Talk:The Last Story

NA Release?

This game is currently listed on the main page with a "TBA 2010" release for North America; but has it been confirmed for release outside Japan yet? I have not seen any sources so far suggesting that it has. Gatotsu911 (talk) 08:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

There was a U.S. and European trademark filed, but unfortunately, that is not a confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.88.239 (talk) 17:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I work at a game store and the release date has been moved again, to the 15. Could I just change the date, or do I need to provide a source? How can I prove that our computers show that date? Thanks in advance. ((update:: Sorry, I did not sign when I originally wrote this.))74.193.202.32 (talk) 07:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

About the changes in setting and story

I changed some of the parts of the setting and story because most of it is outdated and I have finished the game myself (good game by the way) so that's why I did the changes and hope that someone else will do the same — Preceding unsigned comment added by The History Writter Guy (talk • contribs) 04:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Introduction

"The game's name and logo have been noted to be very similar to the Final Fantasy series[citation needed], which was created by Mistwalker's head, Hironobu Sakaguchi.[2]" This information is irrelevant and does not belong to an introduction of the article. One might include it in the main body but actually it is pretty useless anyway. Therefore I'm going to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.44.196.176 (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Restored the info, and added a ref supporting it. I think it is important to note; the similarity is mentioned all the time by the video game press... Sergecross73 msg me 23:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Audio Credits

Should the arrangers Yoshitaka Suzuki and Tsutomu Narita be mentioned in credits? Or typically does an arranger get credit in an article like this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.177.153 (talk) 01:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Arrangers are not normally mentioned in the infobox unless it is a game that only has arranged music (like Final Fantasy III for the Nintendo DS). If there is enough information on the work done by Suzuki and Narita (e.g. in the liner notes), their specific involvement can be mentioned in the development section, though. Prime Blue (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Why the bad model?

Does anyone know why it is that Mistwalker has decided to, following in Square's footsteps, never release games in the US we would gladly pay for? It seems like a really stupid model honestly, one directly against making money and keeping a fan base. Im really not trying to be troll-ish: I have looked and cant figure out any decent reason for this habit, aside from a pathological hatred of green currency. 74.128.56.194 (talk) 00:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

So, I'm guessing you're oblivious to the decline of the JRPG and the Wii? Both aren't doing so hot these days. They have have calculated internally that it wouldn't be that profitable. Perhaps you should read up some on business, profitabilty, the poor economy, etc.

That being said, the game hasn't been out in Japan for very long, and E3 is coming up. It could still very well be announced. Sergecross73 msg me 15:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

E3 2011 No-show

E3 still shows no mention according to 1UP. Folks with more Wikipedia skills feel free to use/change this information as needed.--136.205.16.20 (talk) 17:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I'll add it if it's still true once E3 is completely over. In theory, they could show it in the last day, maybe as an effort to not take attention away from 3ds/WiiU stuff... Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Australia?

Is this game coming to Australia?--210.56.91.82 (talk) 13:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. On February 23rd, 2012. Emmy Altava 05:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Just so you're all aware.

I'm planning a very... major, reimagining of this article. I'm hoping to finish a good topic by, oh, say, summer's end, and I've decided to start with this one. The game comes out in three weeks - I should be done by then, allowing any of you in Europe or Australia to add in the story information that I can't exactly get in America at the moment for obvious reasons. What I'm trying to say, then, is if you're planning on making any significant changes to the article before then, realize that although I'm paying very close attention to this article for anything to salvage, it could still be overlooked in a moment of senility on my part. Plan accordingly. Emmy Altava 05:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've never made any major changes to the article for that very reason; I figured it'd receive a big overhaul when released in English-speaking regions. I'm from NA, so if I ever play it, it'd probably be well after the EU release, so I can't help with plot stuff really, but I'll continue to keep an eye out for vandalism and other clean up though... Sergecross73 msg me 14:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

So I didn't make it in time, in part due to schooling and such taking up more in the last couple of weeks. I'll try to ready it as soon as I have an opportunity, but in the meanwhile, do as y'all please. Emmy Altava 06:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh nice. I'll try to remember to gather sources for you. So far... TLS charted in Europe. Here's an article that mentions it [1]. These are the charts: [2], [3]. « ₣M₣ » 19:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

• So, uh, apologies for falling off of the face of the planet. Just about the time I was getting toward the end of the article, I was attacked by a wild third quarter of schooling, and consequently didn't have the time to finish. I tried to persist for a few days, but ultimately I couldn't ever finish. Things are beginning to lighten slightly, but it disappoints me greatly I've left this alone for so long.

If anyone else wishes to take the reins of this article, you can see the progress I'd made here - although it's worth noting that this was before the North American localization could be edited in, so it's severely lacking in that regard. As one might have guessed, the planned 'good topic' was also to include Xenoblade and Pandora's Tower, but I ended up running out of time for the latter, too. Hopefully things will clear up by summer, so that I might finish what I had planned to start. Emmy Altava 07:03, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Release date

Please do not change the release to the 24th since it is not accurate. First, few games if any have a release date set for a Friday. Second, both Gamestop and Best Buy websites offer the ability to check the stock of items in individual stores by typing in the a near by postal code and both stores have the game in stock meaning the release date can't be next Friday unless Both GameStop and Best Buy are lying about inventory and there is no evidence whatsoever support that. In short please do not use the 24th since its clearly wrong.--70.49.81.140 (talk) 22:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Story

I have removed the large story section. There were no citations and it seemed like original research. I have no problems of adding a full story summary back. However it needs to be properly sourced and also properly written to meet wikipedia's standards. So if anyone wants to add it back in, please do so but remember to properly cite things. NathanWubs (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Well technically plot sections don't necessarily require sources, unless theres a point of contention or something, but the plot was very excessive/overly detailed, so I support its removal anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 23:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry to say, but plot sections do require sources. Just because a lot of other games do not have sources in their plot does not make it okay. After all we still work with wikpedia policies like WP:V and WP: RS. Not to mention that this was not the plot section. There is already one of those. This was an in-depth story section. Which indeed was excessive/over detailed and could be labeled as original research including with some of the conjectures that are made. Not to mention it was written in an in-univrese style. At least from my pov. Which is not the preferred way in wikipedia. NathanWubs (talk) 02:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I said not necessarily needed. As in, sometimes plot stuff is non-controversial, and not every little thing needs a source. See WP:BLUE, or prior discussions on it at WikiProject Video Games -- http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_89#Plot_citations_.28incl._in_FAs.29 . I'm not suggesting we throw policies like WP:V out the window. Furthermore, I already agreed that it needed to be cut on other grounds, so I'm not sure why you're throwing out more reasons why it needed to be removed. Re-read my original response. I was agreeing with you. Sergecross73 msg me 03:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. It was more my own thoughts about this then anything else. My apologies for that. NathanWubs (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, from my third opinion (and of course I can't write the story), Sergecross73 is right. I mean would you like every little sentence to be sourced to death? When it comes to story, that doesn't mean you have to detail how the story goes, or somehow the story has to come from a website just to avoid original research. Why not simplify the story and only add web reference if you're a dedicated editor. Anyway, I'm just offering my opinion. Think it over NathanWubs. Besides, wikia already has done it (as with certain sites), it's not always a sentence per source, but more of a balanced approach. Wikipedia is Wikipedia. Not Webopedia. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, its not my job to rewrite the story, because you feel like it. I did not wrote it in the first place. I removed it for the reasons that where giving by me. Why I understand now better that not everything needs to be sourced its better when it is. It can even be sourced directly to the game which has been done with many video games. And what is there to think what over? I am still puzzled by that message. If you want to have the story written then do it yourself. I do not have the time or interest to do so, and just like everyone else on wikipedia I am a volunteer. NathanWubs (talk) 11:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

That's a disappointment. Well, if that's how you feel, then sorry I asked. I just want it to resolve soon. You maybe a volunteer but I'm sure you're not just that. Anyway, to be on the safe side, I'll wait and if no-one else wants to do the story, than our conversation is pointless. Anyone reading this should offer their opinions as well. I'm not going to write the story as the story is already too overly complex to read. Unless you are a dedicated editor, don't make promises you can't keep. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, NathanWubs is neither experienced nor very active, so he probably wouldn't have been the best candidate for the job anyways. As for me, I haven't played the game yet, but plan on doing it someday, and as such, I don't really want to deal with the spoiler-side of writing the plot section for the game. I may someday, but not now. Best of luck in your efforts to rewrite it or find someone who will. You could always check and see if anyone at Wikiproject Video Games would assist you, by asking on their talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 18:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

That would be a good place to start. Sergecross73, if you're willing to help, that would be grateful. It's unfortunate that NathanWubs suddenly take out the story because of the need of web reference, instead of getting help which would've been the right thing to do. Anyway, I'll check on the link you provided for now. I'll try to keep the message simple. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Last Story/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AdrianGamer (talk · contribs) 13:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

• Initially released in Japan in 2011, and was released in western territories through 2012 - Can be rephrased to "Initially released in Japan in 2011, the game was released in western territories through 2012"
• The story focuses on a group of mercenaries looking for work on Lazulis. Zael, a member of the group, is branded with the mystical "Mark of the Outsider", and later becomes involved with a noblewoman named Calista in an ongoing war between humans and the beast-like Gorak. - Can break down into two different sentences. (easier to read)
• The gameplay features action, tactical and stealth elements, and supports online multiplayer. - Perhaps too light on gameplay. Can mention a bit more.
• More on the game's critical reception would be great as well
• The Last Story is an action role-playing game (RPG) - Don't need to mention "(RPG)" here. It should be ARPG actually.
• which can be switched to its default view using the Z button - What is a default third-person view? I don't think anything related to buttons should be mentioned.
• In addition to environments within missions - What is "environments within mission"?
• the party can pick up money and items from NPCs betting on the fight - You should change "NPCs" to defeated enemies, or non-playable characters.
• No button should be mentioned. How things are controlled are unimportant.
• The multiplayer was "free-for-all", and then they can group up with up to six players?
• Shinji Hatano shared their vision of a role-playing game that covered new gameplay territory - What exactly is the "new gameplay territory"?
• I would suggest dividing the long development section into multiple subheadings, though it was beyond the GA criteria
• the city hub began to come together in 2009 - "came together" feels a bit informal
• Gathering ended up generating an unwanted amount of chaos on the battlefield - should add "at first" before "ended up" (or is the system still generating unwanted chaos?)
• The development section was very neat. I can't find much problems with it. Nice job!
• Speaking with Eurogamer, - I personally don't think who the Nintendo representative talked to something important
• The European localization handled by Nintendo of Europe - should be a passive action
• This was confirmed by Matsumoto in a later interview, who added that he was severely disappointed by this decision and thought The Last Story would never make it to North America. - A bit strange to see the developer "confirming" what the publishing is saying. I think simply saying that he is disappointed is enough.
• Putting sales/accolades after critical reception will help readers to understand them better
• You should add a topic sentences before the reception paragraphs about story/gameplay/visuals. Something like "the game's story received mixed responses from critics" etc.
• MacDoland likewise praised the battle system - Who "MacDoland" is? The article does not mention who he is
• Multiple reviewers commented on the game's linear structure. - In what ways they commented on it? Positive or negative?

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Overall it is a very well-written and comprehensive article and can be an easy pass, though the lead needs some more work. I will put the article on hold for a week and when all the issues raised above are fixed, this should be good to go! AdrianGamer (talk) 10:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@AdrianGamer: I've attended to all the points you mentioned as best as I could. MacDoland is mentioned in the first paragraph of the reception section, it's just that IGN isn't linked there so it's less obvious (IGN was linked earlier in the article). As to splitting the development section up, I had considered it, but frankly I was tired of splitting things up in previous articles and it seemed to flow together easily enough. If I have a brainwave later, I could find a way to split it up. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:25, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

With all the issues fixed, the article is good to go! The Last Story is now a . Congratulations! AdrianGamer (talk) 11:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)