Talk:Thomas Higginson (soldier)

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Requested move 21 August 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Thomas Higginson (soldier), dab moved to base location. Further discussion about whether two people are accidentally covered in this one article can continue further down the page if required, or someone could simply be bold. Jenks24 (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Higginson → ? – There was a history-merge request Thomas Higginson (Canadian politician) to Thomas Higginson. But see the remarks in the article text at the start of edit https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Higginson&oldid=677065821 , about a wrong Thomas Higginson being described there. If those 2 pages and Thomas Wentworth Higginson are all examined, three men named Thomas Higginson may be involved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Anthony Appleyard:

I'm not sure there is a primary topic for Thomas Higginson (disambiguation). My inclination is to say there's not.
User Whiteylights hasn't edited since their November 1, 2007 Higginson edits, so is unlikely to clarify this for us. They actually did two cut-pastes to make the Canadian the primary topic:
- Thomas Higginson → Thomas Higginson (disambiguation): (diff)
- Thomas Higginson (Canadian politician) → Thomas Higginson: (diff) which also added new information
The IP editor 135.23.205.9 dropped by in November 2014 to raise the issue you noticed (diff). Good catch, I didn't notice that.
Jgrantduff added a reference for that in February (diff). As they're still active, I hoping that they can help with this.
I'm also pinging Big iron who's made edits here and is still active.

We really need someone with access to the offline sources to sort this out. But probably the cut-pastes should be fixed regardless. After that, if there's no primary topic, or if the Canadian bio needs to be split to two separate people, those issues can be addressed separately with additional moves or content splits. – Wbm1058 (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wbm1058: @Anthony Appleyard:

It appears that there may be two different individuals described by this biography (or, if not, some discrepancies in the biography of the same individual). Thomas Wentworth Higginson is clearly a distinct person. I created an earlier version of Thomas Higginson (Canadian politician) based on Histoire des comtés unis de Prescott et de Russell (you can see a snippet from this Google search. According to that source, he was born in 1810, the only son of John Higginson and Elizabeth Sheriff and was elected to the parliament for the Province of Canada (French source). However, one of the sources History of the Counties of Argenteuil, Que. and Prescott, Ont cited for the existing article is available online at ourroots.ca which describes a Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Higginson who died in 1884 at the age of 90, the youngest of four brothers. The History of the Higginson Observation Tower, which appears to refer to the same individual, gives his birth year as 1794. The book Poetical works of Thomas Higginson gives the dates January 8, 1794 to January 22, 1884 and lists his parents as Boyd Higginson and Jane Crawford. However, none of these latter sources link this individual to political office in the Province of Canada. --Big_iron (talk)

In History of the Counties of Argenteuil, Que. and Prescott, Ont, there is also a reference to a Thomas Higginson, son of John Higginson, who married Margery Brown in 1831 and who was 87 years old in 1896, so who could have been born in 1810. This person was, at one time, a bookkeeper for the Hamilton Brothers which agrees with the issue raised about the article. It also appears that several people named Higginson arrived in the area around 1819. This appears to support the existence of two distinct Thomas Higginsons in roughly the same region during overlapping time periods which the current version of the article lumps together as a single individual. --Big_iron (talk) 03:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry: I have never been to Canada or the USA and I know nothing about any of these Higginsons. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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