Talk:Tim Tebow

Andries Tebow's origin

Hello fellow Wikipedians.

A few days ago I added the fact that Tim descends from Andries Tebow to the article. He emigrated to America from Bruges in the 1680s. The littletonbooks source suggests that Andries fled persecution in Belgium, while the New York Times points out: Belgium was governed by the Catholic rulers of Spain and persecuted Protestants, forcing many to flee. I doubted this was the case in the 1680s in (Spanish) Belgium, so I omitted this point (beside 1686 being too late imo, even during the Dutch Revolt many emigrated for business).

I now recalled about the Huguenots. Right in 1685 there was the Edict of Fontainebleau, and the man is said to have arrived in America via Bruges in 1686.

But then, today the surname's variant Thybaut (Tebow is an American Anglicisation that is absent in Europe) is most prevalent in Belgium; the variant Thibaut has the highest density in Belgium, while in France (where it most prevalent) it is most prevalent in the Hauts-de-France region (the most populous part of which, including the recently acquired Lille, was once in the County of Flanders, and later Burgundy, and then Spanish Southern Netherlands). It is therefore possible that, even if a Protestant from France, the man was still a Fleming or a Walloon; Belgian if you will.

The surname Thybaut does have smaller pockets in Aquitaine and Occitaine today.

Any ideas? Does anyone have some info about Andries Tebow or the 1686 voyage from Bruges?

Tight end?

@Bears247 Not sure why you keep changing the opening sentence to say that Tebow played tight end and removing the mention of his current career in broadcasting. He won a Heisman at QB but never appeared as a tight end in a regular season game at any level, so giving those positions equal weight in the opening sentence is misleading and violates WP:UNDUE. Of course, his brief tryout at TE should be mentioned in the article and (arguably) in the infobox, but not at the very top of the introduction.

Also, saying that he's a "free agent" implies that he's still looking to sign with a team when he's clearly done with playing professionally at this point. He's been working at ESPN / SEC Network for several years, so that career should definitely be mentioned in the lede imo. Zeng8r (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Zeng8r: I'd have to look for it, but at one point there was a discussion at the NFL WikiProject regarding when to stop labelling a player as a free agent. The end result was a general rule of thumb that players are changed from free agent to former player after a period of 2 years. Technically working a TV job does not mean that a player could not return to professional sports (Jason Witten), though I do recognize that it's unlikely and uncommon. Matt Ryan's article faces a similar issue, in that he's taken a TV job but he's not announced that he's actually retired from football. I believe that's what Bearts247 is working off of in regards to the free agent mention. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

That's a reasonable guideline. Tebow hasn't played in a regular season NFL game since 2012, his brief training camp tryout with the Jaguars ended two years ago, and in between he spent several years away from the game. Even that was because his former coach (Urban Meyer) had just started his ill-fated tenure in Jax and wanted Tebow in camp to be a good work ethic example. His playing career is clearly done. Zeng8r (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to get quite busy with real life very soon so I went ahead and re-reverted the first sentence as described above and revamped the rest of the introduction while I was here. Feel free to discuss further as desired... Zeng8r (talk) 13:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Tight end tryout does not meet MOS:ROLEBIO and should not be in the lead sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023

seaso = season 2603:8000:D300:D0F:F862:D74A:5362:B94F (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Was not the first underclassman to win heisman like it says in the opening paragraphs.

Archie Griffin won it as a Junior and senior. 2603:9009:B14:6FE9:25C5:61BB:E598:6BD9 (talk) 02:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Junior and senior isn't underclassmen. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2023

Tim Tebow was not the first undergrad to win the Heisman Trophy!

Archie Griffin won it twice first time as a Junior second as a senior!

There may be others before Griffin 2600:1700:50B0:4D60:C04D:7858:29EE:2F62 (talk) 16:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The articles says ...the first underclassman, not the first undergrad. Tebow won the Trophy in his sophomore year. Liu1126 (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I am aware that the word underclassman may be confusing to non-Americans (which includes myself; I had to look it up too). It refers to the first and second years of university education. Perhaps a rewording would make it clearer, but MOS:TIES recommends using the nation's own style of English, which would be American English in this case given Tebow's nationality. Liu1126 (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

And there's not a graceful way to link it as it's currently embedded in Student § Post-second year.—Bagumba (talk) 17:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2024

Change position (Quarterback) to position (Quarterback, Tight End), as Tebow played Tight End for the Jaguars in 2021.

/Recon Tebowback (talk) 00:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done He didn't play in any real games as a tight end. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)