Talk:The Queen's Head (Portland, Oregon)/GA2
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Reviewer: Mertbiol (talk · contribs) 18:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
This looks like a very interesting article. I have made some comments below. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 18:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks!
Doing... ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Lead section
[edit]- I suggest linking "worker-owned cooperative" to worker cooperative.
Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Description
[edit]- The first paragraph is a single, long sentence - the location in Old Town Chinatown gets lost at the end. I suggest rephrasing to "The Queen's Head was an English-style pub and lounge in the Southwest Portland part of Old Town Chinatown. It was opened in November 2021 in Ankeny Alley, a pedestrian-friendly zone with clubs and restaurants including Dan and Louis Oyster Bar, Shanghai Tunnel Bar, and Voodoo Doughnut.
- Done Good suggestion. Thanks! Left out the opening date since that's for the history section. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I know that "coxhina" is the spelling used in the reference, but I think that "Brazilian coxhina dumplings" probably refers to coxinha. If you agree that this is the case, please link.
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have no idea what a "rose five-spice simple" is. Please explain with a link. Is this a reference to five-spice powder?
- Good question. I'm not 100% sure, and five-spice powder refers to Chinese cuisine. I've changed the sentence a bit, linking simple syrup, but I suggest we leave "five-spiced" unlinked for now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think this is OK and clear enough. Thank you. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Good question. I'm not 100% sure, and five-spice powder refers to Chinese cuisine. I've changed the sentence a bit, linking simple syrup, but I suggest we leave "five-spiced" unlinked for now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
History
[edit]- "as of 2021" should probably be change to "in 2021" as the venue has closed.
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Should "Pride" be linked to Pride Northwest?
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Please add a hyphen in "mid 2022".
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Transition to Pinq and closure
[edit]- I suggest linking "worker-owned cooperative" to worker cooperative.
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Reference [9] (Andrew Jankowski (December 14, 2022)) says that The Queen's Collective ran the venue "between The Queen’s Head’s July closure and Pinq’s September debut". It does not say that The Queen's Collective ran Pinq.
- I'm not sure I follow. What text changes are you proposing here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- You have written "a worker-owned cooperative known as The Queen's Collective began operating the queer cafe as Pinq (sometimes stylized as P¡nq) starting in September". Reference [9] says that The Queen's Collective ran the venue "between The Queen’s Head’s July closure and Pinq’s September debut". Reference [9] implies that, contrary to what you have written, The Queen's Collective was not involved in running Pinq. Reference [12] does not mention The Queen's Collective. You need to rephrase this sentence to make this clear. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I hope these changes help to clarify. Thanks for flagging! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- You have written "a worker-owned cooperative known as The Queen's Collective began operating the queer cafe as Pinq (sometimes stylized as P¡nq) starting in September". Reference [9] says that The Queen's Collective ran the venue "between The Queen’s Head’s July closure and Pinq’s September debut". Reference [9] implies that, contrary to what you have written, The Queen's Collective was not involved in running Pinq. Reference [12] does not mention The Queen's Collective. You need to rephrase this sentence to make this clear. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow. What text changes are you proposing here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is "Pinq acquired The Roxy's espresso machine" sufficiently significant to be included? I would remove it on the grounds that an individual coffee machine is not notable.
- If removal is required to pass GAN, fine, but earlier in the article the prose mentions filling a void left by The Roxy, which closed in 2022. The article for The Roxy goes into more detail about the restaurant's connection to the LGBT community. Again, I don't feel super strongly about keeping, but to me this shows how one notable business in the LGBT community helped another, similar to how many restaurant entries describe which interior features were kept from previous tenants in the space. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't feel super strongly about this, so this can stay. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- If removal is required to pass GAN, fine, but earlier in the article the prose mentions filling a void left by The Roxy, which closed in 2022. The article for The Roxy goes into more detail about the restaurant's connection to the LGBT community. Again, I don't feel super strongly about keeping, but to me this shows how one notable business in the LGBT community helped another, similar to how many restaurant entries describe which interior features were kept from previous tenants in the space. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Sources check
[edit]I have checked the following sources [1] (see comment below), [2], [3], [4], [5] (see comment below), [6] (see comment below), [7] (see comment below), [9] (see comment above), [8], [10], [11], [12] (see comments below).
- I cannot find "queer art recess" in [1] (Jankowski, Andrew (December 22, 2021))
- See Ref 5 at end of sentence, which I've updated to direct users here. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, you need to add [5] after [1].
- I've added [5] after "queer art recess". ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, you need to add [5] after [1].
- See Ref 5 at end of sentence, which I've updated to direct users here. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- The live version of [5] (Reed, Conner; Hilton, Thom (2017-04-21)) is dated June 2, 2023 and does not mention The Queen's Head; similarly, the archived version is dated Jun 14, 2019 and also does not mention the venue.
- Done Updated per Wayback Machine. This also takes care of "art recess" request above. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Page numbers required for [6] (Frane, Alex; Moore, Jenni; Cottell, Pete (2022-09-27))
- Can you tell the page number? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- You did add this yourself. It shouldn't really be up to me to provide the page numbers, but pp. 148-151 will cover the section you need. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. I could not see page numbers in the preview. I've updated the citation. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- You did add this yourself. It shouldn't really be up to me to provide the page numbers, but pp. 148-151 will cover the section you need. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Can you tell the page number? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Daniel Bund is not mentioned in [7] (Wong, Janey (2021-01-27)).
- You're correct, but in this case the citation is being used to note the November opening. Bund is mentioned in other citations. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- So you need to provide another citation to go with [7] which does mention Daniel Bund. I need to see "...in November 2021,[X][7]" Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- So you need to provide another citation to go with [7] which does mention Daniel Bund. I need to see "...in November 2021,[X][7]" Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- You're correct, but in this case the citation is being used to note the November opening. Bund is mentioned in other citations. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I cannot find "a worker-owned cooperative known as The Queen's Collective began operating the queer cafe as Pinq" in [12] (Willamette Week, (February 15, 2023)).
- In this case, the citation is being used for "September". The citation after the next sentence goes into more detail about the cooperative, per source. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- So you need to copy the citation at the end of the next sentence and place it next to [12]. Again, I need to see "...starting in September.[X][12]" Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol
- So you need to copy the citation at the end of the next sentence and place it next to [12]. Again, I need to see "...starting in September.[X][12]" Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- In this case, the citation is being used for "September". The citation after the next sentence goes into more detail about the cooperative, per source. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- "Pink" is written as P!nk and not P¡nq in [12] (Willamette Week, (February 15, 2023)).
- I see the letter Q being used, so I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- It's the upside down exclamation mark. It's the right way up in [12], not upside down as you have written it. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. I've added a citation (which I had used for the next sentence) to make sourcing clearer. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- It's the upside down exclamation mark. It's the right way up in [12], not upside down as you have written it. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- I see the letter Q being used, so I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Stopping here for now
[edit]Over to @Another Believer: Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 18:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol I think I've responded to each of your concerns. Happy to revisit as needed. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: I've responded to your points above. You need to sort out the references properly. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
I've done another round of changes per your suggestions. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Oops! Sorry, taking a look at the cooperative text now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:21, 26 July 2023 (UTC)- Ok, now Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, now
- @Another Believer: I've responded to your points above. You need to sort out the references properly. Mertbiol (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Final verdict
[edit]- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section):
b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
Promoting the article now. Mertbiol (talk) 21:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mertbiol Thanks! Much appreciated. If you enjoyed collaborating, I've got a dozen or so other articles at GAN. Happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.