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Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, current Tibet page should become new page Tibetan Area (or Tibet Region, or Greater Tibet) 藏区. Both current titles "Tibet" and "Tibet Autonomous Region" do not follow Wikipedia's naming conventions, such as that it is not the common name of the subject. Some common links show that common meaning of Tibet is Tibet Autonomous Region:

Google map

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Bing map

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Travel agency of Tibet

Tibet Autonomous Region is one of the autonomous regions of the People's Republic of China and is commonly abbreviated as Xizang (Tibet).

The Tibetan Area (or Tibetan Region) is a broader geographical concept

Dalai Lama's statement

Tibet is a part of the People's Republic of China. It is an autonomous region of the People's Republic of China.

U.S. policy toward Tibet

The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China.

Britannica

Tibet, historic region and autonomous region of China that is often called “the roof of the world.”

Toto11zi (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

"The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China." That does not mean that the US considers the word "Tibet" to refer to the Tibet Autonomous Region in general usage, only that it is using "Tibet" in that sense in that one document.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide common source for the general use of term Tibet? meaning all the Tibetan regions in China? Toto11zi (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, this page should become new page Tibetan Region 藏区. Toto11zi (talk) 21:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

There is another page on Tibet Autonomous Region. If you want that page to be renamed as "Tibet", you need to gather sources and file a WP:RfM on its talk page. You would also need to propose a new title for this page, perhaps Tibet region or something like that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Good comment, let me add move notice on both current "Tibet" page, and the other "Tibet Autonomous Region" before moving. Toto11zi (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

No. "China" means the nation of China, which is currently constituted by the PRC. Just as "France" means the nation of France, which is currently constituted by the French Fifth Republic. "Tibet" means a geographic region which is currently mostly incorporated in the Tibet Autonomous Region, but most references to Tibet are not limited to the TAR. This is more similar to "Arabia" which is a geographic region mostly incorporated into Saudi Arabia, but where most references to Arabia are not limited to Saudi Arabia. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

That's similar analogy, China page was moved to PRC. Geographic regions of all Tibetan communities in China are called Tibetan regions, only some of Tibetan regions were incorporated in Tibet Autonomous Region, but that was done in the Qing. Current size of Tibet Autonomous Region is similar to size of Tibet in Qing under rule of the 8th Dalai Lama. Arabia is not a good example since Arabia has relatively defined boundary, and there are multiple countries in Arabia. Tibet is a political entity, there's one government involved and size changed in different periods of time. Toto11zi (talk) 14:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You do realize that you just destroyed your own argument, right? If "Geographic regions of all Tibetan communities in China are called Tibetan regions, only some of Tibetan regions were incorporated in Tibet Autonomous Region", then "Tibet" does not equal TAR even in China. Much less in English usage. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you read my discussion below, you will see the point. One quick test to check whether Tibet means a region defined by political entity, or Tibet means all Tibetan regions of China:

Since the English term Tibet was created in 1774 AD, do you call the land under rule of the 8th Dalai Lama (1758-1804) "Tibet" in 1774 AD? or something else?

Another test: If I tell you I will travel to Tibet this summer, do you think I may stay in Xining? Xining was part of Tibet (Tibetan Empire) in 763 AD.

The size of total Tibetan regions in China is much bigger than Tibet(TAR) itself, that's common sense. Toto11zi (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Another point is that for Tibetan regions outside Tibet (TAR), Tibetan population makes up about 50%-70% of population, for Xining, it's only 6.49% of population in year 2020. Toto11zi (talk) 13:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Also the "China page was moved to PRC" is factually incorrect. What happened was that the improperly separated PRC article was folded back into the China article. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

China pointed to Greater China for a long period of time, and it was moved to China. I think the reason is obvious. If I tell you I will travel to China this summer, no one will assume I will go to Mongolia even Mongolia was part of China in Qing. Toto11zi (talk) 02:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)