both sides of the conflict had 100k casualties. Perhaps this article could link to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Casualties 73.90.71.120 (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 December 2022

The wording at the section for 5th December is difficult to read. Requesting "After explosions were reported at two Russian airbases." Be changed to "Explosions were reported at two Russian airbases."

and "While another blast, airbase near Ryazan," Be changed to "Another blast, at an airbase near Ryazan," Melty (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I have made these and other changes to this section to improve readability and increase accuracy as the story develops. John Sauter (talk) 16:57, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Attributing military operations

We should not state that a military operation was conducted by Ukraine unless this is stated in the reference. An explosion at a Russian air base, for example, might have been caused by Russians who oppose the war. John Sauter (talk) 17:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree, unless they officially claim it ofc rouse. Slatersteven (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Contents

Would it be possible to have the Contents section containing the dates arranged in rows instead of a single column? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I have converted the table of contents to the navbar format. See if that looks better. John Sauter (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2022

The December 10th section requires some slight expansion. The information there about strikes on Melitopol are sourced to a CNN article, which also reports about apparent explosions in Crimea. These events need to be mentioned as well.Javierbrugue (talk) 15:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC) Javierbrugue (talk) 15:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I have added the information about the explosions to the story. John Sauter (talk) 21:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

21 December 2022 speech to US Congress

I have made a page about Zelenskyy’s speech to United States Congress on Wikisource with the digitisation/transcript of the speech at Address by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy to the US Congress, 21 December 2022. I think a note or some kind of link or reference to the article would be useful to be added to the section for 21 December. 23.16.14.141 (talk) 06:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

While this transcript is interesting, I do not think a reference to it belongs in this article, since Wikisource is not a reliable source. If a reliable source were to publish the transcript, that would be different. Also, if a reliable source publishes the video of the speech the article could link to that. John Sauter (talk) 15:17, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Missile strikes

Do we need individual paragraphs for every single missile strike that happens? it's sort of bloating the page with the same "Russia launched missiles at Ukraine" "Ukraine claimed to have shot down 40 of 60 Russian missiles fired at Kyiv". at some point it's going to become too much, I'd argue about 50% of this page is missile strikes. Great Mercian (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Please revert this edit as it removes some important links. -184.56.75.144 (talk) 06:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

No. Great Mercian (talk) 12:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I was unable to identify precisely what edit is being requested. Please describe the links and say why they are important. John Sauter (talk) 15:42, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Lasers

There is no mention of the United States supplying Ukraine with MTHELs (Mobile Tactical High Energy Lasers) which are more effective than Patriots in order to shoot down Russian missiles, or is this being kept secret? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 10:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, the deployment and use of such a weapon could not be kept secret, so it is probably not being provided. John Sauter (talk) 03:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

10 January

From the article about steel production: "KYIV, Jan 10 (Reuters) - Ukraine's steel production fell by 70.7% in 2022 to 6.26 million tonnes because of Russia's invasion and the destruction of leading steel plants, the steel producers union said on Tuesday.' " I believe that this talking about a year long drop, it isn't specific to 10th January, the article just happened to be released on that day and so should be removed. It would be better suited on the main page. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EmilePersaud 13:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud (talk • contribs)

My mistake, I accidently posted this on the wrong page. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EmilePersaud 14:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud (talk • contribs)

10 January

From the Reuters article regarding the 70% drop in steel production:

'KYIV, Jan 10 (Reuters) - Ukraine's steel production fell by 70.7% in 2022 to 6.26 million tonnes because of Russia's invasion and the destruction of leading steel plants, the steel producers union said on Tuesday.'

This is talking about a year long drop in steel and the article was released on 10 January, therefore it isn't specific to that date. The steel didn't drop 70% in one day, therefore I believe this should be removed. It would be better suited as an impact topic on the main page. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EmilePersaud 14:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud (talk • contribs)

What is the purpose of this page?

The current page has only two sentences of readable prose which state as follows "On 24 February 2022, Russia launched a military invasion of Ukraine in a steep escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War. The campaign had been preceded by a Russian military buildup since early 2021 and numerous Russian demands for security measures and legal prohibitions against Ukraine joining NATO." - This isn't really much of a timeline. What is this article seeking to achieve? Tracland (talk) 08:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

This page is primarily a gateway to the three timeline pages. It originally contained the full timeline, but was broken into three parts when it became very long. John Sauter (talk) 13:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it probably needs more detail in it in order to constitute an encyclopaedic article. Otherwise it’s effectively just a disambiguation page. Even if just a couple of paras on each stage with a hat note link to the main article. At the moment this doesn’t feel like an article itself. Tracland (talk) 13:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to update the article. If you do not have the necessary privileges, put your recommended changes on this Talk page and I will move them to the article page, unless someone beats me to it. John Sauter (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, if I find time I might give it a go. Tracland (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Soledar

I think Wagner claims of controlling all of Soledar, and the UK's statement that most of Soledar is under Russia is worth including. Genabab (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Please specify what text you would like to see, and where, with references to reliable sources. John Sauter (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

13-Jan: Russian claims of controlling Soledar: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64263119

10-Jan: UK says most of Soledar under Russian control, Wagner claims all: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/10/head-of-wagner-group-says-his-troops-have-taken-control-of-soledar

I think these are pretty significant and should be added. Genabab (talk) 17:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I have added these two items to the timeline. John Sauter (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

ty! Genabab (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Record grammatical errors here for later fixing

Section:December 14 Plural uses "are" Shahed drones PioneeringJäger (talk) 11:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Corrected; thank you. John Sauter (talk) 15:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Here. Stage3: 14 December Three explosions are said to be heard in the centre of the capital city Kyiv, as Ukraine Mayor Vitali Klitschko has claimed that they have taken down 10 Iranian Shahed drones. PioneeringJäger (talk) 11:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Corrected as part of a larger rewrite; thank you. John Sauter (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

January 11: Small typo, the brand of the trucks is "Kamaz" not "Kazam". "This soldier further told the wife that he drove "12 Kazam trucks" filled with bodies." — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladPomar (talk • contribs) 04:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. John Sauter (talk) 05:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

January 19: Unclear if Germany is refusing unless the US refuses, or unless the US sends tanks. Would change to "Germany refused to export Leopard tanks to Ukraine, unless the United States sends their own tanks." Avigl (talk) 16:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I have reworded the story along these lines, and also included the ban on exporting these tanks from other countries. John Sauter (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Crash

Will the incident of the helicopter crash on 18/01/2023 where a Ukrainian Government minister was killed be included in the timeline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Possibly Great Mercian (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

If you feel it should be included you can add the information yourself, or, if you do not have the necessary privileges, place the information on this Talk page, including a reference to a reliable source, and I will move it to the article page, unless someone beats me to it. John Sauter (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

How has there been no news whatsoever in over a week? Sslaptnhablhat (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Editors have been placing new information in the phase 3 page. John Sauter (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Content Additions since January 16th, 2023

Where have additions to the timeline been moved since 2023-01-16?

Is there a lack interest? The final few addtions are a few words each... 149.10.151.92 (talk) 20:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

It appears that editors are extending the phase 3 page rather than the phase 4 page. If a consensus decides to keep the phase 4 page, the recent information in the phase 3 page will be moved there. John Sauter (talk) 21:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

thanks 149.10.151.92 (talk) 22:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Sources and Suggestions

Where have additions to the timeline been moved since 2023-01-16?

UKRAINE Timelines

according to CNN

day-326 16-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-16-23/index.html

day-327 17-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-17-23/index.html

day-328 18-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-18-23/index.html

day-329 19-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-19-23/index.html

day-330 20-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-20-23/index.html

day-331 21-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-21-23-intl/index.html

day-332 22-Jan: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-22-23-intl/index.html

according to FORBES

day-327 17-Jan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2023/01/17/tuesday-january-17-russias-war-on-ukraine-daily-news-and-information-from-ukraine/

day-329 19-Jan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2023/01/19/thursday-january-19-russias-war-on-ukraine-daily-news-and-information-from-ukraine/

day-330 20-Jan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2023/01/20/friday-january-20-russias-war-on-ukraine-daily-news-and-information-from-ukraine/

day-333 23-Jan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2023/01/23/monday-january-23-russias-war-on-ukraine-daily-news-and-information-from-ukraine/

according to ALJAZEERA

day-326 16-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/16/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-326

day-327 17-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/17/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-327

day-328 18-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/18/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-328

day-329 19-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/19/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-329

day-330 20-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/20/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-330

day-331 21-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/21/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-331

day-332 22-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/22/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-332

day-333 23-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/23/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-333

day-334 24-Jan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/24/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-334

according to THEGUARDIAN

day-326 + 16-Jan: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine?page=4

day-328 + 18-Jan: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine?page=3

day-330 + 20-Jan: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine?page=2

day-332 + 22-Jan: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine?page=1

This a "teach to fish" vs "providing fish" contribution, ya know...

Note bene:

- CCN is not type-A enough for me

- CCN has a text-only 'lite' site: https://lite.cnn.com/en

- GUARDIAN pagination is relative to the day of the search

- No paywall sites

`curl` or `wget` command line utilities may be used in script "one-liners", a baby browser

curl https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-16-23/index.html > Diary-Ukraine-2023-01-24.html

- you type curl, copy/paste the URL, you type the > Dia..., you press ENTER, you open the file Dia..

Advance usage

- write a one line script to construct the URL on the fly then feed that to the curl command

- per day manual or scheduled usage adding formatted dates as follows:

$(date +%Y-%m-%d) 1999-01-03

$(date +%Y-%-m-%-d) 1999-1-3

$(date +%-m-%-d-%Y) 1-3-1999 ~~CNN-ish~~

$(date +%A-%B-%-d-%Y) Sunday-January-3-1999 ~~FORBES-ish~~

swap dashes for slashes or spaces as needed - %Y/%m/%d

thousands of mix-n-matches with a dozen other "special" characters (directives)

YMMV

Is there a lack of interest? The final few addtions are a few words each...

IMHO

The main page should have a 3" tall font - TIMELINE blinking emoji'd link

The link should go to a page with infinite expansion in mind (wars have been in progress for thousands of years, so for).

CENTURY

DECADE

YEAR

MONTH

List all of each in columns and rows as needed. Need only link MONTH to a separate page of all DAYS, maybe with a sub-title word or two:

March 7th, 2033

DAY 3,696 - Pay to play 7 day Tough Mudder opens: https://toughmudder.com/

149.10.151.92 (talk) 22:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

molto importante note bene

....aljazeera.com ... russia-ukraine-war ... day-333

Wondering if aljazeera.com got approval from russia re: russia-ukraine-war 149.10.151.92 (talk) 22:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

... blinking emoji'd link

add sound and animation too 149.10.151.92 (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

ppps

Advance usage

THEGUARDIAN - curl script may be the exact same text with each usage every other day:

curl https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine?page=1 > Guardian-Latest.html

Guardian-Latest.html will contain the last two days of updates ready to launch in your browser.

Sad to say the the lite.cnn.com site has no direct URL relation to the cnn.com site and appears not to carry all of the cnn.com articles. Here is a Mike Pence article URL:

https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_2b86ff15c87d2bb8ac5fdf53c283c00e

They appear to HASH the original URL, which is 99.999999% (six sigma) sure done programmatically, thus finding the HASH function and presuming no randomness the one-liner script for lite.cnn.com might work:

curl https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_$(hash-it "europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-22-23-intl/index.html")

this may be considered off topic... 149.10.151.92 (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2023

Merge the entries after 12 November 2023 into the Phase 4 page. 2601:801:300:2D90:CD44:A756:FAA5:D4D9 (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

This request is rejected because it is not in the proper form. The merge of the phase 3 and phase 4 pages will be done when consensus is reached on the fate of the phase 4 page. John Sauter (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)