Talk:Ticinese dialect

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Why has this article been marked for speedy deletion as patent nonsense? To me it seems that it has been written by some expert. There are even references to bibliography.

It was just silly vandalism. The user has been blocked, but has returned under yet another AOL IP. There's a group of us who have been fighting it for the last 18 hours or so. —chris.lawson (talk) 18:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds better. I agree that this is just a stub, but after doing research about Lombard varieties for some 15 years I feel rather sure that I am able to write something more than "patent nonsense" :-) --Jorgengb 19:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Can Ticinese be a dialect of Lombard rather than less than a dialect ? Which are the parallel forms of Lombard ?

Sarcelles 02:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ticinese is just a practical definition to say "Lombard dialect spoken in Ticino". Ticinese dialects can be very different. Ticinese is not a particular dialect. If on the other hand we say "Ticinese koiné", then, yes, it is a particular dialect with many variations. Take 2 points on the map, one lying in Ticino and one in the Grisons, with -- say -- just a few km (and no mountain ranges) between them. They will be very similar or almost identical. The same applies to 2 points, one in Ticino and one in (Italian) Lombardy. Take, on the other hand, places comparatively far away (although still within Ticino) and the dialects will be very different.--Jorgengb 13:00, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

first of all, we don't use the word "Händi"...and second...well it's full of mistakes, at least translate it from italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.193.162.46 (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As said above by Jorgeng, it should be pointed out that, even though grammar remains about the same in the whole region, several words can be pronounced (and written) in several ways. The comparative examples within dialect and italian shown in this page are ok, but it should be considered that several translations might exist (example, "goat" can be translated "chiaura" or "cavra", depending on where the speaker comes from). Sometimes it even possible to figure out from which village a person comes from, depending on the accent and kind of words he uses. Matteo

Nice little article. One problem though: whether Italophones who do not understand Ticinese dialects feel ostracized is subjective and probably POV. I suggest that that sentence be modified to reflect that some non Lombard speaking Italophones may have difficulty understanding Ticinese, be it at social functions or during the Ticinese newscasts, etc... 96.49.138.140 (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Lezard[reply]

Of course speakers of Italian would not understand Ticinese, which is a different language, and would feel ostracized at social event where people willfully refuses to speak the common Italian language, just like anybody else in a similar bi- or trilingual situation. The fact that is is true does not make it relevant, nor very encyclopedic. I've removed the whole section "Differences between Ticinese and Italian" because it is mostly irrilevant to the topic of this article; being different languages it is only natural that there are many differences, both in lexic and grammar. Most of the entries aren't even valid examples of differences between Ticinese and the varieties of Western Lombard spoken in Italy, with the main exception of Natel. I've added some informations on the status of Ticinese, mostly from the italian and french wikipedia, to prevent the article from looking like an useless stub. Valhalla (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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