Talk:The Queer Insurrection and Liberation Army

Sources or merge

Apart from initial/sensational coverage, has there been any further developments? Otherwise would be worth merging back into the parent article and splitting summary style when warranted czar 19:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

a few of the reference links to youtube videos are no longer working and should be replaced Hmiddleeast1 (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Far-left vs anarchist

@Czar: hello, you removed the cn tag on "far left" in the infobox, with the edit summary "rmv cn tag: subunit of the far-left IRPGF". But the IRPGF article describes that group as anarchist, and not all anarchists are left-wing. I don't see anything in either article about far-left, apart from the infoboxes in both. Some clarification is needed. Thanks, TMG^talk 17:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

None of the sources show any confusion about the group's political affiliation, which are unabashedly for gay rights and feminism, as are the allied Rojava forces. This is implicit enough through the article that it need not be explicitly sourced, but if you want one anyway, this one should work. And every other source in the article goes on about the group's revolutionary left affiliation.[1][2] czar 18:44, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the references. Agreed, the sources confirm that they are a revolutionary group, fighting for LGBTQ rights, feminism, and democracy, and that they ally with left wing groups, and are supported by leftist groups in their country and in the west. But I still can't see anything about this group having a far left ideology. Am I missing something? TMG^talk 19:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Maybe? Your second sentence describes far left ideology, so not sure what more proof you need? Is this about language? The few sources that exist use the phrases "anarchist left" and "anti-fascist" to signal "far left", which is a more technical and broader synonym. Now if you prefer the term "anarchist left" for the infobox, I think the difference is purely pedantic, but as you wish. Here's another citation:

the YPG has now shifted to recruiting leftist-anarchist types — like the TQILA fighters — who more closely align with their political ideals
— Miller, Anna Lekas (August 10, 2017). "Is the Queer Brigade Fighting ISIS in Syria a Force for Liberation or Alienation?". The Intercept. Retrieved June 23, 2018.

I can't see where my second sentence describes far left ideology. Fighting for LGBTQ rights, feminism, and democracy is something that many far left groups support, but it doesn't define them; indeed, there are self-described conservatives who support all three. I'm not trolling, and this isn't just about language - anarchism and far-left ideology aren't mutually exclusive, but are nevertheless separate. Thanks for the Intercept ref, but again it only describes supporters and allies, not any ideology outlined by the group. I'm looking for an explicit statement of them supporting far left ideology, but haven't found one yet. TMG^talk 19:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

My quoted passage says TQILA is an anarchist left group. Not allies. Are you looking for confirmation of the phrase "far left"? Because few people—nevertheless infobox sources—use that exact phrase in my experience. If so, that's something to take up with the infobox maintainers at {{infobox war faction}}, not here.

re: "there are self-described conservatives who support all three"—I've never heard of this, especially in a war party. czar 20:30, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The infobox war faction usage says:

ideology – optional – the ideology of the faction, if relevant.

So this is not an infobox problem. Can we agree that anarchist and far left are not the same thing? TMG^talk 20:39, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The field is commonly used to indicate position on the political spectrum, translating "anarchist left" as a kind of "far left". There'd also be nothing wrong with listing both terms. But I don't have any more time to litigate this so as I've already said, do as you wish. czar 01:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, accidentally pasted the adjacent "ideology" rather than "political position" from the infobox usage, in the quote above. I've changed political position to Left-wing politics, which can include a wide range of anarchist positions, and seems to include the political position of this group. I hope that's an acceptable compromise. If so, then thanks for taking the time to discuss this. TMG^talk 03:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

"not all anarchists are left-wing" citation needed, as they say. It's clear the sort of anarchism being on display here is left. CrickedBack (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Similarity with the Stasi Flag

There is a big similiraty with the stasi flag but I don't know if this article is the right place to quote it. [3] Couposanto (talk) 20:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not. WP is designed to paraphrase reliable, secondary source and to avoid original research by its editors. If that claim is important, a reliable, secondary source will have covered it for you to paraphrase and cite. And going off the infobox images in both articles, it's a stretch to claim any meaningful resemblance here. czar 00:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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Meme army

The article mentions no notable activities, attacks, or involvement in actual events with dates, locations. No notable members or leaders are named. This is just an artsy-fartsy meme logo that exists in Twitter and other social media. Delete.

Propaganda

The T.Q.I.L.A has been associated with a media campaign by the PKK to gain favour in western eyes for its progressive ideals. However, the actions of the PKK do not necessarily reflect the ideals of this unit, for example, young women in its ranks have been used as suicide bombers and some are coerced into joining.[4] Hmiddleeast1 (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

source

hello, could someone correct the source error on reference 8 from huffpost as i am not sure how to change it Hmiddleeast1 (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)