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16:47, 28 February 2017‎ Steel1943 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42 bytes) (+42)‎ . . (Steel1943 moved page The best 33 (Ukraine) to The best 33: Remove unnecessary disambiguation) (thank)

@Steel1943: seems uk:Список 33 найкращих футболістів сезону в СРСР is far more notable than the Ukraine list. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There seems to be a general agreement that this article isn't at the best location, but there is so far no definite agreement as to where that new location should be. I recommend a non-RM discussion about possible titles (and maybe adjusting other similar article titles), and when there's a general consensus on that either ping me or start up a new RM and refer to this one (essentially this is an NPASR close). Primefac (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]



The best 33The best 33 (Ukraine) – There was the best 33 lists in Soviet [1] and Russian [2] football also. 194.50.51.252 (talk) 12:05, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943: I know that your objective here is to improve articles. The real problem we have been left by this article is that this Spisok 33, like the Soviet and Russian list of 33, is only a shortlist of sorts which feeds into the real best player awards, which again, belong as a footnote down in the Ukrainian Footballer of the Year article. Which do you think would be better? A merge of the Ukrainian list, or creating the Russian list of 33? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@In ictu oculi: I suppose it would depend on the individual lists' respective notability as standalone lists. Due to my lack of familiarity with these subjects, based on what you have said thus far, I would have to assume that these lists are not related to each other strongly enough for them to be bundled together on one list article, and should probably be separate. (The exception to this, in my mind, would be if all of these lists were published by the same entity and were notable as being published by that entity ... then the lists should probably be on the same article due to being strongly related and not notable as standalone subjects.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, they aren't related. The Ukrainian newspaper Komanda replicating the Soviet/Russian list is just a local Ukrainian initiative. Hence, that would indicate a standalone: List of 33 Best Football Players of the Year (Soviet Union). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:45, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The best 33 (Soviet Union) exists. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:55, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But that article isn't titled "The best 33". Pppery 19:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery: how is that relevant? The article exists, the redirect exists. What difference does it make whether the article is at the article location or the redirect location? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support some move, but oppose the proposed one. The present title and the proposed one both appear to fall afoul of WP:THE, and perhaps even WP:COMMONNAME. The creation of a (similarly poorly titled) Soviet article makes it unlikely that this one is the primary topic of "The best 33" even if that's it's common name. I suggest reviewing the sources for both articles to determine what the real common name is, and disambiguating accordingly.--Cúchullain t/c 18:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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