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Indefinite hiatus vs. breaking up

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The band didn't announce a break up, just a temporary absence. So should the time of existence really be 1999-2008? Rob hendershott (talk) 18:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, the band recently said at their latter show dates that they would be returning in 2011. It all seems off to me. Why announce when you'll be back? Why make such a big deal about the "announcement" and not tell the fans then?

Golla backing vocalist?

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To the person who keeps listing Mike Golla as a backing vocalist: Look, first off, I see you are a fairly unexperieced user. Please take a look at WP:MOS, as you are making a lot of style mistakes, not just in this article. Also, stop spamming the article with your comments trying to prove me wrong. They don't belong there at all. I read the edit history, so posting your comments there suffices.

Anyway, Golla is not credited in any of the band's booklets as a backing vocalist, as he does not perform vocals on any of their releases. In their videos, just like on the records (as those are the same recordings), Kenny Vasoli performs the backing vocals. Golla may lipsync to several lines, which is commonly done in music videos, just for the sake of giving it a more genuine feel. HarryCane 17:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Unreleased and non-album tracks

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There is a dispute going on about what non-album tracks should or should not be listed. The songs in question are "Lasting Impressions (Full Band Version)," "Song For Her," and "The Rain Cloud And I." These songs were recorded for "Based on a True Story" but were cut when the album was released. They have since been released by the Starting Line on their MySpace and PureVolume web pages. Does anyone else have an opinion on this? User:12.5.1.207 14:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I already pointed out, I think they shouldn't be listed for various reasons. First off, the Non-album tracks section usually only lists released tracks that were not on one of a band's albums (see New Found Glory, Dashboard Confessional, Hidden in Plain View, Fenix*TX, Something Corporate, the list goes on and on). All these articles only list songs that were either on compilations, available for online purchase or on import versions of the albums. Also, while "Song for Her" was in fact recorded with With Hopes of Starting Over, the other songs in question were only demos ("The Rain Cloud and I", "Lasting Impressions" — which was already released on The Make Yourself at Home EP) that the band recorded in pre-production for their album Based on a True Story, not in the actual recording session with Tim O'Heir. They also posted a demo version of "Cheek to Cheek". Shouldn't that one be listed as well? Or the live version of "The Best of Me" from the Drive-Thru Invasion Compilation? Or all the other demos from the We the People Sessions? If you're going to start listing unreleased songs and different versions of album tracks, you'll never hear the end of it. --HarryCane 18:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'll never hear the end of it from you. Fine, I'll agree with you that all the different versions of songs shouldn't be listed and therefore "Lasting Impressions" shouldn't be there. However, "Song For Her" and "The Rain Cloud and I" are different songs that are 1) not on any album, 2) released by the band, and 3) "available for online purchase" (in this case, free streaming). And why can't we put the We the People sessions on here and just say it features demos of starting line songs? What would be so wrong with that? Check out Sum 41, Yellowcard, Something Corporate to see where people list unreleased stuff. --User:12.5.1.207 15:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First off, how is free streaming a form of online purchase? Also, the only "unreleased" songs that the Something Corporate discography lists are The Galaxy Sessions (if you had looked into it you even would have noticed that I created that article and put it there). These were, however, not unreleased demos, but a properly produced recording distributed to members of their street team. Other songs (like "Rock & Roll Band" and "If I Were a Terrorist") are not listed, for a good reason. And I never said the We the People Sessions shouldn't be included in the aritcle (as advance copies of them exist). I said it would be stupid to list every single track in the "Non-album tracks" section. If it's done in a similar manner to the Galaxy Sessions and if someone can supply sufficient information, there would IMO be absolutely nothing wrong with that.
As for Yellowcard (an article that is generally in an exceptionally bad shape), the "Other Songs" (which BTW shouldn't be capatilized) section was recently added by unexperienced users and anons, and is seeded with incorrect information anyways (e.g. "Hey Mike" was first released on the "Way Away" UK single, it lists songs that were performed live or on TV/radio once, and what "exclusive track from Lights and Sounds" is supposed to mean I don't know). Sum 41 lists one unreleased track, that's true. But as I pointed out earlier, there are tons of articles that don't. "Song for Her" and "The Rain Cloud and I" were never officially released and listing them in the appropriate album pages (With Hopes of Starting Over and Based on a True Story) suffices. --HarryCane 12:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this is an article about The Starting line, and they have a ton of unreleased/releases online/B-Side material. If not here, then where do we list it? I have songs like Gainsay, Birch Hill, Drawbacks, Forever in a Day, Hold On, Left Coast Envy (demo), Nothing Short of a Miracle, Thanks, You're the Best, Thirty, and West Girl Scout Road. I was so happy to find the few non album tracks there were and finally find out where they came from. I was disappointed to see that the others that I have are not listed and some people will never know they existed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.202.123.76 (talk) 02:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
There is an EP called the starting line that I ripped from a friend of mine who worked at drive thrurecords. It included 3 tracks, 1. Given the Chance (same as say it like you mean it), 2. Best of Me (same as say it like you mean it), and 3. Thanks, You're the Best (Previously Unreleased). I'm pretty sure that this is the only album to have featured Thanks, You're the best. I remember the album being a thin jewel cd case, maybee some kind of burgundy boarder, and the cover was the starting line logo inside that rectangle and a photo of the guys in street clothes. If anyone knows any more, I'd like to get enough info to add it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.202.123.76 (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Most of the songs you listed were Sunday Drive songs (songs that were written and recorded before the band became The Starting Line). If they were to be mentioned (which they shouldn't because they were a. never officially released, and b. not by The Starting Line), I think the only appropriate way would be to list the 3 songs from Sunday Drive's only release (the split CD mentioned in the article) in a seperate article. The sampler you're mentioning is already in the article, and since it was really only a promo thing, it doesn't warrant its own article. What could be considered to be "outsourced" are the We the People Sessions, in a similar manner to Something Corporate's The Galaxy Sessions. I think that's the most perfect solution, so feel free to add that. --HarryCane 16:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rock music

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Why does the make yourself at home EP, need to say rock? I mean, it is an acoustic CD, so rock can be replaced with either Acoustic or acoustic rock. While the music containts both pop punk and acoustic rock, there is nothing to suggest rock itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.71.76 (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

First of all, I'm glad that you decided to take part in a discussion, rather than continuing the ongoing edit war, so thank you for that. As for the genre, it's common usage to first list the general genre a band/album/EP falls under (in this instance rock), then to list explanatory styles (acoustic rock, pop punk, post-harcorde, ska punk, etc.) since rock is such a wide genre. Same with hip-hop or pop, which just as well can be further subcategorized, but should nonetheless be listed where applicable, to give a general idea to readers who might not be familiar with the listed styles and subgenres. --HarryCane 13:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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