Talk:Thinking machines (Dune)

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The result of the move request was: Article moved ~~ GB fan ~~ 10:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking machines → Thinking machines (Dune) — This title needs to be redirected to "Thinking machine", a disambiguation page. Rilak (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support other values are more likely that this Dune minutiae 76.66.200.95 (talk) 04:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

OMG

I've participated in a few discussions here and on other talk pages about whether or not FH envisioned the Jihad as a Terminator-like war against killer robots. In my opinion, the evidence within the books of the original series suggests that it was just a religious rejection of AI, which in my mind obviously contradicted the primary plotline of the Legends of Dune trilogy, and by extension the Dune 7 sequels. Dune nerd that I am, I've been listening to the original series audiobooks on the elliptical at the gym. Imagine my shock when I heard this quote from GEoD, when Siona shares Leto's vision of the future:

He knew this experience, but could not change the smallest part of it. No ancestral presences would remain in her consciousness, but she would carry with her forever afterward the clear sights and sounds and smells. The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere.

To me, this meant that, no matter how passive the Jihad may have been, the extinction of mankind that Leto was trying to prevent was indeed at the hands of predator robots! Unbelievable! And I checked: Touponce agrees on page 85 of Frank Herbert. I've added this info (with the Touponce ref) to this article. Not to say that Hunters and Sandworms were executed how Frank himself may have wrote them, this certainly makes me look at them in a slightly different light.— TAnthony^Talk 05:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at Talk:Butlerian Jihad#OMG. --Gwern (contribs) 13:57 27 October 2010 (GMT)

Unexplored and open to speculation?

That bit strikes me as, frankly, a cop out. While details may have been lacking, Frank Herbert actually made it abundantly clear that the jihad was not a Terminator-like war pitting man against machine. If robots were actually hunting people down and murdering them, I hardly think that the target of the jihad would be the "machine-attitude" and not the actual murderous machines. But, that's just me (and everyone not named Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson).--172.190.16.197 (talk) 07:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]