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Reign of the Supermen!

The first issue to be labelled as part of this arc is "Action Comics" 687. Who can refute that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatum-Tatum (talk • contribs) 20:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tatum-Tatum, look at the Amazon page for Reign of the Supermen. What do you see? AoS #500 is included in the collection. Please stop edit warring and editing against sources. JOE BRO 64 20:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have that book and the first issue to be reprinted in it's entirety is "Action Comics" 687. "Adventures" 500 was mostly published in the previous book, named after the previous arc. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained in my edit summary, AoS 500 is both the end of Funeral for a Friend and the beginning of Reign of the Supermen. The CBR source notes that it ends the sad part of the story (Funeral for a Friend) while leading into RotS. We shouldn't be editing against sources. JOE BRO 64 21:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stick to the covers. No source is more reliable than that. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, a secondary, reliable source trumps a primary source every time. JOE BRO 64 21:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If need be, I can provide numerous sources saying it begins in #500. But really, nothing is more reliable than a cover? C'mon... Argento Surfer (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tatum-Tatum: Also, why are you removing the source archives like this? Argento Surfer (talk) 21:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tatum-Tatum's been blocked for edit warring now. FWIW I think they just need to get a firm understanding of Wikipedia policies, like WP:OR and WP:STICKTOSOURCE. I had an issue with them like this earlier this year; they kept trying to change the details about Superman's redesign despite the fact their change contradicted the sources. I'm going to wait for just a little before restoring the previous revision, because I don't want to violate 3RR. JOE BRO 64 23:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The source says "Adventures" 500 had "four-page PREVIEWS". Is it clearly not the beginning of the arc. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tatum-Tatum, this is getting to the point of being disruptive. You are basing your entire argument on your own opinion, which is WP:OR. Furthermore, as Argento has pointed out and I have demonstrated, numerous reliable sources say it began with Adventures of Superman #500. Please stop. JOE BRO 64 21:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your own sources contradict your theory and the other person didn't even provide any. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 13:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which source is contradictory? I didn't provide any earlier because, honestly, I don't think you've made an argument compelling enough to spend my time on it. But, hey, why not? Here's an unreliable one showing that the collection includes #500. #500 was included in the factory sealed Return of Superman set. Here's a book. Plus, you know, all the ones already in the article. Do you have anything except the covers of the comics? Argento Surfer (talk) 13:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because you're biased. The trade paperback you mention, for example, reprints only the final few pages, the preview to the story. For the same reason (it features a preview) "Adventures" 500 is included in the set you mention. And a book? Please... On the other hand, "Wizard" magazine listed "Action" 687 as "part 1" and look here: https://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Reign_of_the_Supermen. Try to change that there if you can. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"And a book? Please... " I think we're done here. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The book is an adaptation. We are dealing with the comics. Also, I see you coulnd't say anything about the other sources I provided. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tatum-Tatum, you need to identify which issue of Wizard you are referring to, and Wikia is user-generated and thus unreliable. I think our best bet to end this silliness is just to compromise and clarify that it's a preview. How about something like The final story arc, "Reign of the Supermen!", began with a preview in The Adventures of Superman #500 that introduced the Supermen? This way it doesn't contradict the sources JOE BRO 64 21:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The issue was from April 1999 (#92). I am all for your suggestion. Tatum-Tatum (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great. I'll implement it (but'll use prologue instead of preview, per Argento below) once the protection's removed. Since we've come to agreement I'm pinging @Sergecross73, the protecting admin JOE BRO 64 23:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sergecross73: doesn't look like the ping was sent JOE BRO 64 23:28, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the first ping didn’t work. But anyways, I want to wait until Tatum confirms he agreees there’s a consensus too. Not that I doubt you, it’s just, looking over past discussions, it looks like Tatum has kept reverting even after there seemed to be an agreement on how to proceed. Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll stick to this agreement given "Adventures" 500 is left in "Funeral for a Friend" on the infobox. Ok? Tatum-Tatum (talk) 23:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. @Sergecross73 (hope I'm not bothering you with all these pings!) JOE BRO 64 23:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotected. (And you can ping me as much as you want, it doesn’t bother me.) Sergecross73 msg me 00:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I meant ONLY on the "Funeral for a Friend" infobox. I apologize if I didn't made that clear. You OK with that? Tatum-Tatum (talk) 01:28, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The book... is... an adaptation? Did you look at the link? Because I'm not talking about the novelization of the comic story, I'm talking about non-fiction book that covers this storyline. I didn't respond to Wizard because I haven't reviewed it. I didn't respond to the DC wikia link because I didn't think you were serious. Do you know how Wikipedia works?

I don't think there's a need for a compromise because I haven't seen a compelling argument, but it should be clear that #500 has a prologue, not a preview. "Preview" implies the material was an excerpt, which wasn't the case. Argento Surfer (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Day of Doom

Dan Jurgens wrote a companion miniseries call Day of Doom in 2003 as a companion piece. It retells the events from the PoV of a man on the street (I think - I haven't read it yet). This seems worth including, but I don't know much about it beyond existence at this point. Wizard covered it in their news section as an upcoming series, but that's all. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]