Talk:Thomas Perkins Abernethy

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A fact from Thomas Perkins Abernethy appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 August 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Thomas Perkins Abernethy's dissertation The Formative Period in Alabama, 1815–1828 earned him a doctorate from Harvard University and was published in book form?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Perkins Abernethy.

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Thomas Perkins Abernethy earned his Doctorate in history from Harvard University, using his book, The Formative period in Alabama, 1815–1828, for his doctoral dissertation?~~ — Source: Abernethy, 1922, The Formative period in Alabama, 1815-1828, p. 8

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of quadrangles on Mars
Comment: Statement and citation for hook is found in the Early life and education section.

Created/expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: not a full review, but the hook is not interesting to a broad audience. No offense intended to the creator or subject, but hooks should make the reader want to read the article, not state simple facts of little interest to people even familiar with the subject. (WP:DYKHOOK, Review the hook.) Surely a more interesting hook can be produced. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the subject itself, like many subjects, doesn't appeal to a broad audience i.e. a professor of history. Seems no matter what item of fact is used from this article for the hook, it will not appeal to a broad audience. However, it would appeal to many who are interested in history and to the academic community overall, imo. Many such people, and students, frequent Wikipedia. I'm a history enthusiast and found the fact/hook in question very interesting. It's very uncommon for an author to submit one of his/her books for a doctoral thesis. It says much about the book and its author. Bear in mind, most people don't read articles with subjects they are not interested in in the first place. If you see something in the article that you feel will appeal to a broad audience I'm open to suggestions. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Perhaps the hook could be rewritten as ALT1. How come his children had the surname "Ambler"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Thomas Perkins Abernethy used his own book, The Formative period in Alabama, 1815–1828, for his doctoral dissertation at Harvard University?

@Cwmhiraeth: Inclusion of the Ambler children in the info box was a mistake. Removed those names. I have a habit of having a dozen browser windows open at one time. Thanx for catching that. ALT1 looks nice also. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is now good to go with ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't understand the hook. Did he write the book first and then submit it as his dissertation? Or did he write the dissertation and afterward it was published as a book? Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Owen earned his PhD in 1922 and published his book in 1922. The source doesn't mention if Owen's work was actually 'published' before or after he submitted it, which would be beside the point. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwillhickers: We just had a similar hook where the academic published her dissertation as a book. That's what I think is happening here. He did all this research for the dissertation and then published it as a book. In which case neither hook is accurate. Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The hook, the article, or the source doesn't say if the work was published before or after it was submitted, only that it was published in 1922, and submitted the same year. Even if he published the work after he submitted it, not indicating this doesn't make the hook inaccurate. The important point is, his work was used as his dissertation, regardless of the date of publication. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to a 'book' in the hook implies it was published before it was submitted, so below is a hook that just refers to his 'work', which doesn't commit to it being published before or after it was submitted as a dissertation. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 .. that Thomas Perkins Abernethy earned his Doctorate in history from Harvard University, using his work, The Formative period in Alabama, 1815–1828, for his doctoral dissertation?

OK. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Content and other sources always needed and welcomed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]