Talk:The Dark Fields

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Requested move 30 September 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Reasonable arguments in favour of both titles, but opinions are roughly split after almost a month at RM. Proposed title created as a redirect. Jenks24 (talk) 07:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Dark Fields → Limitless (novel) – Shall we rename it Limitless? Since the film adaptation, the publishers decided to rename it Limitless to attract readers more. George Ho (talk) 05:50, 30 September 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable enough but it will require a lede rewrite and new cover artwork. There may be justification for keeping the old cover as a non-free image though that use will need a good rationale. ww2censor (talk) 10:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would favor listing a book under its original title and adding redirects from later titles. But does the wikiproject have guidelines on this? What do we find at Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and Blade Runner (disambiguation)? Pelagic (talk) 02:15, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCB doesn't discuss which title should be for books first published in English, but it discusses non-English books. I did similar discussion on The Birds and Other Stories. --George Ho (talk) 05:31, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if there was a standard guideline that we could follow, but it seems that each case is different. The Birds and Other Stories was published 7 times under that name and once each under two earlier names. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? lived under that name from 1968 'til at least 1982. The Birds and Other Stories was an anthology, and short stories are often published in multiple collections with different names. I'd like to think that, for a novel, the original name reflected the author's intent (though in reality it might have more to do with what the publisher thinks will sell?). The credits for the movie Blade Runner prominently said "Based on the novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Phillip K. Dick", promoting awareness of the original title. And The Dark Fields/Limitless? I guess it falls somewhere in between.

I'm glad that the infobox for The Birds and Other Stories has kept the original cover art from The Apple Tree. It troubles me what ww2censor wrote about it being hard to keep the original cover art after a move of this article.

(Sorry for the long reply; I'm just thinking about the different factors involved.)

Pelagic (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a note about this RM at the novels project. Jenks24 (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: WP:AT#Name changes would apply here. We would want to look at sources since the name change from The Dark Fields to Limitless (around 2011 onward) to see what sources tend to use since that threshold. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here are this year's articles, Erik: (Limitless) Hollywood Reporter, NPR, Deadline; (The Dark Fields) Daily Mail, Sydney Morning Herald, EW, The Verge, Grantland, Comic Book Resources. George Ho (talk) 22:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
George Ho, thanks for listing these sources! Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per sources listed above. It looks like the title The Dark Fields is still being referenced in recent sources. I would rather see the vast majority of sources adopt the new title before renaming the Wikipedia article. I am okay with this article's current approach of mentioning the republished title, but I wouldn't mind it being moved up to the opening sentence for immediate clarification. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.